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i found a smoking deal to me on another forum. The seller required a copy of CHP nd. BOS,,,,I almost gave in because of the price,

But I stood strong, that's what y'all have taught me over the years.

Y'all owe me a hunnant Bucks at least
 
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Ugh ok....hope im not starting a war here so understand im asking out of ignorance, not commenting out of disagreement..... but I assume you guys are talking about not doing a BOS? If thats correct than can I ask why? I mean, if a store sold me a gun they record the serial and if it was ever found can be traced back to me correct? So if I sold it and had no BOS and nothing other than my word arent I risking the fallout myself if its used and I am questioned? Ive never sold a pistol in private sale, so again im just trying to understand the thought on it? Thanks.
 
Love2shoot said:
Ugh ok....hope im not starting a war here so understand im asking out of ignorance, not commenting out of disagreement..... but I assume you guys are talking about not doing a BOS? If thats correct than can I ask why? I mean, if a store sold me a gun they record the serial and if it was ever found can be traced back to me correct? So if I sold it and had no BOS and nothing other than my word arent I risking the fallout myself if its used and I am questioned? Ive never sold a pistol in private sale, so again im just trying to understand the thought on it? Thanks.
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A FFL is a business and are required by law. Private sales they are not required,
FFL is a regestry for the Gov,, I see no need to make one amoug ourselves.
I do as the law states, No less, no more
 
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Do what you want to with a bill of sale. No matter what that is you'll find someone here to disagreee with you about it. Just make sure you discuss it with the other party before anyone commits to a deal... it's a trigger.
 
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Ooh! A BOS thread!

They can also be a danger to the ignorant, almost like a written confession.

Where I work is close enough to the NC state line that our factory is probably 1/3 NC residents. If I didn't tell you that, you could probably tell by the smell. But, I digress.

One such person was asking me about gun laws because he had just bought a pistol from another employee. The seller was an SC resident. He was from NC. He told me that although he had his CHP, he got a BOS just in case.

I recommended killing it with fire.
 
Good advice there... and recommend he never speak of that deal again, to anyone.
 
Pink_Vapor said:
Why is there an issue with a bill of sale?
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It isn’t required by law. And lots of folks don’t believe in nor will they do any more than is required by law.
 
kcult said:
Ooh! A BOS thread!

They can also be a danger to the ignorant, almost like a written confession.

Where I work is close enough to the NC state line that our factory is probably 1/3 NC residents. If I didn't tell you that, you could probably tell by the smell. But, I digress.

One such person was asking me about gun laws because he had just bought a pistol from another employee. The seller was an SC resident. He was from NC. He told me that although he had his CHP, he got a BOS just in case.

I recommended killing it with fire.
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I see no problem with that purchase.
S/ John Galt
 
Love2shoot said:
Ugh ok....hope im not starting a war here so understand im asking out of ignorance, not commenting out of disagreement..... but I assume you guys are talking about not doing a BOS? If thats correct than can I ask why? I mean, if a store sold me a gun they record the serial and if it was ever found can be traced back to me correct? So if I sold it and had no BOS and nothing other than my word arent I risking the fallout myself if its used and I am questioned? Ive never sold a pistol in private sale, so again im just trying to understand the thought on it? Thanks.
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No...Form 4473 traces the gun (blocks 24 through 29) back to you (blocks 1 through 9).

You aren't risking squat without a bill of sale. Follow the law.
 
Most sellers want a BOS to “prove” that they followed the law, that the person they sold to was a resident of the state and of age. It is easy to think this way, but it tramples our entire legal system and form of government. Following the law is what is required, going further to prove that you followed the law indicates that you’re okay with having to prove that you followed the law, when you should instead insist that the state prove that you broke it. Just one BOS makes no difference, but the trend is bad for our form of government.

A seller may also want a BOS because they fear that the gun may someday be recovered at a crime scene and that they will then be a suspect in that crime. This fear is unfounded.

Further to the two paragraphs above, the BOS proves only that you have a piece of paper, it doesn’t prove that you actually sold the gun. In the first case it is evidence that you claim to have checked the buyer out, but it is not proof. In the second the police will appreciate having another name to explore, but that isn’t what moves them off of you...they were really never on you. The paranoid seller will say that even if it isn’t proof, at least it is evidence and that’s better than nothing, but they are wrong it is exactly the same as nothing.
 
Should've walked when the word "copy" came out of the piehole.

Mike, you too funny!

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The reason I don't do copies is because they are not required. The chances of a CHP holder using a firearm in a crime is almost non existent. ID thief is more of a real threat. If you don't trust me enough to sell me a firearm, why should I trust you with personal info?
 
I'll sign whatever you want because as @JimB pointed out it's almost exactly the same thing as nothing at all. Any data that are publicly available with a 10-second google search can go on a BOS with no harm to me. And I don't have a principled opposition to worthless pieces of paper.
But I once met a guy to buy a pistol and when I showed my ID and CHP he proceeded to take out his phone as if to take a picture of my papers... Um, NO. I do take issue with making copies of my docs.
 
I personally don't really mind doing a bill of sale or showing papers or whatever. >IF< it is disclosed of ahead of time. I think the issue most people have is arriving to a deal and someone suddenly demanding all sorts of unnecessary documentation that wasn't agreed to prior. If someone puts in an ad, or during the convo, that they will need to do a bill of sale and retain a copy of something then fine, Ill decide then if I want to carry on with the sale.
 
I would not buy or sell a gun without a BOS. If the gun turned out to have a "history" at least I could prove that I bought it and when. If I sold a gun and it later showed up at a crime scene, I could prove it wasn't still mine. Everyone should do what they are comfortable with
 
If it makes you feel better then carry on. But that's all it does.
 
There better be new CZ pictures coming in this thread.
 
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