22PRL League Dec 9th

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Registration is for the December 9th 22PRL Match. This is for 22LR only. NO other calibers allowed. There are two divisions. Open class and Tactical Class.
All 22LR Precision Rifle League Matches will have targets engaged out to 300 yards. Whether it’s a team event or an individual event, everyone should have optics on their firearm.


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I'd shoot this one but the NSSF match is at DPRC the same day and I'm ROing for it.
 
And a good time was had by all!
 
This match was awesome and this series is awesome. And I say that for a bunch of reasons. First, FLD is an awesome facility with awesome staff. Second, Paul and staff put a lot of thought and effort into his matches and stages and it makes it very challenging and fun. Third, you get to check out rigs and equipment of all types. Fourth, you get to hang around with, listen to and learn from, some damn fine shooters from all over the mid-atlantic region. I learn something valuable every match. Fifth, these matches generally mimic the centerfire long range matches, so it is a cheap way to work on those skills or work your way up to a big match. The total cost of this match is $30 entry fee and whatever 100 rounds of your favorite .22 ammo costs. And lastly, the environment is fun for everyone, including newcomers and beginners. Everybody is good natured and joking around and helping the new shooters where possible.

As for the actual courses of fire, this match had a little of everything. You had to shoot from the barricade, changing positions each 2 shots. You had to shoot off barrels in 3 different configurations. You had to shoot off a truck, over a truck, through a truck and out of a truck. There was a spinner rack with targets ranging from 2 inches to 1/4 inch. We shot standing unsupported. We shot kneeling unsupported. We shot sitting unsupported. We got down in the dirt and mud and shot prone. We shot in the wind, we shot in the rain and if it had started snowing 30 minutes sooner, we would have shot in that too. We shot targets from 30" to 1/4" at ranges from 50 - 375 yards. I highly recommend shooting Long Range Precision Rimfire matches and FLD puts on great ones.
 
That model there worked really well. If you hit it, you knew you hit it. If you got just the stem, you knew that too.
 
Currently, there are no gear restrictions to speak of, so you can technically bring whatever bags you want to use. But I generally only bring a small rear bag and a Chinese cheater. Getting stable quickly is not easy. When you are unstable and can't seem to settle it down on target, that 90 seconds goes very fast.
 
Exile_D said:
Wow, that looks like it would be a lot of fun! Unfortunately I haven't even shot my 10/22 past 25 yards. I can't imagine trying to hit something at 375!! :eek:
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We actually shoot them out to 500 yards at FLD for giggles. Some folks have gone further, but 500 is my limit because I have no more reticle to work with after that.
 
East of Here said:
Currently, there are no gear restrictions to speak of, so you can technically bring whatever bags you want to use. But I generally only bring a small rear bag and a Chinese cheater. Getting stable quickly is not easy. When you are unstable and can't seem to settle it down on target, that 90 seconds goes very fast.
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I had to go google Chinese Cheater. Interesting item, but it would seem you better have that scope on well!
Armageddon Gear has one: http://www.armageddongear.com/Chinese-Cheater-Bag_p_106.html
BTW, the video for that is hilarious and probably going to get them sued. ;)

East of Here said:
We actually shoot them out to 500 yards at FLD for giggles. Some folks have gone further, but 500 is my limit because I have no more reticle to work with after that.
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Wow, how much is a .22lr round dropping at that point?!
 
Exile_D said:
I had to go google Chinese Cheater. Interesting item, but it would seem you better have that scope on well!
Armageddon Gear has one: http://www.armageddongear.com/Chinese-Cheater-Bag_p_106.html
BTW, the video for that is hilarious and probably going to get them sued. ;)
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Yes, the video is classic, but not exactly PC. I do not strap anything over my scope or over my barrel, but some people do. I will strap my small bag over(or under) my bipod legs and will sometimes strap the cheater over the stock. But mainly, I use the cheater under my arm for support or to fill a bigger space under the stock, like when shooting kneeling. But my strategies are still developing and will change as I gain more experience, I am sure.

Exile_D said:
Wow, how much is a .22lr round dropping at that point?!
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Setup notwithstanding (I run a 25 MOA rail, a 1.5" sight height and a 50 yard zero), it really depends on what ammo you are shooting. With something like Federal HV Match or a hot lot of Fed Auto Match, I am looking at a drop in the 40 foot range from zero with my rifle. If I am shooting a Standard Velocity round, I am looking at something closer to 50 feet from zero. Getting the windage right is the real trick at that distance. The rate of consistency of hits is dramatically lower at 500 than at 400 even in calm conditions.
 
East of Here said:
Setup notwithstanding (I run a 25 MOA rail, a 1.5" sight height and a 50 yard zero), it really depends on what ammo you are shooting. With something like Federal HV Match or a hot lot of Fed Auto Match, I am looking at a drop in the 40 foot range from zero with my rifle. If I am shooting a Standard Velocity round, I am looking at something closer to 50 feet from zero. Getting the windage right is the real trick at that distance. The rate of consistency of hits is dramatically lower at 500 than at 400 even in calm conditions.
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I ran my numbers off CC SV being that high velocity ammo doesn't group well for my CZ. I can't remember exactly where my rifle is zero'd but I think I have like 16 mils up and 10 mils in the reticle which gets me to around 425 yds. I'd have to swap to high velocity to get past that.
 
Gear Head said:
I ran my numbers off CC SV being that high velocity ammo doesn't group well for my CZ. I can't remember exactly where my rifle is zero'd but I think I have like 16 mils up and 10 mils in the reticle which gets me to around 425 yds. I'd have to swap to high velocity to get past that.
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I have found a few faster rounds that grouped pretty decently in my CZ455 at 50/100, however it does prefer standard velocity ammo. But at the extreme distances, I have found that the extra speed helps. I have observed that sometimes, a slower round that groups extremely well at short range goes off the reservation at distance; while sometime a faster round that does not group as well at short range seems to retain its stability at the longer distances. I do not profess to know or understand the physics behind it all. I had a local rimfire savant try to explain it to me once, and he started explaining how the ballistic coefficient for .22LR changes over time and distance, worm holes, space/time continuums, e-mc2, disturbances in the force, etc., etc. and I didn't understand a word he said. All I know is that for some reason, what shoots best at 50 does not always shoot best at 500 and vice versa.
 
East of Here said:
I have found a few faster rounds that grouped pretty decently in my CZ455 at 50/100, however it does prefer standard velocity ammo. But at the extreme distances, I have found that the extra speed helps. I have observed that sometimes, a slower round that groups extremely well at short range goes off the reservation at distance; while sometime a faster round that does not group as well at short range seems to retain its stability at the longer distances. I do not profess to know or understand the physics behind it all. I had a local rimfire savant try to explain it to me once, and he started explaining how the ballistic coefficient for .22LR changes over time and distance, worm holes, space/time continuums, e-mc2, disturbances in the force, etc., etc. and I didn't understand a word he said. All I know is that for some reason, what shoots best at 50 does not always shoot best at 500 and vice versa.
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I was somewhere down the rabbit hole on RFC a while back and saw posts regarding this as well. Basically you can't rely on a good shooting round at 25-50 yards to perform similarly at 100+ and vice versa.

I am spending a small fortune trying to figure out what my basic 10/22 likes at 25, I can't imagine having to test at 50, 75, 100, etc. etc. lol! :p
 
Exile_D said:
I am spending a small fortune trying to figure out what my basic 10/22 likes at 25, I can't imagine having to test at 50, 75, 100, etc. etc. lol! :p
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Well, just remember that once you finally get that all figured out, it'll promptly change dramatically when the temperature changes.
 
East of Here said:
Well, just remember that once you finally get that all figured out, it'll promptly change dramatically when the temperature changes.
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Son of a motherless goat.
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There is a bit of everything being used. There were Athlons (Talos, Argos and Helos). There were Vortex Vipers (HS and PST) and a Razor or two. I know there was also a couple of Nightforces and at least one Primary Arms. Obviously, there are advantages to better optics - but that is not really why people run Nightforce or Razors in these matches. Those guys running Nightforces and Razors are serious centerfire competitors and are setting up their rimfire rifles as trainers and want them to mimic their centerfire rifles exactly or at least as much as possible - including the optics. However, because you are only going out to 300 (and occasionally 400), you really do not have to have a $1000 optic. As long as it is at least 10X or so, and has tactical turrets and tracks well, it'll get the job done. Obviously, if you have a variable magnification scope, first focal plane is preferable, but it is not necessary at these ranges. The only issue with second focal plane scopes is less field of view and holdovers at different magnifications.
 
Gear Head said:
I have an athlon Argos btr 6-24x50. It's ffp, has a nice Christmas tree reticle, lifetime warranty, and only $360. Turrets are a little mushy but at this price I can live with it. I actually have 2 of them.
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Most folks cure (or at least improve) the mushiness by cleaning out the excess Vaseline/grease in the turrets or replacing it altogether with a lighter grease. Y0ur results may vary.
 
I am currently running an Athlon Helos, FFP with a Christmas tree reticle. I really like the scope and reticle. The glass is very clear, the clicks are crisp and it tracks amazingly well. My only gripe is that it lacks a hard zero stop or any way to redneck one out of composite washers or shims (like you can do with Primary Arms scopes). I was gonna buy the Argos, but I went to buy it online while I was hopped up on Oxycodones following jaw surgery and my drugged self talked my rational self into upgrading to the Helos.
 
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