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The entire legal system is an illegitimate joke. It has demonstrated that completely ineffective against the criminal. The only thing it’s good at is extracting money ftom and crushing the peaceful (won’t say law abiding) people. While it’s threat of violence is real, it’s “authority” is not.
 
I find myself in a position of agreement, too verbose and lengthy, I ain't reading all that crap.......
Make it easy:
No rulemaker means no rules
No rules means NO rules. Therefore spare me your tears and indignation and declarations that evil men "deserve" this or that. The concepts of "deserve" and "evil" are as meaningless as a camel fart.

My encouragement to those who tell me that this stuff is "too difficult" to understand is to grow up, strap on a set of balls, and face a universe where there simply are no rules whatsoever, and the concepts of "justice" and "right" and "moral" are idiotic, stupid, and absurd. There is only power, and no rules whatsoever on how it is exercised. Those who reject any idea of a personal God and claim to cling to concepts of good, right, justice and morality are simple minded, shallow thinking, cowards, or a combo of the three.
 
I find myself in a position of agreement, too verbose and lengthy, I ain't reading all that crap.......

Yet again I am in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with you.


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I'm in quality management in a health-related field. I don't care how much I like you, if you're a danger, I will investigate and quite possibly recommend you be removed from your job. I've been involved in the termination of people above, below, and at my level. and i'm not even 2 years in at this company. I need a job, and I need to satisfy my own ethics at the end of the day - please don't interfere with either one of those.
Just today I had a talk with one of our nurses and suggested that if I ever went around her and did XYZ and couldn't 100% back up why, she should report me so that I could agree with her complaint and get myself in trouble. I don't even really like her that much. But she has her role and I have mine.
One place I worked had a big white board in a general hall to write employee names when they had made a mistake and needed to come discuss it with quality. I usually caught my own mistakes, notified other quality team members, and then went and wrote my own name up on the board. I clearly could have skipped that step since I had already identified and acknowledged my error and took the appropriate corrective actions. My errors were usually found and discovered in seconds. I left my own name on the board until we were about to become "late" on documenting corrective actions because I know I'm not perfect and I refuse to hide my mistakes. I'll take the swat on the nose and be the first to tell people about my own mistakes so that they can avoid them.

So when people call me "the police" at work, I sometimes get offended. I get it though.
And that’s why you’re the Dr. Scary Guy :D
 
All excellent points you've made here. I ask: aren't we all just machines making up the cosmos?

if we were, the idea of indignation for one machine ending the function of another machine would be ludicrous. Instead, we ALL affirm that there is right, and good and nobility and virtue, as well as evil, wickedness and attitudes/activities which are deserving of contempt or punishment. For a man who believes in God, this is reasonable. The man who rejects God and yet still says "I am moral without God" THINKS he is making an argument, if he thinks much at all. Instead he is merely repeating irrational nonsense, claiming to be an upholder of rules which do not exist, and declaring this to be a virtue in a world where virtue does not exist.
This is one of the most telling arguments for the existence of God. I.e. we MUST live as if God exists and created a moral universe, even while we may (irrationally) deny His existence. Men gleefully lie to themselves here, mostly because the thought of facing a judge is distasteful to them.

Including the animals? Change a couple electrons and neutrons and the carbon that makes us is still the same carbon that makes that steel from which the guillotine and firearm are crafted.

If the essence of our being is merely physical, this is true. That is the question at issue, though. I deny your base assertion.

Here's my abstract. Way out there. So people think something is bad that man has come up with.

Guns, internal combustion engines, nuclear power/weapons, the whatever. It's "unnatural". What if grizzly bears worked out nuclear fusion. Would humanity then accept that as natural?

Begs the question. Why should the concept of "unnatural" be a MORAL category? Also, people do "unnatural" acts that people praise as selfless and honorable, as well. That explanation fails, and pretty spectacularly.
 
Make it easy:
No rulemaker means no rules
No rules means NO rules. Therefore spare me your tears and indignation and declarations that evil men "deserve" this or that. The concepts of "deserve" and "evil" are as meaningless as a camel fart.

My encouragement to those who tell me that this stuff is "too difficult" to understand is to grow up, strap on a set of balls, and face a universe where there simply are no rules whatsoever, and the concepts of "justice" and "right" and "moral" are idiotic, stupid, and absurd. There is only power, and no rules whatsoever on how it is exercised. Those who reject any idea of a personal God and claim to cling to concepts of good, right, justice and morality are simple minded, shallow thinking, cowards, or a combo of the three.

I didn't say I didn't understand or agree, what I said was I'm tired of reading your lengthy posts only to arrive at the same conclusion as before....
Time wasted, nothing new gained, net loss.....
 
Make it easy:
No rulemaker means no rules
No rules means NO rules. Therefore spare me your tears and indignation and declarations that evil men "deserve" this or that. The concepts of "deserve" and "evil" are as meaningless as a camel fart.

My encouragement to those who tell me that this stuff is "too difficult" to understand is to grow up, strap on a set of balls, and face a universe where there simply are no rules whatsoever, and the concepts of "justice" and "right" and "moral" are idiotic, stupid, and absurd. There is only power, and no rules whatsoever on how it is exercised. Those who reject any idea of a personal God and claim to cling to concepts of good, right, justice and morality are simple minded, shallow thinking, cowards, or a combo of the three.
I love it. I see you tried to be concise and made a good start but the effort became too much to sustain in the second paragraph and reverted to your standard blah blah.
 
I didn't say I didn't understand or agree, what I said was I'm tired of reading your lengthy posts only to arrive at the same conclusion as before....
Time wasted, nothing new gained, net loss.....

Understood. First rule of internet discussion: You are NEVER, or almost never, replying to the party posting. Nor are you replying to those who already agree. You are replying to people watching who, if they bother to read, may say " hmmmmm, never thought of that before."

If there is ever someone who deserves to be mocked for long harrangues, it is me ;)

Carry on
 
Those who reject any idea of a personal God and claim to cling to concepts of good, right, justice and morality are simple minded, shallow thinking, cowards, or a combo of the three.
Just have to say, seems a little odd of a statement coming from a Heinlein fan.

Ayn Rand laid out some good arguments, others have too. I don't really have the time to engage in this discussion right now, but you basically just called me a cowardly simple-minded shallow thinker. I say you should consider that if you're rejecting out-of-hand that someone could rational reach a system of morality without a deity because you don't see a path from A to B, it might possibly be you who is thinking shallowly?
 
What a great movie... Highly underrated...
watched it this weekend for the 1st time. Reminded me of Monty Python. Had me in stitches. The scene where Cleese is in his house with JL Curtis and her lover enters and then Cleese's wife comes in was pure gold. Thanks to you and @NKD for that rec.
 
watched it this weekend for the 1st time. Reminded me of Monty Python. Had me in stitches. The scene where Cleese is in his house with JL Curtis and her lover enters and then Cleese's wife comes in was pure gold. Thanks to you and @NKD for that rec.

Man, I remember when I first saw that scene. I laughed so hard my stomach hurt. I love the Otto character, too.

Glad you enjoyed it.
 
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