AR pistol.....law changing?

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I'm confused on the OAL issue with a pistol. If it's a pistol...it's a pistol....only rifles and SBRs are under NFA...-correct??

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DirtySCREW said:
I'm confused on the OAL issue with a pistol. If it's a pistol...it's a pistol....only rifles and SBRs are under NFA...-correct??
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Short version:

But it’s not a pistol if it’s at least 26” OAL, it’s just a firearm. Which is why you could put a VFG (which can’t go on a pistol).

Now, instead of measuring extended...they say you have to measure folded/collapsed. Which could put you under 26”, and a VFG makes it an AOW.
 
I haven't even built mine yet....I mean..I lost them in that boating accident!

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BigWaylon said:
Short version:

But it’s not a pistol if it’s at least 26” OAL, it’s just a firearm. Which is why you could put a VFG (which can’t go on a pistol).

Now, instead of measuring extended...they say you have to measure folded/collapsed. Which could put you under 26”, and a VFG makes it an AOW.
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Is the OAL measured to include the flash hider?
 
I've never measured my AR pistol, so I don't know its length. But my understanding was that vertical grip on pistols were a big no-no, but angled foregrips were ok, so I went with one of those.
 
RedneckFur said:
I've never measured my AR pistol, so I don't know its length. But my understanding was that vertical grip on pistols were a big no-no, but angled foregrips were ok, so I went with one of those.
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And that’s still the case. But if it’s >26” it’s not a pistol...it’s a firearm.

And the method of measuring a non-rifle is what the letter changed.
 
Is the less than 26" measured collapsed or extended?
I like to use the KISS method...Keep It Simple Stupid
If all the fuss is 26"....just keep your pistol less than 26" and don't put any vfg or the like on it and crisis averted.
I agree I don't like/understand/believe the ATF can just out of thin air "make" laws.....but I'm not going to spend my life in prison trying to make that point. I don't poke bears...and they leave me alone.

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The issue we find in gca and nfa is that they do not consolidate the law, both are very different bodies of law.

These letters from the ATF try to blend the two laws and come up with a answer.

Now, the 50 wild cats are the states. Each state can add, but not take away from nfa/gca

As far as these YouTube channels, fear drives clicks in the 2ndA world.
 
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DirtySCREW said:
Is the less than 26" measured collapsed or extended?
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That’s the issue.

Everywhere I’ve ever seen it written, it’s measured extended/unfolded. And that continues for rifles to determine SBR or not.

If it’s not a rifle, then rifle rules don’t apply. So you’d measure a pistol/AOW as collapsed, or folded. And even for a non-adjustable braced pistol, you measure the receiver extension, but not the brace itself.
 
BigWaylon said:
That’s the issue.

Everywhere I’ve ever seen it written, it’s measured extended/unfolded. And that continues for rifles to determine SBR or not.

If it’s not a rifle, then rifle rules don’t apply. So you’d measure a pistol/AOW as collapsed, or folded. And even for a non-adjustable braced pistol, you measure the receiver extension, but not the brace itself.
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One side note,

Some states have max oal for pistol barrels. NC is not one of these states.
 
JBoyette said:
One side note,

Some states have max oal for pistol barrels. NC is not one of these states.
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Yep.

Definitely some screwy stuff at the local level. There are some states where people have firearms registered federally as an SBR and locally as a pistol. I think MI has some of those issues.
 
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