9MM Can

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  1. teamglock2002

    teamglock2002 Member Life Member

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    If you were going to buy a dedicated 9mm can for a CZ Scorpion Evo 1 pistol which would you buy?
     
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    If money didn’t matter, probably a Dead Air Wolfman...but I think they’re backordered at the moment (Dead Air went with a new manufacturer in the last month or two)

    If money did, but the wait didn’t, I’d probably wait on the YHM R9, due out in the middle of 2020

    If price and wait are important, the Rex Silentium MG7-358 looks like it’s available today for a fair price
     
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    I knew you'd come up with some good answers BW.
     
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    BigWaylon Head philatelist Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    The Omega 9K & 45K would work. And SiCo is bringing the Octane 9 & 45 back at reduced MSRP. I think just some cosmetic changes, but not 100% sure.
     
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    Unfortunately, he's wrong on this one. I'd do a form 1 can just like @BigWaylon did. Get it in your hands quicker and cheaper. So you can either listen to @BigWaylon's advice or take mine and do what @BigWaylon did and build a form 1 can.

    Hey @BigWaylon, how many alerts did you just get off my 1 post?
     
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    Just one. :(


    And a Form 1 can would fine for this if he’s up for it.

    I run an Octane 45 w/ 9mm cap on my 7” SBR, and a custom F1 can on my 4” AR pistol. I did the F1 mainly because there wasn’t a commercial can that was the size I needed...and the decreased wait time was part of the thought process.

    Although I did briefly consider a Gemtech Tundra.
     
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    Im waiting on a Wolf 9sd for the same purpose. Thats what the Wolf 9sd or the newer version of it..aka Wolfman was made for...sub guns and pcc. The reviews on these are very good. I should have it anyyyyy day now as its been just over a year. I will give some feedback on this soon hopefully!
     
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    I'd love a wolfman... But isn't it about $800?
     
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    800ish with a 1/2-28 fixed adapter. My 9sd was 730 but no mounting device. Not cheap but its should be a good performing heavy duty piece.
     
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    So then another what, $120 for a trilug adapter? Seems a bit high. I'll wait for them to go $599 or buy one get a Mask free.
     
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    I think i paid around $80 for a fixed thread. Yeah......the 3 lug adapter is up there
     
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    Sounds like you’re not ready to pull the trigger right now.

    I’d wait for the YHM R9... you will save some decent money over the Wolfman which will help you justify selling the Scorpion and buying the MP5 host you deserve.

    @JRHorne
     
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    I don't get the move towards sealed cans for pistol calibers. I understand that they're also rated for certain rifle calibers but just buy a rifle can because in 5 years the boards will full of "how do I clean my Wolfman" threads.
     
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    You get a heavier duty piece of equipment with slight volume increase...… and its usually lighter due to not having an outer tube. This normally equates to a quieter, lighter can, and recently you are seeing shorter cans that are performing the same as cans that are 2-3 inches longer. Not being able to clean it as you would a serviceable suppressor is an issue, but cans really aren't meant to last forever. A sealed can should last a few thousand rounds easily.... Some manufacturers will clean your sealed can for you, for a fee. And of course...…… they would like you to buy anther suppressor a few years down the road so they can stay in business!

    If you do decide on a sealed can for handgun rounds, most definitely pay attention to your ammo choices. Most jacketed handgun ammo isn't totally jacketed...… the rear of the bullet is exposed lead which will dirty up the can quicker. I know Speer makes TMJ ammunition (Total Metal Jacket) which works good for indoor ranges and sealed suppressors. I tend to buy a lot of plated bullets for this purpose... and they're cheaper than a total jacket bullet.

    Another solid option that was mentioned above was the Octane 9 which is user serviceable, good to see them bringing that back.
     
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    JRHorne Certified Hater Supporting Member

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    I'll throw one our: The CGS Mod9 or Mod9 SK. Both can be had for under $400 right now from Lanbos. People say the regular length is the best sounding 9mm can they've ever heard. I looked last night and found them that cheap, so I think I'm going to order one myself.
     
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    I've shot the omega 9k on that setup. Works quite nicely, and if you have the flashcan handguard fits underthe handguard all awsome like.
    But dead air products are solid, and a bit newer in design I feel. You pretty much can't kill the one bigwaylon suggested. One thing that has been mentioned though is that if you shoot hardcast lead, or bullets with exposed lead in general you are likely to want a can you can take apart. Same goes if you like the tula or other Russian ammo.
     
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    I like my Omega 9K but SiCo won't get another dollar from me. I have it on my SBR Scorpion with a trilug setup and it seems pretty awesome.
     
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    Oh I was burned too,with their....prolonged issues with their promotion, so I get that, but I also remember the AAC tattoo fiasco from years back, and at least nobody ended up with that again.

    Op
    Another option. Would maybe be the sidewinder that yhm makes if you want a decent cheap can that you can clean. They don't seem to get much love though for some reason.
     
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    I still think the CGS Mod9 SK that can be had for under $400 right now is the deal to beat. It's damn good looking too.
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    I’m with @Clicker I wouldn’t buy a sealed pistol can.

    That CGS Mod 9 is a sweet setup and they also make a very nice centerfire can
     
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    You can clean a sealed can with a cheap ultrasonic cleaner (unless it's aluminum) or "the dip". Just make sure you dispose of the waste properly (check local laws and waste management resources).
     
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    Uh no you can't, an USC doesn't work worth a damn on a sealed can.
     
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    Ah my mistake. I remember looking into it and not finding a ton of info that wasn't about chemical solvents. I know Zak with thunderbeast okayed it and so did Todd with dead air but they also said it wasn't worth bothering with. I suppose they might've meant safe to do and not effective. It'd be kinda neat to see if someone with some heavily used cans could test it to put that data out in the wild.
     
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    Silencer Shop got 550 Wolfmans (or is it Wolfman?) today...not sure if they were all allocated to backorders, or if some are still available.
     
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    Anyone have a link for this deal? I’m seeing $565
     
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    Isn't that price any more. I went to order one a week ago and it was back to the $565.
     
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    Well..........did you make a decision?
     
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    Finally pulled the trigger on a Rugged Osidian 9 in FDE. I already have a rugged Razor Supressor in .223/5.56 and I am very happy with its performance so far.
     
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    Now you just need to find somewhere to shoot it. :p
     
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    I have the Rugged Obsidian 9 direct thread dedicated on my CZ Scorpion (7.75" barrel and a stock since I Form 1'd the gun as an SBR).

    Even though it's longer than some others such as the Omega 9K, the Obsidian 9 is extraordinary quiet with subsonic 147 grain. There's almost no blowback either.

    You will be very happy with your choice.

    Note: you may be tempted to configure it in its short version, but it will be noticeably louder and not hearing safe. YMMV
     
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    A Griffin Resistance 9 lives on my Scorpion. Great performance. Turned my Scorpion into the gun I shoot more than any other, including my .22s.
     
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