Aaron Hernandez Had Severe C.T.E. When He Died at Age 27

CTE is real. Bur so is the fact that Hernandez was gang banger in middle and high school, still hung with them in his days of college.
Rather than using his wealth to help pull the up and out, he went back into the swamp to "keep it real."
I wasn't surprised when he killed himself. He got LWOP. So he decided to keep it short.

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CTE is real

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I don't think anyone can seriously deny that at this point. The thing that will be a real game changer is if a test is developed to diagnose CTE in people who are still alive. Once that happens, we'll see lots of people dropping out along the ladder from high school football to college to the NFL, and mid-career in the NFL. Hell, we've already seen NFL players retire mid-career because of long-term health concerns. Once they have a test that can show them that they are starting to develop CTE, a lot of guys are going to bail.
 
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CTE is real

AND..... it pays MILLIONS!!! I'm not saying it's not real, but these are grown men that engage in a sport that they are fully aware of the consequences yet expect people to pay for their stupidity. If you engage in an activity that carries significant risk of danger you need to be prepared to pay the piper one day.
I'm sure there are many men that played the game (@Wahoo95) early in life that DID recognize the downside and quit before they injured themselves irreparably. THOSE are the smart men....THOSE are the men I want in my corner when the chips are down.
 
I have some guys that I played with who went on to play many years pro ball and they're really struggling. It's sad to see. I've been considering getting examined myself as I honestly haven't felt myself for some time now. My short term memory has really slipped as well as my ability to focus. I first attributed it to aging but starting to feel this is something more.

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He chose to participate in a career/sport where he knew he would be taking some hard hits. Isn't this the same as someone that chooses to smoke and and then come down with COPD?
 
AND..... it pays MILLIONS!!! I'm not saying it's not real, but these are grown men that engage in a sport that they are fully aware of the consequences yet expect people to pay for their stupidity.
You do realize that CTE is a relatively recently identified phenomenon, don't you?

Of course now that CTE is more widely recognized, current players are much more aware of the risks than the generations of players before them.
 
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You do realize that CTE is a relatively recently identified phenomenon, don't you?

Of course now that CTE is more widely recognized, current players are much more aware of the risks than the generations of players before them.

I do believe it's been in the spotlight well before recently...
 
I do believe it's been in the spotlight well before recently...
2005 is when the first paper on CTE in football players was published. That's pretty recent as far as medicine goes. And that's just a first paper, which was controversial, so it would be YEARS from then before CTE risks became widely known among NFL players.

Even now, we don't understand the mechanism of CTE, which is how the NFL can dispute whether the game results in CTE.
 
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You do realize that CTE is a relatively recently identified phenomenon, don't you?

Of course now that CTE is more widely recognized, current players are much more aware of the risks than the generations of players before them.
Some of my friends aren't allowing their kids to play tackle football.

It's not just the brain injury risk either.....the wear and tear on your body is a great risk too.

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He might have had CTE but he also was no choir boy prior to the NFL ... it’s another excuse for things he did rather than plain and simple HE DID SOMETHING WRONG ... PERIOD!!! When he was a freshman (17yrs old) at U of F within a couple months he got into with a restaurant manager for drinking under age and not paying the bill and then nailed a guy in the side of the head busting the guy’s eardrum. He was arrested but received a deferment instead of the recommendation of felony assault that the officers started with thru out of court shenanigans. A couple months later he was a person of interest in a car shooting in Gainesville but lawyered up and said nothing ... poof no charges since the witness couldn’t say postively it was Hernandez. This was his freshman year at U of F ... did he have CTE then?
 
Some of my friends aren't allowing their kids to play tackle football.

It's not just the brain injury risk either.....the wear and tear on your body is a great risk too.

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For sure. Though brain injury ups the ante significantly.

For those who've been following CTE research, it would be negligent to let their kids play tackle, IMHO.
 
This was his freshman year at U of F ... did he have CTE then?
I don't know. Do you? There was a high school football player who was diagnosed with CTE (post-mortem of course).

Look, I'm not saying CTE is why Hernandez did what he did. My guess is it wasn't for the murder(s). My guess is it may have played a role in the suicide.

But bigger picture (beyond Hernandez) is people suffering from severe CTE may engage in behavior they otherwise wouldn't have, and this may develop into a legal defense, similar to insanity. CTE is no joke - read up on Mike Webster's last few years, that guy was not himself. And we've seen family say this about many players who were subsequently diagnosed with CTE.
 
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I've heard that some Charlotte area coaches are teaching the rugby style of tackling. That would be a tackle waist level with the head behind the ball carrier...head away from the forward movement of the ball carrier. However that does not remove the risk of the line play and defenders rushing the QB which could result in head high hits.

In the NFL some offensive players are so hesitant to get hit in the legs and knees that they would prefer high hits. I think their point is the leg injuries end their season, whereas concussed injuries can get them back in action in 2-3 weeks. That seems to be a choice by a player demanding more publicity. But still a bad choice.
 
In the NFL some offensive players are so hesitant to get hit in the legs and knees that they would prefer high hits. I think their point is the leg injuries end their season, whereas concussed injuries can get them back in action in 2-3 weeks. That seems to be a choice by a player demanding more publicity. But still a bad choice.
What evidence are you relying on to attribute this to publicity as opposed to more tangible motivations such as earning performance bonuses, or for more marginal players, trying to keep their spot on the roster?
 
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What evidence are you relying on to attribute this to publicity as opposed to more tangible motivations such as earning performance bonuses, or for more marginal players, trying to keep their spot on the roster?[/QUOTe

What evidence are you relying on to attribute this to publicity as opposed to more tangible motivations such as earning performance bonuses, or for more marginal players, trying to keep their spot on the roster?

Actually both bonuses and pub. The saying goes...out of sight out of mind. As far as pub, I was mainly thinking about the case of Odell Beckham of the Giants who took an ankle hit in the exhibitions and still isn't 90%. On the injured list he was still talking about his desire to be the leagues highest paid player. The hype feeds the problem IMO.
 
He chose to participate in a career/sport where he knew he would be taking some hard hits. Isn't this the same as someone that chooses to smoke and and then come down with COPD?

I would equate it more to all those that say the cop chose his job he can quit.
 
My oldest son played football all through middle school and high school and loved it. When he went to college he wanted to try to walk onto the team, as they were just re-introducing their football team after a 50 year hiatus. He was a pre-pharmacy major. I had a talk with him and told him that he was not a good enough player to make a living out of it and that he would make his living with his brain and no use to destroy his body. He had a broken arm, broken thumb, messed up knee and at least 2 concussions during his playing.

After his first year and the required pre-pharmacy course load, he told me that he was glad that he did not attempt the walk on. He is now a pharmacist and doing well.
 
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If you doubt CTE, come have a beer with me. I have stories and anecdotal evidence from my life. (How do you explain significant, gradual IQ loss?)

I don't complain about sore knees, I knew the risk. I played HS football from '84 to '87. I played one year of semi-pro in 2001. Never heard of CTE or any type of long-term brain damage. So, no, I didn't know the risks and chose to play anyway. We knew of short term brain trauma, but never considered it would follow us for life. Bruises go away, right?

The last game I played, I got blind-sided and yet never left the game. However, the concussion was so bad I only saw blurry images and only 100 feet in front of me on the drive home. (No idea how I made it home safely other than divine assistance.) I was vomiting for the next 5 days, I assumed I had the flu. Luckily, due to missing a week of work, I missed that last couple of games because I had to work overtime.

In 2003, I started having severe health problems, physical and mental. Since then, I have been diagnosed with 8 different conditions/illnesses/diseases. Yet, none of the treatments for any of them have ever helped me. CTE is real, and it isn't just for the pros.
 
I have some guys that I played with who went on to play many years pro ball and they're really struggling. It's sad to see. I've been considering getting examined myself as I honestly haven't felt myself for some time now. My short term memory has really slipped as well as my ability to focus. I first attributed it to aging but starting to feel this is something more.

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I wish you the best of luck!

Please let me know if you have any success. I have been unable to make any progress with any medical personnel.
 
Im shocked at some of the responses to this, how its their fault they have this and they should have known.

I feel for these guys, and their families, for what they are suffering from now because of this sport.
Even if they are making MILLIONS it doesnt bring back their ability to think, walk, speak etc
 
No doubt in my mind that CTE exists in the football world. No doubt in my mind that concussions exist in the football world. No doubt in my mind that spinal injuries, neck injuries, elbow injuries, knee injuries, injuries of the feet, ribs, hands, wrists, etc.......all exist in the football world. No doubt at all.

I like watching football. Mostly college ball however because it's more real and money isn't as involved for the players. I played six years of football as a kid in school. I can tell you here and now that my head hurt something awful when I banged into another player's helmet head to head at full speed.

I also have no doubt that crashing into a spectator protection fence while inverted, soaring through the air at 200+ mph while piloting a race car, can cause some major health issues, including death.

I consider myself a friend of the OP. No disrespect intended at all by my post here. However, if you choose to pursue it, are talented enough to make it, experienced enough to know there are risks to your health, well-being, and life................and you're making the Big Bucks....... sorry, no sympathy from me.

No one could convince me that all of these football players didn't know that slamming their helmeted head into another player's head while converging at full running speed could hurt or cause issues.

I personally think that any lawsuits that have occurred over this football concussion nonsense is a bunch of BS. It's comparable to a fictional case of Alex Zanardi suing CART over his legs getting torn off in that horrific crash back in 2001 because he wasn't aware that cars he was racing in and against going 200+ mph could cause physical harm.

It's a sport. If you can't handle the risks and the consequences that come with those risks, even when getting paid the big bucks, then get out. You're out of your league. It's either that, or do away with the sport altogether.

As far as Hernandez is concerned, he was a criminal gangbanger that deserved to be incarcerated forever, and based on his past as a youth, he could offer no excuse for his crimes.
 
I dont think any of them were thinking that there were no risks involved.
But how many thought they would lose their lives to it.

Im not going to google the folks now, I can later if you'd like, but I think about a HBO special I saw on a New Orleans player who, because of his football injuries, has lost ability to use his body. His mind is still sharp, but his body is lame.
In the same special there was another player who had the same thing - he was then bed ridden with a special machine that would speak for him as he looked at the computer screen.

These men expected broken bones, torn/ripped ligaments, concussions etc...none thought it put them down for good one day or change them/their brains so much that they acted different.
 
I dont think any of them were thinking that there were no risks involved.
But how many thought they would lose their lives to it.

Im not going to google the folks now, I can later if you'd like, but I think about a HBO special I saw on a New Orleans player who, because of his football injuries, has lost ability to use his body. His mind is still sharp, but his body is lame.
In the same special there was another player who had the same thing - he was then bed ridden with a special machine that would speak for him as he looked at the computer screen.

These men expected broken bones, torn/ripped ligaments, concussions etc...none thought it put them down for good one day or change them/their brains so much that they acted different.


There have been countless football players over the years including young middle school, high school, college, and professional players who have been paralyzed from a traumatic injury during practice or a game. Not to mention all of the dehydration deaths and fatal heart issues that have happened in the sport at all levels.

It's been happening for a very long time and I personally don't buy the excuse that they were unaware that the sport they are participating in, and getting paid millions and millions of dollars to do so, even if they sit on the sidelines, could be detrimental to their health.

It's not rocket science. Slamming your head into another player's helmet, when you both weigh 240+ lbs. and can run the 40 in under 5 seconds, will eventually cause some major issues in your brain and/or spinal column. I just can't believe that this has been an unknown in the football world, especially professional football.
 
There have been countless football players over the years including young middle school, high school, college, and professional players who have been paralyzed from a traumatic injury during practice or a game. Not to mention all of the dehydration deaths and fatal heart issues that have happened in the sport at all levels.

It's been happening for a very long time and I personally don't buy the excuse that they were unaware that the sport they are participating in, and getting paid millions and millions of dollars to do so, even if they sit on the sidelines, could be detrimental to their health.

It's not rocket science. Slamming your head into another player's helmet, when you both weigh 240+ lbs. and can run the 40 in under 5 seconds, will eventually cause some major issues in your brain and/or spinal column. I just can't believe that this has been an unknown in the football world, especially professional football.

You are describing immediate trauma. Yes, we knew those risks.

We did not know that there was a behind-the-scenes monster growing that would one day ruin our lives. You really believe that when I was 14 I knowingly chose football and permanent brain damage? Damage not caused by a one time tragic hit, that risk I accepted. Damaged caused by just practicing every day. Damage that would be unseen and unknown for 20+ years that can't be diagnosed until I die and has no known cure. No sir, I had no idea that demon existed.

And for every guy that has made a million dollars playing football, there is at least a 1000 guys who played and never saw a dime.
 
Just to deepen the discussion some, I'll add that a high school friend of mine had 3 concussions playing soccer his junior year. Never been the same since. Still a smart guy who is doing well for himself, but he still deals with headaches and dizziness from time to time.
 
You really believe that when I was 14 I knowingly chose football and permanent brain damage?

No. I do not believe that you knowingly chose football and permanent brain damage when you were 14. I'm sorry you have experienced what you have and are paying the consequences.

I also do not believe that Aaron Hernandez committed his crimes because of this disorder. I believe he was a full blown homicidal psychopath and was wrapped up in a gang culture that his fame and wealth helped finance.

If there's a disease that no one knew existed related to head injuries suffered in football that doesn't manifest itself for many years, then by all means, let's do everything we can to prevent it, just as they have been doing with the stricter targeting rules and such.

But we need to be careful and not allow this medical issue to be perverted into something that will excuse away criminal behavior. That's my point and I also understand your point.
 
No. I do not believe that you knowingly chose football and permanent brain damage when you were 14. I'm sorry you have experienced what you have and are paying the consequences.

I also do not believe that Aaron Hernandez committed his crimes because of this disorder. I believe he was a full blown homicidal psychopath and was wrapped up in a gang culture that his fame and wealth helped finance.

If there's a disease that no one knew existed related to head injuries suffered in football that doesn't manifest itself for many years, then by all means, let's do everything we can to prevent it, just as they have been doing with the stricter targeting rules and such.

But we need to be careful and not allow this medical issue to be perverted into something that will excuse away criminal behavior. That's my point and I also understand your point.

I am sorry if anything I said was inferred to provide any excuses for Aaron Hernandez. I agree that CTE did not alter the path he was already on. (But I do believe that CTE contributed to Junior Seau's demise.)

And if my sons were to now choose to play football, then yes, they should expect and not begrudge CTE.

I just wanted to challenge the notion that we knew better "back when". Maybe we should have, I must concede that point. But we didn't, and I have no idea how we could have.
 
If there's a disease that no one knew existed related to head injuries suffered in football that doesn't manifest itself for many years, then by all means, let's do everything we can to prevent it, just as they have been doing with the stricter targeting rules and such.

Sadly, it affects interior players more than the other positions. While the big hit concussions are problematic, it is the constant battering, play after play, that exasperates the condition. (Based on what we know about it today.)

I am afraid that the only cure is flag football.
 
I am sorry if anything I said was inferred to provide any excuses for Aaron Hernandez. I agree that CTE did not alter the path he was already on. (But I do believe that CTE contributed to Junior Seau's demise.)

And if my sons were to now choose to play football, then yes, they should expect and not begrudge CTE.

I just wanted to challenge the notion that we knew better "back when". Maybe we should have, I must concede that point. But we didn't, and I have no idea how we could have.

No worries sir. I certainly understand your position and agree that it's not as simple as the picture I painted above in my previous posts. Sometimes it takes a little enlightenment from others to educate ourselves on certain things.

My wife is a perfect example. I won't get into it here but she experienced something back in '94, about two weeks prior to our daughter being born, that is still not understood very well in the medical community or in the general public. So I certainly do understand your position.
 
Sadly, it affects interior players more than the other positions. While the big hit concussions are problematic, it is the constant battering, play after play, that exasperates the condition. (Based on what we know about it today.)

I am afraid that the only cure is flag football.


I was going to mention that earlier when I was discussing Hernandez. He was a tight end. If any players are more prone to this long-term brain injury, I would think the interior linemen would be, more so than any other players. Linebackers and running backs may be included as well.
 
Some of my friends aren't allowing their kids to play tackle football.


If this trend continues American football will die on the vine. It will start with the children of middle class whites and eventually no one who cares about their kids will let them play the way we play now.

We could get rid of all the pads and force the players to be more careful about how they hit, like rugby.

Or maybe European football will get bigger here.
 
You do realize that CTE is a relatively recently identified phenomenon, don't you?

Of course now that CTE is more widely recognized, current players are much more aware of the risks than the generations of players before them.
But only returning to the leather heads will make them change how they hit.
There is no such thing as a concussion proof helmet. Never will be.

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Thankfully there is still innovations being put into the helmets to help reduce concussions and CTE.

And as for CTE not causing Hernandez to do what he did...well, maybe. Maybe not.
We'll never know, but you keep on believing what you feel.
 
And if my sons were to now choose to play football, then yes, they should expect and not begrudge CTE.
Your sons, yes, but their father knows about CTE. But the connection between football and CTE is not in the same ballpark of public awareness as that between, say, smoking and lung cancer.

Everyone knows about lung cancer. What proportion of the public knows anything about CTE? Further, at this point, everyone knows that smoking causes lung cancer. It's even printed on the box. How many kids playing high school or college football are given notice when they sign up that playing football may lead to permanent brain damage? The NFL doesn't acknowledge it, and as with any big business, resistance to this conclusion is very high at the NFL and D1 colleges. They are aided by the fact that we don't yet understand the mechanism of CTE, and as far as I know, we don't yet have studies that establish a good baseline for CTE prevalence in the general population (and without these factors, causation is very difficult to prove).

It was only a few years ago that the Monday Night Football broadcast eliminated their "Jacked Up" segment, which was essentially a brain-damage-in-progress highlight video. And that was several years AFTER the first paper on CTE in football players was published. Even today, while the game broadcasters speak of concussions in a much more serious manner than they did several years ago, none of them are referring to CTE. And all the former players we see in the sports media and commercial endorsements appear physically, and mentally, healthy. We don't see the guys who are so mentally unhinged that they are on verge of suicide.

And what about the sub-concussive hits, which you alluded to earlier - how many people understand that many sub-concussive hits may be an even greater risk factor for CTE than a few acute concussions?

And what about brain injury potential for children? Their brains are more vulnerable to trauma than adult brains. How well is this understood by parents, even by parents who know enough to not let their sons play college football or even high school football?

So bottomline, I'd say that while sons of people in the know should be aware of the brain damage risk they are taking, we are far from the point where this risk is widely understood by everyone joining high school or college football teams.
 
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I find it a lot harder to give sympathy to a known gangster with CTE . If he had been trying to change his life for the better from his past life ,but that's not the case.

Its a different story for a Soldier who got CTE while in service to thier country. Some of these folks have had some MAJOR injuries that have changed thier life they had forever .
 
The biggest risk to kids health isn't playing football, it's doing nothing while passively parked in front of a TV/Phone/Computer screen.
 
The biggest risk to kids health isn't playing football, it's doing nothing while passively parked in front of a TV/Phone/Computer screen.

It doesnt have to be one or the other, but I agree that kids should be more active.
 
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