Alec Baldwin charged again

I like the idea of putting a BB inside dummy rounds. Mine have no primer, or a spent primer, but I still like the idea of adding another difference.

I find it interesting that the pistol was pointed and fired in a direction where there should not have been any people, don’t know if that will be considered important in any trial. I’m very confused about why he cocked (and fired) when that was apparently not a part of the scene that was being shot.

That he failed to follow and enforce safety protocols as the executive is troubling, I still have no opinion about that rising to the level of being criminal or not, although the sheriff clearly has an informed opinion on this.
 
Frack N Cylons said:
Apparently here is a gif of an expert witness being corrected by a bailif when he pointed the gun used in the movie Rust at the judge.

Have we learned nothing!?!

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This could have been tragically hilarious if it were Alec Baldwin on the stand.


"If you would please show us how you handled the gun the day the incident happened."

BLAM!

*judge drops dead*
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
This could have been tragically hilarious if it were Alec Baldwin on the stand.


"If you would please show us how you handled the gun the day the incident happened."

BLAM!

*judge drops dead*
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You are a bad man to have such thoughts.

That would be very funny and Baldwin sentence to be carried out by firing squad.
 
GymB said:
Yeh, but he wasn’t reckless or negligent. Seriously, if your kid hands you a cap gun, do you clear it and then reload?

No crime.

Yes, he pulled the trigger, and a woman died, but that doesn’t mean there was a crime. You’re driving down the road, car slides on black ice, it goes off an overpass, lands on a Honda Fit killing a family of clowns. You were obviously not in control of your vehicle, intentionally driving in conditions that made you unsafe, and as a result a bunch of clowns died…but you didn’t commit a crime. Same thing happens and you’re stinking drunk, then you commited a handful of crimes. A reasonable person could forsee that a drunk driver could kill clowns. No reasonable person could anticipate that firing a blank in a gun on a movie set with no live ammunition would kill someone at a distance greater than contact.

In hindsight and as gun people it’s easy to say that he could have done things to avoid this tragedy, but that he didn’t doesn’t make the act a crime.

Yes he was the producer and so has some umbrella responsibility for everything that happens, but that’s a civil argument, not criminal.

Not that any of this matters, he’ll never be convicted and it’s all just a waste of time and resources.
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Just catching up on this thread again.

Seems to me that what happened was the very definition of "negligent homicide", to wit "involuntary manslaughter: "Involuntary manslaughter can also occur if a person is engaging in a lawful act but unintentionally kills someone by being negligent or not exercising due care. Involuntary manslaughter is classified as a fourth-degree felony with sentencing up to 18 months in prison and probation".

There are MANY potential avenues in which negligence or carelessness can be shown here. We'll see how the dust settles at the conclusion of the trial.

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RetiredUSNChief said:
Just catching up on this thread again.

Seems to me that what happened was the very definition of "negligent homicide", to wit "involuntary manslaughter: "Involuntary manslaughter can also occur if a person is engaging in a lawful act but unintentionally kills someone by being negligent or not exercising due care. Involuntary manslaughter is classified as a fourth-degree felony with sentencing up to 18 months in prison and probation".

There are MANY potential avenues in which negligence or carelessness can be shown here. We'll see how the dust settles at the conclusion of the trial.

New Mexico Manslaughter Charges | New Mexico Legal Group

New Mexico Legal Group’s top priority is protecting the rights and welfare of people accused of criminal offenses statewide
www.newmexicolegalgroup.com www.newmexicolegalgroup.com


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Edited the above posting for New Mexico references vice California.
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Especially since he was one of the producers. He wasn’t just an actor. If he was just an actor, it could be a maybe. But as a producer I think you’re liable for things like this. Idk I’m not a lawyer nor do I work in the film industry.
 
TexasEskimo said:
Armorer Hannah Gutierrez just convicted of Involuntarily Manslaughter, innocent of Tampering With Evidence. Sentencing in May. Defense requested she be released until then. The judge said no because there was a death involved. The Sheriff's office immediately took her into custody.
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But that libtard Baldwin is free, right?
 
TexasEskimo said:
Armorer Hannah Gutierrez just convicted of Involuntarily Manslaughter, innocent of Tampering With Evidence. Sentencing in May. Defense requested she be released until then. The judge said no because there was a death involved. The Sheriff's office immediately took her into custody.
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But that libtard Baldwin is free
 
Spartan said:
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As was Ms. Gutierrez before her conviction. Now that there was a verdict she will basically start serving her sentence... "time served".
Alec Baldwin is free until his trial this summer. If he is convicted I am guessing he will start to serve his time immediately as well. However, I have no confidence in our judicial system lately. We'll just have to wait and see.
 
And here's how the liberal media protects their own. The gun just "went off" at an inopportune time. No mention of where Baldwin's finger was when the bad gun just "went off".

He was pointing a gun at Hutchins on a movie set outside Santa Fe, New Mexico, when the gun went off, killing the cinematographer and wounding director Joel Souza.
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Alec Baldwin's team probably planned on delaying any court actions with him until after Hannah's trial was completed, this way they can point a finger at her and say "Look! It was her fault, because she was convicted of involuntary manslaughter!"

Complicating the issues is the FBI's handling of the gun during testing. They've stated that the gun and could not be made to go of any other way except by pulling the trigger. HOWEVER, the retards at the FBI damaged the gun in the process of doing all this. During the testing, which involved among whatever else they used/did, they wacked the $#!+ out of the gun using a rawhide hammer and in the process:

During that test, he broke several components of the gun. The fractured parts included the tip of the trigger, the sear and the hammer.

Ziegler said he was only able to get the gun to fire during two of the tests, including at the fully cocked hammer position. "Some of the internal components of the firearm actually broke to allow that hammer to fall and fire the primed cartridge case," Ziegler said.

Alec's attorneys are going to have a heyday with this.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Alec's attorneys are going to have a heyday with this.
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Possibly. But the prosecution will have no issues proving that several people are responsible for this accident. A few folks were already granted immunity for their testimony... funny that Alec wasn't. They have their sights set on him and have a good case against him. Though... he probably has more money than the State to drag this one through the courts for years.
 
To me, and if I were a juror on the trial, the matter comes down to this: there are layers of protocol on a movie set to prevent this sort of incident. Obviously at some level they were violated. Did Baldwin follow protocol or violate it? I mean set protocol, not the 4 rules we peons operate by.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Alec Baldwin's team probably planned on delaying any court actions with him until after Hannah's trial was completed, this way they can point a finger at her and say "Look! It was her fault, because she was convicted of involuntary manslaughter!"

Complicating the issues is the FBI's handling of the gun during testing. They've stated that the gun and could not be made to go of any other way except by pulling the trigger. HOWEVER, the retards at the FBI damaged the gun in the process of doing all this. During the testing, which involved among whatever else they used/did, they wacked the $#!+ out of the gun using a rawhide hammer and in the process:

During that test, he broke several components of the gun. The fractured parts included the tip of the trigger, the sear and the hammer.

Ziegler said he was only able to get the gun to fire during two of the tests, including at the fully cocked hammer position. "Some of the internal components of the firearm actually broke to allow that hammer to fall and fire the primed cartridge case," Ziegler said.

Alec's attorneys are going to have a heyday with this.
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I don't know. I translate this as the FBI guy saying "I had to beat this gun to failure to get it to go off on it's own". It reads to me that he's saying there's no way the trigger wasn't pulled.
 
Tucci454 said:
I don't know. I translate this as the FBI guy saying "I had to beat this gun to failure to get it to go off on it's own". It reads to me that he's saying there's no way the trigger wasn't pulled.
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Here's hoping there are going to be people like you and me on the jury, then.
 
NC-rifle said:
He did shoot the gun he held. Should have checked it when handed to him.
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This is what I mean by protocols of the set. The protocols may be, “just handle it as is, don’t mess with it, don’t frack with it. Experts have rendered it safe, just follow your role”. I don’t know. Again, did he follow protocol, designed to ensure safety or not? We know others did not. Did he?
 
noway2 said:
. Again, did he follow protocol, designed to ensure safety or not? We know others did not. Did he?
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Hard to imagine the protocol called for pointing the gun at the producer and pulling the trigger while goofing around rehearsing off-camera.
 
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JohnFreeman said:
Hard to imagine the protocol called for pointing the gun at the producer and pulling the trigger while goofing around rehearsing off-camera.
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If that is what was happening, I agree. To me, the issue is, was he following protocol? I guess that will be for the jurors to decide.

I get it, he’s an anti gun a-hole that has made a lot of money from guns. Unfortunately, our rights are often affirmed by the dregs of society.
 
Even if protocol is to not double check the ammo in the gun, the question then becomes: was he supposed to point the gun at a living person and pull the trigger? Or does protocol instruct to point several degrees away from anybody? Was this an instance where the camera operator was supposed to have a gun pointed at her?

And, of course, there is still the matter that Baldwin was a producer, so he presumably had some responsibility to ensure safety on the set. I don't see how this verdict impacts his trial at all. More than one person can be held responsible... it happens all the time.
 
You can ignore all of that below as long as you are following protocol.



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