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**UPDATE** scroll down to post #21 for the update. 2/12/24

So I'm looking at a project truck, an 80s K square body bow tie with less than 10K original miles. The current owner bought it from a guy in Missouri in 2020-2021 (Truck is originally from Norfolk) where it is titled but never titled it himself in NC/SC. The Missouri title is not signed by the current owner and is "open." The current owner has a BOS from the Missouri owner to go with the Missouri Title. I do not know the Missouri owner.

Would anyone be willing to offer next step advice? I have no experience in titling. The DMV has been useless and says to check out the website. My issue is that the current owner never titled it so how should I proceed. I know the DMV has the title application, BOS, and damage statement.

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ok. Thank you. That is what I was hoping to do but far from certain I could.
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In the states eyes, the vehicle must be titled by the current owner, then transferred to you, doing anything else is considered "jumping title" and is illegal as the man don't get his cut. The least they know the better. Go to a small tag office in a rural area, got a better chance of the people being nice and not asking questions.
 
hp468 said:
In the states eyes, the vehicle must be titled by the current owner, then transferred to you, doing anything else is considered "jumping title" and is illegal as the man don't get his cut. The least they know the better. Go to a small tag office in a rural area, got a better chance of the people being nice and not asking questions.
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ahh ok so it there could be an issue. Thanks. The way they are closing the offices around here that's likely to happen. The last time I drove by the Greenville office on the way to the hospital there was a like 20+ deep outside in line.
 
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ahh ok so it there could be an issue. Thanks. The way they are closing the offices around here that's likely to happen. The last time I drove by the Greenville office on the way to the hospital there was a like 20+ deep outside in line.
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I avoid these situations like the plague for my own peace of mind but people do it all the time these days. The out of state part adds an element that i'm not familiar with but if there are no notary requirements on the title I doubt there would be an issue.

This is the way most of these marketplace/craigslist flippers operate, leave the title open and they skirt paying title fee, HUT, and property taxes. That can be a pretty decent chunk of profit loss if they operated "legal."

I've had nothing but attitude and bad experiences at the DMVs in Fayetteville. I drive to Dunn for anything title or tag related stuff I need. Nice and helpful people there.
 
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Angier NC tag office worth a try. Small town, easy going, knowledgeable, and usually not busy.
 
hp468 said:
I avoid these situations like the plague for my own peace of mind but people do it all the time these days. The out of state part adds an element that i'm not familiar with but if there are no notary requirements on the title I doubt there would be an issue.

This is the way most of these marketplace/craigslist flippers operate, leave the title open and they skirt paying title fee, HUT, and property taxes. That can be a pretty decent chunk of profit loss if they operated "legal."

I've had nothing but attitude and bad experiences at the DMVs in Fayetteville. I drive to Dunn for anything title or tag related stuff I need. Nice and helpful people there.
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Thank you for the help. I've been in open coms with the owner for 2 weeks now so I feel more than good it is legit and not nefarious. I would prefer he had a NC or SC title (he lives in SC and parents in NC {where the truck is}). My only issue is needing the title/tags before a trip in mid April so I'm not sure there would be enough time for the current owner to get tags and then myself in NC.
 
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Thank you for the help. I've been in oepn coms with the owner for 2 weeks now so I feel more than good it is legit and not nefarious. I would prefer he had a NC or SC title (he lives in SC and parents in NC {where the truck is}). My only issue is needing the title/tags before a trip in mid April so I'm not sure there would be enough time for the current owner to get tags and then myself in NC.
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Post pics when shes home.
 
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Post pics when shes home.
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Will do. Thank you for the help. I'm a bit cagey right now with the exact description as it is still open for sale. It spent 20 years in a warehouse at 2k miles before the current owner. Driving up next Sunday to check it out F2F. A few bugs from sitting for so long need to be worked out. Its a survivor for these normally rust bucket bowties (I'm a ford guy lol).
 
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I will never, ever, buy another vehicle without a clean, clear title. I don't care how attractive it is, I won’t brook the aggravation. I hope yours slips through, sounds like a nice squarebody.
 
Red Marley said:
I will never, ever, buy another vehicle without a clean, clear title. I don't care how attractive it is, I won’t brook the aggravation. I hope yours slips through, sounds like a nice squarebody.
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I made the mistake of once selling a somewhat collectable Mustang on an open title when I didn’t know better. I thought everything was on the up and up.

It came back to haunt me a year later. As far as the state was concerned I was still the owner of record, and I had no idea. An out of state specialty dealer now wanted the car, the seller had lost the title, and that seller was not who bought the Cobra from me. It was a clusterfrack.

I got it straightened out, but not before I got a letter from an attorney, that I did not see coming, and had to corral the buyer, and the buyer’s buyer who lost the damn title, and made them both drive two hours to meet me at DMV and get the title transferred properly.

As you stated, never again. Buying or selling.
 
It ought not to be that way, but I have accepted that it is, and I can’t fight it. Not meaning to hijack this thread but sometime I will tell you about trying to register a BSA Gold Star in a Dick Mann frame with no frame numbers. Long story short, I no longer have the bike but I still have the number punches 😉. Or the untitled boat trailer from SC (a more enlightened state)…
 
Red Marley said:
It ought not to be that way, but I have accepted that it is, and I can’t fight it. Not meaning to hijack this thread but sometime I will tell you about trying to register a BSA Gold Star in a Dick Mann frame with no frame numbers. Long story short, I no longer have the bike but I still have the number punches 😉. Or the untitled boat trailer from SC (a more enlightened state)…
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All lost title trailers in NC wind up being home made, dontchaknow? lol
 
Don't do it - there's too many ways this could turn out badly after you've laid out your money, and most of those are out of your control. Seller is asking you to take all the risk.
 
Truck bought and Titled in NC successfully. I took it to a small DMV office and the woman had no problems with it. I didn't need a bill of sale, just the damage waver which I sign not the previous owner.

Thanks for all the advice yall it all was taken very seriously, and I ended up talking to a lawyer friend. Being in a time crunch (trip is April) kind of kicked things along faster than normal.

Here she is. 1984 Chevy CUCV 1010 D30 Military Ambulance. 4,300 miles (not sure idling time), zero body rust but some surface rust underneath that's run of the mill. It's the big K-5 Blazer size. Lineage is that it was a Navy ambulance in Norfolk that was transferred to a fire department in Illinois just outside of St. Louis. It spent 20 years as unit dedicated to the Friday night football game duty and stored inside. The guy I bought it from gutted it to make a 4x4 camper to tow his rock crawler. It is halfway through being built out. He put tongue-n-groove all over the inside and sheep's wool insulation which stinks to high heavens which I'm pulling both out. He also added windows with screens, and a lift and it sits on 35's. He also had a sink, water tank, pump, full speaker setup, 2 brand new alternators to convert the 24v system to 12v and added 250w of solar into an AGM battery. He gutted the cab interior, added in 2 layers of dynomat insulation/sound deadening and had the foam in the seats replaced. The original vinyl covers are good still, nice and soft.

Current issue is that it will not start on the 6.2 Detroit. It's sat for a year at his parents and didn't get used so I've just begun to diagnose it. This helped negotiate the deal as it did run prior to sitting. He delivered it from Denver, NC to Greenville, NC here.

My plan is to gut the tongue n grove, build 2 fold down bunks, a sink with 15-25gallons of water, a work station, and a small head. The front will get a fishing basket and the back I'm going to build a deck to hold coolers, though it may take a year to build it all out. The truck was all white (FD painted it white from all camo) when he got it and he rattle canned it tan that is starting to flake so eventually it will need a proper paint job.

If anyone knows of a scrap yard that sells angle iron, tubing etc I'm around Greenville NC. The two around town don't want to be bothered. They just want to buy.

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Holy smokes that thing is awesome. Glad it worked out.
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Current issue is that it will not start on the 6.2 Detroit
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New glow plugs are a must for easy starts and perhaps a new starter. Sounds like that battery set up should give plenty of juice for that 6.2.
Love a detroit diesel.
 
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Holy smokes that thing is awesome. Glad it worked out.

New glow plugs are a must for easy starts and perhaps a new starter. Sounds like that battery set up should give plenty of juice for that 6.2.
Love a detroit diesel.
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Thanks,

The fuel was crap, like thin maple syrup from sitting so I've sucked it out. I was told the batteries were a year old but I'm somewhat questioning that. It's not going to be a race car but the previous owner does know of a banks turbo kit forsale that could be added at a later date and wouldn't blow it up.

Currently doing the following:
-ripped out the old style bread pan fuel filter (found it was cracked) and installed a new spin on fuel filter with primer bulb and clear water bowl/drain and working on the hoses
-adding a one-way valve just before the filter to aid in the prevention of losing prime when swapping filters
-new rubber fuel lines under the hood (in progress)
-new glow plugs (in progress)
-Gutting the cabin in the back.
-have a new mechanical fuel pump to install
-hoping I don't need the injector pump rebuilt (I think the main problem was crap fuel)
-All new fluids

I was hoping to get it running tomorrow but I need more fuel hose.

I need to make steps as I'm too short to get in... the bottom of the windshield is at my eyeballs ~5ft.
 
An update. The back box is finally gutted. I gained 2" in height and 4 inches in width. The box is now 65" high by 75" wide by 108" and I'm 65" tall lol. The previous owner that installed the tounge-n-grove used 1x2" pressure treated screw strips in the box and used pin nails.......... 2 different torx screws........ and glued it all together with construction adhesive. I'm pretty sure all my neighbors are glad it is out after the cussing I was giving out trying to remove this stuff. It wasn't going to squeak on bit. The sheep's wool insulation is also out and the truck no longer smells like a piss soaked barn. I'm now cleaning and checking for leaks.

As far as the engine... Death by $20 bills. The injector pump is stuck due to sitting/varnishing ($850 rebuild, fingers crossed). I removed it today and will send off for rebuild. While I have the engine nearly apart, it is getting new rubber hoses all around, new injectors, new T-stat, temp gauge, and harmonic damper. The engine only has 4,300 miles but it has 40 years of sitting. Alot of preventative maintenance and it seems like E-V-E-R-Y part is $18-22. Did I mention I'm now on a first name basis with the auto parts guy.

All said despite the issues and not being a mechanic by trade, I'm learning a lot, youtube is my friend, and its getting there. Its like when I was hiking steep trails on the AT or out in New Mexico and it was kicking my butt when I was young ... Start counting 99 beers on the wall and keep going. With this project, I'm counting but now stealing a sip or two lol.

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Well it is alive!! almost.

So the diesel shop in Wisconsin which was awesome with great service rebuilt the injection pump for me. It turns out the guy said the PO had used biodiesel (corn oil or something like that) which is corrosive and ate the rotor head of the pump so there was a lot of replacements parts needed. He also said I should check/replace my tank, injectors, and lines as they are likely damaged as well. I pulled the tank and it was bad, soft in spots and had a 1/2" of sluge that bill cosby would be proud of it was gunky. I had to get a new tank, sender, and 3 sizes of tubing to replace roached out hard lines. I pulled the injectors and shops wanted $90 to just test the injectors or just under $300 for 8 new with return line and install socket.

During the past 10 days I was able to get injection pump, hard lines, injectors, intake manifold etc all installed back and lines purged. I primed the fuel lines and it fired right up on the first try (after priming) what a high but then I stepped on the brakes to put it in gear and the power steering pump (it assists the brakes) made an awful metal on metal noise... The PS pump is shot.

In the back I've been installing 1" EPS foam insulation slowly as time has allowed. The ceiling got the foam and then instead of plywood, I put up corrugated plastic, one to avoid splinters in my head (I'm 5' 4.75" tall and the ceiling is 5' 5") and two to keep the weight down. Price wise it was between 5mm plywood (not including paint) and FRP so it seemed like the best give and take.

Anyone want some puddin'? bottom of the pickup for the sender.
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Ceiling. the blue tape is to mark the exhaust fan location to be cut out.
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Dang, that tank was nasty
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Yes it was. I bought a cheap-o 12v pump to try and drain the 10g of fresh diesel I added (to lighten the take before dropping it) and after 2-3 minutes it started pumping the goo through and then quit. Insert "it was at this moment he knew he was in trouble". We finished sucking the tank out with a manual $7 harbor freight siphon pump through the filler neck. As we were pulling the sender out of the tank it was so stuck we thought we missed something and then it slowly gave way and came out. I'd say it had the consistency of mixed J-B weld. That cheap pump did impress me after seeing the gunk. It gave it the college try for sure.
 
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Holy smokes. That looks like homebrew fryer oil diesel. Some people will ruin anything to save a buck.
Awesome you got it running and have all new fueling.
 
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