Article: Hunting influencers plead guilty to poaching charges

I guess one can always move to Europe where the landowner owns the wildlife, what little they haven't killed off. Except on private estates where hunting is restricted to the elite upper class. If we eliminated all seasons and regulations on wildlife in a few years many species would be eradicated, just like they nearly were a hundred years ago. Many do not know that deer were actually trapped in other states and released in NC up into the 60's. And 30 years ago most of NC had no Wild Turkeys. Once again the sportsman stood up and literally raised millions of dollars to restore wild turkeys. Today, all 100 counties in NC have a wild turkey season.
 
Where/when I grew up hunting we couldn't afford tree stands. I couldn't even afford the lumber to build them.
So in my opinion if you are hunting from a stand you are not an honorable hunter.

Where/when I grew up hunting we didn't have access to compound bows with 90% let off and a trigger on your wrist that has very little or nothing at all to do with traditional archery. Nevertheless a crossbow.
So if you aren't using a naked longbow during archery season you are not an honorable hunter.

Where/when I grew up hunting we didn't have in-line muzzleloaders/holographic sights/scent blocker clothes/powder pellets/209 primer ignition/rifles that shot farther than a .30-30/laser rangefinders/realtree camo/carbon fiber bow sights/therma-cells/whisker biscuits/mechanical broadheads/cell phones with the weather app/side by side UTVs/4 wheelers/ballistic tip rifle bullets/suppressors/sniper rifle chassis/doe piss from Amazon/$60,000 trucks with heated seats/ and "hunting leases".

So if you use any of the above you are not an honorable hunter. LOLOLOLOLOL!
Did you grow up in WV also...

We had to learn about nature and weather by spending time in it to have productive hunts. The result was learning to hunt successfully and with a degree of what our elders considered fairness.
I grew up competing during season with the animals on the ground using what was learned and passed down about the topography, weather, and nature in general of my environment.
Honorable hunting practices for our family dealt closely with respect for the animals life by earning the right to take it, not based on the amount of money spent to justify the kill. We also had to understand how to completely and properly clean a kill, and be strong enough to drag it home through the hills alone. Needless to say I wasn't allowed to hunt or kill until I was big enough to check all the boxes.

To each his or her own. Just sharing some of my personal experience that I am unable to deviate from. I do think though it is important not to forget these old ways. I don't think it is any different that when we grow gardens and respect the harvest by using and preserving it as completely as possible.
 
We did not have much big game in Brunswick County when I was young. There were no turkeys except at Orton. There were only a few deer left in the Green Swamp. No deer or turkeys were on our farm. We had squirrels, a few rabbits, about 9 coveys of quail, doves, and zillions of Red Winged Blackbirds that we shot and ate. They were yummy. I was in college when I saw the first deer on our place and almost retired before I saw my first turkey.

My uncle would take me up to the Green Swamp to hunt deer with the neighbors who had deer dogs. We would get there before dawn and ride the roads with our heads out the windows trying to see deer tracks on the dirt road. We would all meet up at the Mud Hole, at Bee Tree, or some other location to compare notes. There were no CB radios back then. Those in charge would plan out a hunt and assign stands to people. Standers would be positioned around a block at strategic locations to watch the road and to shoot any buck that crossed in range of a load of buckshot. One or two men would take the dogs into the block where the track entered to try to jump the deer. You could follow their progress and could tell quite easily if the deer jumped. A pack of hounds trailing a jumped deer is a sweet sound to a hound man. You never knew which way the deer would run, and only occasionally would anyone get a good shot at a buck. I have spent many hours standing on a cold dirt road in the middle of about 15,000 acres of nowhere waiting to hear some dogs. The group might actually kill one or two deer a week if we were lucky. All the meat was divided among all the hunters.

Things got a lot easier when we got CB radios, 4 wheel drive trucks, and a whole lot more deer. I have not hunted with dogs in decades because I have plenty of deer on my farm.

Everybody has their own hunting background that shapes the way they think about hunting. Mine may not be better or worse than that of another person, but it is mine. I would not trade it for the world.
 
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Natural resources, wildlife included, have to be regulated and managed by someone, otherwise you run into a 'tragedy of the commons' problem. Deer, turkeys, rivers, etc are owned by all citizens together. One person can't lay claim to a resource as their own. You can't own a wild deer no more than you can own all the water in a river just because it crosses your property.

Game seasons exist because there once was a time when virtually every game species in the US was on the edge of extinction. Hunters lobbying for seasons, licenses, and permits are what changed that. Hunting licenses aren't expensive or hard to get. People that poach are thieves.
 
We did not have much big game in Brunswick County when I was young. There were no turkeys except at Orton. There were only a few deer left in the Green Swamp. No deer or turkeys were on our farm. We had squirrels, a few rabbits, about 9 coveys of quail, doves, and zillions of Red Winged Blackbirds that we shot and ate. They were yummy. I was in college when I saw the first deer on our place and almost retired before I saw my first turkey.

My uncle would take me up to the Green Swamp to hunt deer with the neighbors who had deer dogs. We would get there before dawn and ride the roads with our heads out the windows trying to see deer tracks on the dirt road. We would all meet up at the Mud Hole, at Bee Tree, or some other location to compare notes. There were no CB radios back then. Those in charge would plan out a hunt and assign stands to people. Standers would be positioned around a block at strategic locations to watch the road and to shoot any buck that crossed in range of a load of buckshot. One or two men would take the dogs into the block where the track entered to try to jump the deer. You could follow their progress and could tell quite easily if the deer jumped. A pack of hounds trailing a jumped deer is a sweet sound to a hound man. You never knew which way the deer would run, and only occasionally would anyone get a good shot at a buck. I have spent many hours standing on a cold dirt road in the middle of about 15,000 acres of nowhere waiting to hear some dogs. The group might actually kill one or two deer a week if we were lucky. All the meat was divided among all the hunters.

Things got a lot easier when we got CB radios, 4 wheel drive trucks, and a whole lot more deer. I have not hunted with dogs in decades because I have plenty of deer on my farm.

Everybody has their own hunting background that shapes the way they think about hunting. Mine may not be better or worse than that of another person, but it is mine. I would not trade it for the world.
This a good example of different strokes for different folks. Is one way better than another or is hunting multifaceted? Do we learn to tolerate or do we disparage.
I’d venture to say that hunting deer with dogs is the single most hated venue out there. But in some places it is legal and there are people whom really enjoy it. Does that make a person unethical or not measure up to the honorable standards set by some? Or in reality is it even a big deal?

Enjoy your time in the woods or field edge or over a water hole or even 100 yards off your favorite corn feeder. 😉
 
I’d venture to say that hunting deer with dogs is the single most hated venue out there. But in some places it is legal and there are people whom really enjoy it.
It is great fun if done correctly in an area suitable for it. Many people despise it because some people try to use dogs in the wrong places. Some people who hunt dogs are not very polite when it comes to private landowners. We had one maggot close to our farm who would put his dogs out on his aunt's 35 acres and let them run everywhere. He would also put dogs out on a public road so they could run through property for which he did not have permission and then try to shoot a deer the dogs ran on another public road. He got really aggressive when landowners suggested that what he was doing was not good. I think a few local laws were passed just because of him.

My club hunted on 10,000 - 15,000 acres of leased timberland and did not have to worry about running dogs across some neighbor's back yard. There was another club about the same size between us and most civilization. We did not bother anybody.

Done right, it can be a lot of fun. Perhaps it is not as effective as some might think, but it can still be fun. The deer still has most of the advantage. They are very good at losing the dogs and at crossing roads out of range of standers. Before I quite hunting with those folks, I would go up to the club to hear the chases but would go back to my place in the afternoon if I actually wanted to shoot a deer.

We have quite a few packs of dogs run across our place every hunting season. It is a hoot to watch the reaction of deer to those packs. Several times I have heard some dogs coming while deer are out in a field near my stand. The deer would wander back into the woods until the deer being chased and the dogs go through and then wander back out into the field as if nothing happened.

As more and more deer woods are converted to subdivisions, suitable places to run deer with dogs get fewer and fewer. There is a big subdivision of single family homes going up just across the swamp from my place. It used to be a favorite area for some of the local boys who had permission to hunt it. No more. Sad.
 
It is great fun if done correctly in an area suitable for it. Many people despise it because some people try to use dogs in the wrong places. Some people who hunt dogs are not very polite when it comes to private landowners. We had one maggot close to our farm who would put his dogs out on his aunt's 35 acres and let them run everywhere. He would also put dogs out on a public road so they could run through property for which he did not have permission and then try to shoot a deer the dogs ran on another public road. He got really aggressive when landowners suggested that what he was doing was not good. I think a few local laws were passed just because of him.

My club hunted on 10,000 - 15,000 acres of leased timberland and did not have to worry about running dogs across some neighbor's back yard. There was another club about the same size between us and most civilization. We did not bother anybody.

Done right, it can be a lot of fun. Perhaps it is not as effective as some might think, but it can still be fun. The deer still has most of the advantage. They are very good at losing the dogs and at crossing roads out of range of standers. Before I quite hunting with those folks, I would go up to the club to hear the chases but would go back to my place in the afternoon if I actually wanted to shoot a deer.

We have quite a few packs of dogs run across our place every hunting season. It is a hoot to watch the reaction of deer to those packs. Several times I have heard some dogs coming while deer are out in a field near my stand. The deer would wander back into the woods until the deer being chased and the dogs go through and then wander back out into the field as if nothing happened.

As more and more deer woods are converted to subdivisions, suitable places to run deer with dogs get fewer and fewer. There is a big subdivision of single family homes going up just across the swamp from my place. It used to be a favorite area for some of the local boys who had permission to hunt it. No more. Sad.
My greatest pass time when I was younger was running coon dogs. The hounds on a cool night bawling off in the distance is an experience not soon forgotten.
I absolutely loved it.
 
A few months ago, I trapped an opossum that was getting into my chicken coop and killing them. I went out in the back yard, pointed a handgun at its head and squeezed the trigger. It was the first time I ever used a firearm with the intent of taking a life. It changes you, even if it is subtle. I took no joy in doing so, but it was just one of those farm life tasks that needed doing.
That’s one thing that I’m glad I’ve never had an issue with.
 
That’s one thing that I’m glad I’ve never had an issue with.
Honest question, what do you mean? I don’t have a problem with hunting. I even want to raise meat chickens and would be willing to process them.

Its just that the first time you actually decide to terminate a life, that’s not something like an insect, it’s something that you realize you‘re doing and making a choice that has consequences.
 
Honest question, what do you mean? I don’t have a problem with hunting. I even want to raise meat chickens and would be willing to process them.

Its just that the first time you actually decide to terminate a life, that’s not something like an insect, it’s something that you realize you‘re doing and making a choice that has consequences.
In my life time I’ve killed 1000’s of animals, if it was a tough decision or something I had to overly analyze, I’d have starved. 😉

ps .. I trapped my first possum at 6 years old. They were easy to catch and I could trade the fur for a trap. One and a half Oneida long spring. Wasn’t long before I had a bunch of traps.
 
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I guess one can always move to Europe where the landowner owns the wildlife, what little they haven't killed off. Except on private estates where hunting is restricted to the elite upper class. If we eliminated all seasons and regulations on wildlife in a few years many species would be eradicated, just like they nearly were a hundred years ago. Many do not know that deer were actually trapped in other states and released in NC up into the 60's. And 30 years ago most of NC had no Wild Turkeys. Once again the sportsman stood up and literally raised millions of dollars to restore wild turkeys. Today, all 100 counties in NC have a wild turkey season.
Your understanding of European game management isn't very good. The landowner , as in the US , owns the owns his land. You cant just walk onto someones land and start blasting at critters. You have to get permission from the landowner. If the landowner says no ,you cant hunt there. If the landowner wants you to pay for the meat you take he can do that. He can do the same thing here. If you agree then you have made a deal with the landowner. The deer can leave the landowners property whenever they want. In most of Europe you can hunt on public land as well but you are going to pay the state for the meat you take which in turn pays for game management. And hunting in Europe for the most part really means sitting in a stand with the game warden telling you exactly which animal to harvest. Dont pull the trigger on the wrong deer.
 
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In my life time I’ve killed 1000’s of animals, if it was a tough decision or something I had to overly analyze, I’d have starved. 😉
And yet, can you understand or appreciate that for someone else, the first time you intentionally decide to take a life, that it is something that makes you contemplate. I’m not saying there is anything wrong with hunting, just that the decision to deliberately end a life changes who you are?
 
And yet, can you understand or appreciate that for someone else, the first time you intentionally decide to take a life, that it is something that makes you contemplate. I’m not saying there is anything wrong with hunting, just that the decision to deliberately end a life changes who you are?
I have no recollection of that but I am sure its what you have experienced.
 
I watched on opening day as 4 wheelers were flying up and down the highways with armed so called hunters. That to me made what those celebrities did look trivial. Opening day was hard for me to distinguish the countryside from Baltimore.
 
Honest question, what do you mean? I don’t have a problem with hunting. I even want to raise meat chickens and would be willing to process them.

Its just that the first time you actually decide to terminate a life, that’s not something like an insect, it’s something that you realize you‘re doing and making a choice that has consequences.
I actively participate in taking an animals life every time I put on a pair of shoes or go to McDonalds. Seriously take a trip through a slaughterhouse sometime.
 
I may have said it before but when it comes down to your view on poaching, stealing, cheating at cards, and life in general, it's all about ethics and morals. You either have them or you don't. It's really quite simple.
 
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