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"Defense attorney Allen Cook argued that modern brain science shows there therapy and other interventions can help Goodale. Those opportunities will do the most good for him now, as opposed to potentially decades down the line if he serves a prison sentence as an adult, Cook said."

They are currently 16 and 17 years old. If this goes to juvenile court, by the time it's adjudicated, the juvenile court will no longer have any significant influence on their therapy and interventions as they will shortly age out at 18 years of age.
 
The idea that the state is capable or set up to rehabilitate these 2 in 18 months is absurd. And I used to do that for the state of SC. We would have never dealt with these 2 though. To high risk for our facility.
 
chiefjason said:
The idea that the state is capable or set up to rehabilitate these 2 in 18 months is absurd. And I used to do that for the state of SC. We would have never dealt with these 2 though. To high risk for our facility.
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ACK-shually...

By the time a person is somewhere around their mid-single digit age, their core values are already pretty much established. The rest of their early development, up to about the time they hit their teens, is spent on interpreting the world around them and evaluating their limitations based on those core values. From that point, pier interactions have an influence, where they either develop positive reinforcement of their core values (in which case they are re-affirmed) or they run into conflicts with their core values (which leads to challenges and psychological problems as they seek to conform to conditions which go against the grain of their core values).

By the teens those core values are about as immutable as they can get. Peer pressure potentially causes a lot of problems in this area due to core value conflicts among peers.

Actually changing a person's core values is exceptionally difficult, more so the older they get. And that change absolutely cannot take place unless THEY recognize and strongly desire that change...and work very hard to do so.

These kids aren't technically "beyond help" automatically. A lot depends on their core values, issues they're going through at that state in their lives, and whether or not they WANT to change.

If their core values revolve around manipulation, lying, and various anti-social behavior in general, then the odds of them actually changing are much lower.

Psychologists say that for a person whose core values are developmentally set, it takes a MAJOR event in the person's life to put them on the path where they WANT to change. It can be health issues, loss of a loved one, and yes...run ins with serious legal consequences. And even then, it's a hard battle that for some may never see an actual "end".
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
ACK-shually...

By the time a person is somewhere around their mid-single digit age, their core values are already pretty much established. The rest of their early development, up to about the time they hit their teens, is spent on interpreting the world around them and evaluating their limitations based on those core values. From that point, pier interactions have an influence, where they either develop positive reinforcement of their core values (in which case they are re-affirmed) or they run into conflicts with their core values (which leads to challenges and psychological problems as they seek to conform to conditions which go against the grain of their core values).

By the teens those core values are about as immutable as they can get. Peer pressure potentially causes a lot of problems in this area due to core value conflicts among peers.

Actually changing a person's core values is exceptionally difficult, more so the older they get. And that change absolutely cannot take place unless THEY recognize and strongly desire that change...and work very hard to do so.

These kids aren't technically "beyond help" automatically. A lot depends on their core values, issues they're going through at that state in their lives, and whether or not they WANT to change.

If their core values revolve around manipulation, lying, and various anti-social behavior in general, then the odds of them actually changing are much lower.

Psychologists say that for a person whose core values are developmentally set, it takes a MAJOR event in the person's life to put them on the path where they WANT to change. It can be health issues, loss of a loved one, and yes...run ins with serious legal consequences. And even then, it's a hard battle that for some may never see an actual "end".
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Just checking to make sure you know I ACK-shually did this for 6 years, right?

There's nothing easy about it. And kids that violent are unlikely to rehab that kind of behavior. There's a whole other level of problems that comes along with serious violence.

We farmed out the high risk stuff. None of the agencies were run by the state except the DJJ facilities for housing juveniles. And they don't do much treatment either.

I personally took one of my kids to a facility around Greenville, SC because he was causing us so much trouble. I was there for the first few minutes of the intake process. I felt bad leaving the kid there. They took everything he brought, boxed it up, and replaced it with their stuff. The facility had about a 15' wall around the entire place. Solid wall. Being outside was like being inside but no roof. I hope the kid turned around. If it was a shock to the system he needed, well he got it there.
 
chiefjason said:
Just checking to make sure you know I ACK-shually did this for 6 years, right?
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Yes, I know.

What I posted was for the benefit of others, not you.

Yes...it's sad that some kids end up where they do. And I'm glad that at least SOME of them manage to turn their lives around.

One of my brothers, who taught junior high and high school after he retired from the USAF, had a story about one particular problem student (among many such stories). In one of his conversations with said student, where he laid it on the line to this student, he told him he'd like to look him up in ten years. The student told him he wouldn't be able to find him. To which my brother replied "Sure I will. You'll either be dead or in prison, and both are public records. Don't kid yourself."

I don't envy you the job you did...it's got to be hellishly harsh on the nerves and the emotions. My hat was off to you a long time ago when I first read about this aspect of your life.

I hope at least you got the satisfaction of seeing the occasional success story with these kids.
 
I got my teaching degree from ECU in 76. Did some substitute teaching here for the summer. Had two girls get in a fight in the shop class right beside a turning wood lathe, both with long hair flapping in the breeze. I hopped over a couple work benches and kinda forcibly separated them before they got scalped. One girl said I'm gonna sue you for touching me. The other girl that was getting crap beat out of her thanked me. Sent both to the office to let them straighten it out. Then I get this summons to the office. The principle chewed my butt for breaking up the fight. He said you can't touch these kids you should have just told them to quit. I handed the keys to the shop to him and said if there was a next time I'd just let them both get scalped and let them blame it on you. There were several FU's said as I was walking out the door.

The next day one of the admin heads from the school administration called and wondered what happened. I told her that if you can't keep anymore discipline in the schools than that I didn't want any part of it. And, that the pussy principle from that jr. high needed to grow a set of nads before somebody got hurt. He was let go the next week as there were a lot of other teachers that had the same complaints about him. I wouldn't last 5 minutes if I was teaching now. About the time one of those smart ass kids mouthed off to me I would end up in the big house. The teachers I had from the sixties through 72 wouldn't think twice about tanning a hide.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
I hope at least you got the satisfaction of seeing the occasional success story with these kids.
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Gotcha. And thanks.

You hang your hat on the successes. And we have several guys that I keep up with that did really well.

Had a few go to prison. Have a few dead. Lost track of a bunch.
 
REELDOC said:
The teachers I had from the sixties through 72 wouldn't think twice about tanning a hide.
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BIG ol' farmboy I had for math in middle school (Southwest, Clemmons) lifted my little butt up in the air with his hand made paddle.
Once, I got the message from him, my Mom AND my Dad that day.
 
ronn47 said:
BIG ol' farmboy I had for math in middle school (Southwest, Clemmons) lifted my little butt up in the air with his hand made paddle.
Once, I got the message from him, my Mom AND my Dad that day.
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I went to South Park elementary, Philo Jr. High and Parkland.
 
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