1911 School: Slam firing and Burst firing.

John Travis

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Since the subject of slam firing has been in the headlines recently, I thought I'd touch on the subject. I've corrected the issue in several pistols over the years, and learned a few things about it in the process.

First...slam firing doesn't happen unless the hammer falls in the same way as it does when the trigger is pulled.

About 20 years ago, I got a call one Friday afternoon from a young guy who was experiencing hammer follow problems with his Springfield Mil Spec. Cock the pistol and pull the trigger...and the hammer followed the slide all the way down every time. I pretty much knew what it was and told him to bring it by the next morning. The disconnect wasn't disconnecting.

Thinking it was either a worn disconnect or a spec issue with the center rail, I didn't suspect the real problem until he showed up...and there it was. The top of the disconnect sat dead flush with the top of the frame. Then, he admitted something.

He'd read on the internet that a man could convert a 1911 pistol to fire full auto by simply filing the disconnect...and it didn't work. He was stuck with a single shot pistol and wanted it to function normally. I replaced te disconnect and all was well. After a short lecture on the illegalities of attempting to create a machine gun, he was on his way.

So, a simple hammer followdown can't cause burst or full auto fire. The hammer has to hold at full cock and then trip. Riding down with the slide doesn't provide enough impact energy to the firing pin to light a primer in a gun that doesn't have a seriously weak firing pin spring or an overly long firing pin, and even then it probably won't.

So, how does it happen?

In every instance that's come to my bench, the cause was a failure of the sear to freely reset with the sear staging on the very tips of the hammer hooks so that the slide going to battery caused the hammer to jar off the sear crown. Because the sear wasn't resetting, the half cock didn't catch it, and the result ranged from a single slam fire to 2 or 3 shot bursts to emptying the magazine. At some 1300 RPMs, 7 or 8 rounds is gone before the surprised shooter can get off the trigger and sometimes even that doesn't stop it.

During such an event, the pistol isn't too difficult to control if the shooter is expecting it. When it comes as a surprise, Everything after the first two rounds goes over the berm.

The causes of the sear failing to reset vary. It can be the trigger dragging in the channel or the top of the disconnect dragging on the bottoms of the sear feet to simply a piece of grit becoming trapped between the frame and the side of the sear. The last one is admittedly pretty rare, but it does explain a pistol that slam fires once and never does it again.

This is the reason that I'm adamant in my advice to never ignore any problem with the fire control group. If it happens one time, get it checked out. Then, retest by loading and firing two rounds at a time until you're satisfied that the gun is fixed.
 
A very interesting topic, thank you for explaining this and what is happening with the fire control group. What should one look for while cleaning and servicing a 1911. I am still a bit of a newbie but love my Springfield RO. Thanks again for your insight.
 
What should one look for while cleaning and servicing a 1911.
Your first indication of a lazy sear will be an extremely light trigger pull on the first round after a slidelock reload. Another one would be if the trigger action changes...gets lighter...for no apparent reason. Hammer follow can also be a red flag...whether the half cock catches it or not...whether it burst fires or not.

If you run the gun hard, I strongly recommend an annual detail strip for small parts examination and deep cleaning. Since your Springfield doesn't have a passive firing pin safety like the Series 80 or Swartz system, detail stripping isn't at all complicated and easy to learn.
 
Gunsmith friend who has been building target guns for decades said his very first trigger job was a 5 shot slam fire full auto. Last shot almost went thru the bill of his ball cap.

He says you won’t believe how fast a 1911 can rip off 5 rounds . . .

Luckily he was in a farm field in TX at the time.
 
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He says you won’t believe how fast a 1911 can rip off 5 rounds
Oh, yes I would. *grin*

A friend of mine took a crack at his first trigger job and was happy with the results. I invited him to come down to PHA with me so I could check it out, and while it was a bit ticklish for my tastes, he apparently did a good job as the pistol functioned perfectly...until all of a sudden, it didn't.
It would fire a 3-shot burst and stop. Every time. He was upset, and I couldn't help having a little fun with him.

I told him: "Oh, man! You know this is way too cool to fix!

On your friend's trigger job gone wrong, I'd about bet even money that he changed the sear, the disconnect, or both, and didn't check to make sure there was enough clearance between the top of the disconnect spade and the bottoms of the sear feet with the disconnect in the disconncted position...maybe along with a light burr or rough spot on the feet.

It's the little things that getcha.
 
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Thank you for this breakdown. Two things you mentioned struck me reading it that I had never considered. First, I always assumed that the reason 1911's slam fire is that the trigger no longer connects with the other fire control components and the hammer follows the slide every round. But, I see what you are saying that the hammer would have to stay back long enough for the slide to get out of the way so that it has enough energy to fully strike the firing pin. Second, I never understood why people can't grip their way through a slam fire. I am certainly not death gripping my pistol every time I fire a round, and the time it would take to realize a runaway is taking place and start gripping harder is about how long the whole event lasts.
 
I never understood why people can't grip their way through a slam fire.
If you have a firm, two hand grip on the gun the way you would if you're practicing fast doubles, it's not too hard, but it will climb up and to the right. If you're casually slow firing, it can get away from you pretty quickly...and can empty the magazine inside your reaction time. One handed...taken by surprise...fuggedabouddit.
 
I consider John Travis a Professor, the same for Battery Oaks Billy and Michael458.
 
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