Are y'all proud of me??

I have done BOS in the past, and while I understand the want for it, I haven't done one in a while, either as a buyer or seller. If I want something and the buyer requires it, and it's too good to pass up, then I will do it, on the premises I get a copy as well (if he's taking my info, I'll take his) but I don't really care either way.

I stopped doing them when I sold because I kept forgetting to bring them lol.
 
I understand the argument of not wanting to give a bos, but what is the law on handguns. I’ve always understood it to be that the buyer had to show a copy of ppp or chp even face to face. Only pistols I’ve sold have either been to a shop to prevent headache or to people that have a ppp.
 
dman24 said:
I understand the argument of not wanting to give a bos, but what is the law on handguns. I’ve always understood it to be that the buyer had to show a copy of ppp or chp even face to face. Only pistols I’ve sold have either been to a shop to prevent headache or to people that have a ppp.
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Law says the buyer has to possess a PPP or CHP. It doesn't say anything about showing, surrendering, copying or viewing by the seller.

That said, I just signed a BOS because I wanted the gun. Not a deal breaker for me at all.
 
That’s a weird way for the law to be written, with how our government usually does things. Kind of hard for someone to know they have one if they don’t at least see it.
 
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It seems to me the law wasn't written as clearly as it could have been. It says the following:

In addition, this State law has been interpreted to require that a pistol permit be obtained by the receiver of a handgun when such person inherits a pistol as a result of the death of another person. The permit should be given to and retained by the seller or donor of the handgun. In such a case, the permit should be given to the executor or receiver of the estate of the deceased person. If the purchaser or receiver uses a North Carolina-issued concealed carry permit for the transfer, the seller should reference such permit on a bill of sale.

It makes no sense to me that they intended the "seller or donor" should retain the PPP in the case of an inheritance but not in the case of a "normal" sale.
 
Jeppo said:
It seems to me the law wasn't written as clearly as it could have been. It says the following:

In addition, this State law has been interpreted to require that a pistol permit be obtained by the receiver of a handgun when such person inherits a pistol as a result of the death of another person. The permit should be given to and retained by the seller or donor of the handgun. In such a case, the permit should be given to the executor or receiver of the estate of the deceased person. If the purchaser or receiver uses a North Carolina-issued concealed carry permit for the transfer, the seller should reference such permit on a bill of sale.

It makes no sense to me that they intended the "seller or donor" should retain the PPP in the case of an inheritance but not in the case of a "normal" sale.
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You say that you’re quoting the law, but I think you are quoting an interpretation of the law by then Attorny General Roy Cooper, an interpretation that is difficult to reconcile with the plain language of the statute.
 
Yup
 
Catfish said:
It's not our job as citizens to enforce the law

but I think I mis-spoke above. NCGS 14-402 makes it illegal to sell a pistol to anyone who doesn't have a PPP or CHP. Probably a good idea to view them.

https://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/byarticle/chapter_14/article_52a.html
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Technically, your original comment was correct: "It doesn't say anything about showing, surrendering, copying or viewing by the seller."

While it might be hard to know a buyer has a permit without seeing one, the law does not specify how a seller should determine that a buyer has a permit. If an issue arises from that approach at some point in the future, a lot of people will simply rely on saying "I did no more or less than the law required."
 
How do I know the buyer did not present a counterfeit PPP or CHP?
 
Button Pusher said:
How do I know the buyer did not present a counterfeit PPP or CHP?
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I don't know how all the counties do it but the PPPs that I get from Gaston county have are embossed with an official seal before I get them.

When it comes to selling to those with a concealed carry. I largely just hope it's right. Though I've only ever sold guns in an FFL employee capacity.
 
Button Pusher said:
How do I know the buyer did not present a counterfeit PPP or CHP?
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You don’t, but generally you don’t have to.

Companies have the same exact issue when hiring. It is against the law to hire illegals, but if a person has good looking, but fake, identification there is little the company can do. The company is not in a position to determine the validity of the documents beyond identifying any obvious forgery. To head off a tangent I’ll say that not all companies are diligent in their evaluation and leave it at that.

Always remember that someone has to prove that you broke the law, you don’t have to prove that you followed it. If you sell a pistol to someone and you are later asked about it, if you can honestly respond that the buyer presented a PPP and a drivers license that matched, you’re almost certainly good. In a curious twist, a seller seems to have more risk if they keep the PPP, sign a BOS and make a copy of the DL because if the PPP is a forgery then there is ample evidence to question his determination of its authenticity. Still probably not an issue.
 
Catfish said:
Law says the buyer has to possess a PPP or CHP. It doesn't say anything about showing, surrendering, copying or viewing by the seller.

That said, I just signed a BOS because I wanted the gun. Not a deal breaker for me at all.
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+1

If I want to buy a gun for whatever reason and I want it, I'll sign a bill of sale and also provide a black and white copy of my CC and DL if that makes the seller more comfortable. The reality is someone having your DL number really can't do anythin with it, even if they wanted to. SS number is a different story. Whatever I give, I get as well...

As mentioned, whatever you feel comfortable with...
 
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We did a bos and looked at each other dl and my CHP
when I purchased used on two occasions. No problem.
 
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