30 people taken into custody by ICE agents during raid at Sanford manufacturing company

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  1. Amp Mangum

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    Bear Creek supplies parts to some of the other bargain manufacturers. Will be interesting to see if this affects prices or availability of the low end AR market.
     
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    Will be interesting to see how this plays out. From everything I have seen, in recent years their stuff had started to get a bit better in quality. I never dipped into the Bear Creek parts bin myself.
     
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    You may have without knowing it. :)
     
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    Quite possible, most my stuff is PSA, so if PSA was rebranding their stuff, or sourcing things from there, that's cool. Which could explain why I have this urge to Mexican food whenever I leave the range...
     
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    Our family furniture factory was raided once while I was there. It was an amazing scene with workers running around and trying to hide themselves inside cabinets. The factory was in the LA area and the joke was that deportees could beat the busses back to LA from Tijuana. As I remember it, most of them were back at work a few days later.
     
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    rdinatal Better late then never...

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    I saw the title and my first thought was Coty or one of the chicken processing plants.
     
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    I saw the title and said "it'd be funny if it was Bear Creek." Opened the thread and "well I'll be damned...."
     
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    The employers of these illegals should also be led away in handcuffs.
     
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    This would be moore machine, right?
     
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    Yep.
     
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    quality overall will likely improve in the sub $500 market.
     
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    So if the human resources department complied then identities were stolen.
     
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    It's happened before where the employer will supply the illegal with the identity information for a "fee". Paying them less until the fee is paid, while threatening deportation if they don't work for them. Slave labor/human trafficking to a degree but the illegal doesn't know any better, they have a job and are getting paid even if the pay isn't what it should be.

    I'm not saying that's the case here, but I'm just sayin.

    I've had my SSN used at least 4 different times with different employers in AZ and CO for employment. I didnt find out until I did my taxes. Talk about a PITA! One of the times it happened I wasn't even in the country, I was in Iraq. The one from Colorado, I was at Bragg. LOL!
     
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    ONLY way to stop it....
     
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    Use to be the poultry industry there that was the big illegal employer. It is slightly ironic that a business which is subject to inspection by a couple federal agencies would hire that many illegals. If Homeland and the ATF has a closer relationship I’d be thinking hard if I were in management at Moore Machine ... oops I mean Bear Creek ... about any future violations of hiring illegals and their FFL.
     
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    Smithfield Packing got in big trouble a number of years ago for something similar. Their H&R manager/a VP was using fake/stolen SSNs for hiring illegals. I think a couple hundred illegal employees were involved then. What got him caught was using the same phony SSN for more than one person. He lost his job and I think did a little time over it.
     
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    Make it impossible for an illegal to work in this country and you wouldn't need a wall.
     
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    You have to get rid of welfare and anchor babies, too.
     
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    I wonder if " E-verify " is to blame for this? It would not surprise me to find out that this Gov system is rigged "allowing illegal people " to work.
     
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    I wish ICE would set up at the entrance to the Social Services Dept. here in Montgomery County.
     
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    That would be like hunting over bait.
     
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    Never happen, it makes to much sense.
     
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    First, that dream is bigger than the proposed wall. There will always be off the books work.

    Second, it is not true. Life in Mexico and Central America is far more dangerous and crappy than unemployed life here. They will still come.

    But by all means punish the employers severely. Every little bit helps. time for half measures are long gone. An all of the above strategy is needed.
     
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    I would love some off the books work. I am tired of having my paycheck stolen.
     
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    MS-13 hard at work from 9-5, huh?
     
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    Any employer complicit in a scam to hire illegals, e.g. charging a fee for fake papers needs to be dealt with. However, if they’re going through the hoops and the papers come back as valid, they could put themselves in hot water over discrimination claims if they aren’t careful. Don’t assume that the federal verify system works and the problem is all at the local level.
     
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    Me too, Coty, Moen, Arden, Pilgrim’s and more are our customers.
     
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    Not trying to countrpoint you, but I find it quaint that I see lots of MS13 graffiti in portajohns on locked construction sites. A gangbanger with a day job just seems more acceptable somehow.
     
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    They are hard at work but they don't have 9 to 5 hours!
     
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    Those portajohns get moved around all over the place. Not saying that someone from a gang like that ISNT working a day job, but there’s a good chance the graffiti was done elsewhere and the sweat box was relocated for the new job site with the tags already there
     
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    The company was actually cooperating with ICE in their investigation of identity theft by illegal aliens.
    Maybe more employers should act as bait for illegals.
    By the way, when Obama's information was entered into the electronic verification system it was said to have come back as probable fraud.

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    I figured, but in keeping with the "noble immigrant" narrative being pushed, my comment was more sarcastic than anything
     
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    That's what I was told. Also there was the very, very briefest mention of that on one of the Raleigh TV stations.
     
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    It allowed Obama to be president. Then he had the rules for notification changed.
    Worker bee: "The SSN does up with 5 different names working in 5 different states."
    Supervisor: "All good. The new rules say that is fine. "

    NCDMV: "No you cannot use your US issued passport as an ID because the name doesn't exactly match what Social Security has on file as your name or your name as it appears on your birth certificate." (yes, this is actually how the rules apply to US citizens. )


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    and your yard would look terrible... just sayin'
     
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    Mine already does. Probably because I do the work myself. ;)
    I have to follow the @fieldgrade 20 feet rule I believe it was: from 20 feet away, weeds look green.

    Edit to add: I am curious about the rules for detaining employees under this sort of situation. I had a ram radio discussion this morning with a guy whose BIL showed up to work there yesterday. He is a non Hispanic, natural born citizen. He had to show his ID and then was confined, not allowed to use a John or anything, and not "free to go". He was never questioned or anything and finally released. He had no idea what was going on and didn't find out until it was over. He believes he was unlawfully detained.
     
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    concepthomes1 When do we start? Staff Member Charter Member Benefactor Supporting Member

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    That's probably a very rare instance.

    When units are cleaned (weekly) or pick up, the vandalism is ground off the walls using a dremel or similar tool.

    Every new toilet we have set on a site comes with the walls cleaned of all graffiti/vandalism.