Another school shooting. Florida High School.

Trekkie said:
it's wasteful, but it's pretty symbolic too for some. I don't know how I'd feel if say my older two kids were killed and then my younger two kids had to go to the same hallway it happened. Bad juju. our top heavy education system wastes so much money as it is, the people that could make use of it never see it.

I was watching The Yankee Marshall on youtube and he was relating his experience with the resource officers. They're not allowed to talk to the kids and are paged out pretty frequently. Does anyone know if we do that in NC? I'd prefer the kids get to know and respect the officer and be willing to talk to him or her vs it being a revolving door of folks that won't talk to you and are only there to arrest kids. I don't have the answer, but in this particular case it's pretty clear the FBI and possibly even the local law enforcement stepped on their dicks.
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Our SRO is great. He interacts with the kids, counsels some like a big brother program. He has a great rapport with them. They trust him and will let him know if something stupid is going on. He has been here multiple years and has built up that trust over time.
 
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Trekkie said:
it's wasteful, but it's pretty symbolic too for some. I don't know how I'd feel if say my older two kids were killed and then my younger two kids had to go to the same hallway it happened. Bad juju. our top heavy education system wastes so much money as it is, the people that could make use of it never see it.

I was watching The Yankee Marshall on youtube and he was relating his experience with the resource officers. They're not allowed to talk to the kids and are paged out pretty frequently. Does anyone know if we do that in NC? I'd prefer the kids get to know and respect the officer and be willing to talk to him or her vs it being a revolving door of folks that won't talk to you and are only there to arrest kids. I don't have the answer, but in this particular case it's pretty clear the FBI and possibly even the local law enforcement stepped on their dicks.
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Our SRO has been there two years, younger guy (early/mid 30s) who is in the halls a lot, well seen. He talks to the kids often, and not just the ones who are in trouble.
My last school, SRO there for several years, still is. Older guy, but still visible in halls and built up rapport with kids.
 
Trekkie said:
it's wasteful, but it's pretty symbolic too for some. I don't know how I'd feel if say my older two kids were killed and then my younger two kids had to go to the same hallway it happened. Bad juju. our top heavy education system wastes so much money as it is, the people that could make use of it never see it.
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I think it makes stronger kids. Did they tear down Columbine High School, No. they close the school every year on April 20th. I think it's important to show them life moves on it's not just about them. Fix the damage remodel some and make a memorial. But that school didn't look ready to be closed anyway. All tearing it down accomplishes is to show these kid they have no worries the government will take away all the bad thoughts. I just can't agree.
 
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Cowboy said:
All tearing it down accomplishes is to show these kid they have no worries the government will take away all the bad thoughts. I just can't agree.
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It also shows those kids that they have great power and will only serve to encourage more kids to lash out this way.
 
I think a great deal of the problem is simply referring to this system and its buildings as "ours". It ain't.

Abdicating the responsibility of educating (not to mention the care of) the younguns to this thing that despises Liberty and decency is nothing short of child abuse. To think that government considers what happened here unfortunate or tragic, is to be willfully naive. Let's stop acting surprised that the mixture of these ingredients produces catastrophic explosions, as if it's some kind of accident.

Get. Your. Child. Out.
 
Cowboy said:
It's all good points but we have went from facilities to evaluate people to beds in the ER. If all of the current systems could be shared with less hippa crap it would be better.
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If I may elaborate a bit on this...

We went from facilities to evaluate and treat people to no facilities at all, which lead to people showing up in the ER for physiological problems caused by undiagnosed and untreated psychological problems.

Contrary to popular belief, not all mental health facilities were about mad scientists treating people like monkies in archaic crash test dummy programs and such.

But I will admit that there still exists a strong stygma against mental health care and a great danger of abuse of the system, especially by government authorities.
 
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backwoodsshooter said:
Talk is cheap from an e-warrior. He gonna be the first one to come and confiscate them? Nope cause big vagina
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While you are correct, that's not the danger this guy represents. The danger is that he supports the SYSTEM that would be doing all this.

He votes. He advocates. And he's not alone.

That's the danger.
 
BlackGun said:
People don’t send their kids to charter for better educations. They send them to segregate them from society. Same with homeschoolers. Just about every charter teaches bare mininums and don’t have resources to reach upper level educational opportunities. Unless that charter reaches about 800 students they don’t have the per student resources. Average Joe doesn’t have a clue about these small schools. It’s North Carolina’s republican legislators method to skate around integration and the poor white groups.
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It's been a while since I saw a post with so much total BS or one that pissed me off any more than this one.

My son spent one semester in a Raleigh HS before we put him into a charter. He would go the whole day without going to the bathroom because of the fights and smell of weed in the bathrooms. He would have never graduated in a public HS. And @BlackGun has analyzed my motives across the Internet and proclaimed that my real motives were that I'm a segregationist.

In his graduation program, they printed each student's next steps. There were dozens of students going to top-tier schools like UNC or NC State. Quite a few going to pre-med or bachelor's engineering programs at ECU or NC State. I could introduce you to a number of my former Boy Scouts who were home schooled and now attend Clemson, NC State, Davidson, and Western Carolina. Yet @BlackGun says that parents are choosing to send their kids to inferior charter schools because they don't want them in integrated and poor white groups.

I often see the liberals' useful idiots on the news saying thing like how Republicans want old people to eat cat food, or don't want minorities to learn to read, and I think, "that's just for the cameras, nobody could be that brainwashed or think so simplistically". Well I guess I was wrong.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Huh.

I'm only one generation removed from the 1920s. Literally.

Dad was born in 1923, Mom in 1924.
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My dad was born in 1960, mom in 65. Myself in 87, wife in 92.

I fixed it btw. The wife and I agree that we should have been born in the 1920/30s not in the late 80s early 90s.


RetiredUSNChief said:
While you are correct, that's not the danger this guy represents. The danger is that he supports the SYSTEM that would be doing all this.

He votes. He advocates. And he's not alone.

That's the danger.
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Oh I know.

And I had a ranting response to this that wasn't directed at you or anyone as I am getting really tired of people screaming gun violence, ban this, you can't have that.

Off to finish my school work
 
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Not directed at anyone in particular, just want to vent.
It was not the rifle that walked into that school and pulled its trigger sending rounds down range. A person carried it into there and chose to wield it in such a manner. A person with such intent easily could find other means to inflict as much if not more damage if determined. Too bad the solution is not as simple as taking an object away from some/all people. Nor is the solution locking up people to protect them from others or others from them. Killing is the issue which I believe is already against the law. Lots of luck to you and others in finding a simple solution. And while you all are at it determine how to eliminate greed (which I believe to be the root to all evil).
 
This morning I watched CBS Sunday morning, it started out with a piece on the school shooting and how all the helpless little children are now for gun reform, then at the end of the show a editorial piece on how we as a nation should be ashamed and then followed up by saying do it for , and showing a victim s picture, I grew up watching Walter Cronkite, who was voted the most trusted man in America,and news was actually a fact based story that contained the 5 W's and no agenda.
So today what I'm ashamed of isn't my pro gun stance, it's that a CBS news program used the deaths of 17 people to try and further it's obviously anti gun agenda,under the pretense of of being a fair and balanced news program . I like to see a return to the actual new without a dose of Jerry Springer thrown in to spice it up.
 
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rdinatal said:
I just saw some D from FL say they need to reinstate the assault weapon ban.
You know Feinstein is drooling...
This is the big push.
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Yup she has to wear heavy duty Depends because she is wetting herself uncontrollably.
 
S4f said:
So today what I'm ashamed of isn't my pro gun stance, it's that a CBS news program used the deaths of 17 people to try and further it's obviously anti gun agenda,under the pretense of of being a fair and balanced news program .

I'd like to see a return to the actual news without a dose of Jerry Springer thrown in to spice it up.
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Good luck with that...

You've got a better chance of Bigfoot showing up at your door, inviting himself to supper and capturing it all on video.

Media doesn't come up with the narrative on their own...they are bought and paid for by the state. They report what they are told to report and in a manner prescribed by the state. Why? To push a narrative and further an agenda.

Totalitarianism is the end game; I don't give a damn which party. Destination's the same...they just take different routes to get there.

We, the people, are being played.
 
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wsfiredude said:
Good luck with that...

You've got a better chance of Bigfoot showing up at your door, inviting himself to supper and capturing it all on video.

Media doesn't come up with the narrative on their own...they are bought and paid for by the state. They report what they are told to report and in a manner prescribed by the state. Why? To push a narrative and further an agenda.

Totalitarianism is the end game; I don't give a damn which party. Destination's the same...they just take different routes to get there.

We, the people, are being played.
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I think they are bought and paid for by the same people that own and/or control a significant portion of the state. They aren't quite one and the same.... yet.
Of course, this could just be a rare bit of optimism on my part. :p
 
Lord a guy on Facebook just compared the shooting to North Korea having a nuclear weapon and said it was a war on our children. The fact we want to keep NK from having a nuke is the same reason we should keep guns from people.
 
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rdinatal said:
I just saw some D from FL say they need to reinstate the assault weapon ban. You know Feinstein is drooling...

This is the big push.
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Button Pusher said:
Yup she has to wear heavy duty Depends because she is wetting herself uncontrollably.
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I'm not sure but I think it was a 'male'. It had a beard but then again...o_O
 
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S4f said:
This morning I watched CBS Sunday morning, it started out with a piece on the school shooting and how all the helpless little children are now for gun reform, then at the end of the show a editorial piece on how we as a nation should be ashamed and then followed up by saying do it for , and showing a victim s picture, I grew up watching Walter Cronkite, who was voted the most trusted man in America,and news was actually a fact based story that contained the 5 W's and no agenda.
So today what I'm ashamed of isn't my pro gun stance, it's that a CBS news program used the deaths of 17 people to try and further it's obviously anti gun agenda,under the pretense of of being a fair and balanced news program . I like to see a return to the actual new without a dose of Jerry Springer thrown in to spice it up.
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Just for the record, Cronkite was a lying statist POS too. Do not watch the networks. Turn them off. Help crash their ratings and lower their revenues. Starve the beast.
 
CZfool68 said:
Just for the record, Cronkite was a lying statist POS too. Do not watch the networks. Turn them off. Help crash their ratings and lower their revenues. Starve the beast.
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Yes...but CBS Sunday Morning - have you seen it? Its a delightful program.
I missed the beginning, which the poster is referencing, but the piece on Willem Defoe was fantastic.
I also enjoy their electoral college piece, use it in class to help in explaining how it works.
 
HMP said:
Yes...but CBS Sunday Morning - have you seen it? Its a delightful program.
I missed the beginning, which the poster is referencing, but the piece on Willem Defoe was fantastic.
I also enjoy their electoral college piece, use it in class to help in explaining how it works.
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I can think of nothing that would make me watch the network news shows. Plenty of places to get information from.
 
CZfool68 said:
I can think of nothing that would make me watch the network news shows. Plenty of places to get information from.
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I dont watch CBS Sunday Morning for news, but the special interest pieces. I dont think they really have that much NEWS on that show, anyway.

But anyway. Tragic event, lots of people taking stabs at what will cure/fix this, no one knows for sure and there, likely, isnt a constitutional answer to it. It's just the world we're in, sadly. Evil exists, sometimes its in a young person.
 
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I can think of nothing that would make me watch the network news shows. Plenty of places to get information from.
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i used to source from a variety of networks- cause each channel has their own biases, to see what the other side was saying, etc.

but anymore i dont want them to get even a fraction of a cent from ad revenue that i generate by visiting their site.
 
CBS news tag line. Have you seen it? It's fairly recent.
"Real News"
:confused:
I kid you not.
Yeah that's right. We said it so it's true. If you don't believe it you're racist. nyaaa

*facepalm*
 
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This is the best article I've read on the event. Local sheriff was called 20 times about this guy, and the FBI had a tip about a very specific threat this guy made. In a burst of total incompetence, they didn't do anything.
The guiding principle of American law enforcement is that it is easiest to enforce the law on law-abiding people, while enforcing the law on outlaws is something that looks terrifyingly close to hard work. That’s why gun control so ensorcels the bureaucratic mind. (Which is to say, the progressive mind: The essence of progressivism is replacing organic institutions with permanent bureaucracies.) If you are a federal law-enforcement agent with a comfy desk chair, you probably cannot imagine a more attractive anticrime program than gun control. Gun dealers have federal licenses, and they have to apply for them: You don’t have to go tracking them down — they come to you. They fill out paperwork. They generally operate from fixed addresses with regular business hours. Convenient!
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Chasing down fleet-footed 18-year-old criminals through the rough parts of Chicago on a cold February evening? That’s work. And that’s why we don’t do squat to prosecute actual gun crimes — the U.S. attorney’s office in Chicago won’t even look at a straw-buyer case unless it’s a major organized-crime enterprise — but we twist ourselves into knots to figure out how to create new hoops for federally licensed firearms dealers and their customers to jump through every time some pasty-faced virgin shoots up a school.

Chasing around pasty-faced virgins is work, too. Sometimes, you have to go so far as to pick up the phone.

As was reported on Friday, the FBI had been alerted that a particular pasty-faced virgin down in Florida was probably going to shoot up his old school. He had put up social-media posts to that effect, cleverly shielding his identity from the steely-eyed G-men by signing his legal name to those public threats. The epigones of J. Edgar Hoover may not be Sherlock Holmes, but presumably they can read, and some public-minded citizen took some screen shots and sent them to the FBI.

The FBI of course did what the relevant authorities did in the case of Omar Mateen, the case of Nidal Hasan, the case of Adam Lanza: nothing.

We could replace these guys with trained monkeys, if we could train monkeys to be self-important
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/florida-shooting-fire-fbi-chief-christoper-wray/
 
Friday said:
CBS news tag line. Have you seen it? It's fairly recent.
"Real News"
:confused:
I kid you not.
Yeah that's right. We said it so it's true. If you don't believe it you're racist. nyaaa

*facepalm*
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That, and the tease line before commercial break .... "what you need to know about --------------(fill in the blank)."
 
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If the hot tip had been about this pasty-faced virgin planning a caper to occupy the Malheur National (sic) Refuge, the agency would've been mobilizing every asset. Only start with Wray, but BTFSTTG.
 
I can't speak for the rest of you but I am literally appalled at these gun control people dancing on the graves of those murdered people in Florida. They are stoking up these youngsters and ingraining in their heads a hatred of firearms which is now permanent.
Let me tell you this. You damn well better contact your representatives (unless yours is an out and out commie like mine - Price) and senators and tell them how you feel. Tillis in particular will need some backbone. Most of all you had better get your asses out and VOTE IN NOVEMBER if you know what's good for you and the Second Amendment.
 
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BudE said:
I can't speak for the rest of you but I am literally appalled at these gun control people dancing on the graves of those murdered people in Florida. They are stoking up these youngsters and ingraining in their heads a hatred of firearms which is now permanent.
Let me tell you this. You damn well better contact your representatives (unless yours is an out and out commie like mine - Price) and senators and tell them how you feel. Tillis in particular will need some backbone. Most of all you had better get your asses out and VOTE IN NOVEMBER if you know what's good for you and the Second Amendment.
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Don't just tell them how you 'feel'. That's what liberals do. Tell the CongressCritters to REPEAL the Gun Free Zone Act by signing on to co-sponsor and VOTE FOR H.R. 34:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr34 <This bill is dying in committee. It needs to be resurrected and acted on!

Remember: Gun Free Zones = Government Sanctioned Murder! The GFZ Act was passed in 1990 along with the AWB. Columbine happened in 1999. The rest is miserable, pathetic history.
 
Unfortunately there is no way Ryan and McConnell will let a pro 2nd Amendment bill to a vote right now. They don't beleive in it, and have no stones. They aren't going to take the heat te media and Hollywood would dish out.
 
LTC Don said:
Don't just tell them how you 'feel'. That's what liberals do. Tell the CongressCritters to REPEAL the Gun Free Zone Act by signing on to co-sponsor and VOTE FOR H.R. 34:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr34 <This bill is dying in committee. It needs to be resurrected and acted on!
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I like to use the site popvox which delivers the message to your rep, and apparently is a site the congress pukes actually pay attention to. Interestingly, this particular bill will not load on their page. Maybe my foil hat isn't tight enough.
 
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