ATF Searchable Database of 4473s

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ATF confirmed they have a searchable database of almost a billion 4473s they've collected over the years.

I don't think this is legal... But, who's gonna stop them? And Schumer just started the process to double the ATFs budget!

 
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I'm not a member of GOA. And, I know that their headlines are often alarmist.

But, per the article I read, and linked above, it looks like an incomplete, but still huge, searchable database of 4473s.

Sounds like an illegal gun registry (albeit incomplete) to me...
 
It let's them know who to check on if a confiscation happens if anything. This isn't good no matter what. I will say I would be surprised if anyone didn't expect this.
 
Not sure if I should get too excited about this. I've got a permission slip from the government that allows me to carry concealed. They already know I'm a gun owner. With the confirmation of the database being searchable they also know about the guns I purchased in stores. I post pictures of my things up here so they know about the private party sales too if they care to look. Here's the thing they don't know...how many of the guns I sold for cash when money was tight, and how many I turned in to be destroyed at the local ghetto collection in exchange for $100 gift cards.
 
Something does not sound right, close to one billion 4473’s but the estimated number of guns owned by private individuals is around 400 million according to one source and the one billion records are only from stores that have gone out of business.

The numbers do not add up.
 
blewis3 said:
Something does not sound right, close to one billion 4473’s but the estimated number of guns owned by private individuals is around 400 million according to one source and the one billion records are only from stores that have gone out of business.

The numbers do not add up.
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I wondered same.
 
blewis3 said:
Something does not sound right, close to one billion 4473’s but the estimated number of guns owned by private individuals is around 400 million according to one source and the one billion records are only from stores that have gone out of business.

The numbers do not add up.
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Hmmm…

“We know what’s out there and we know who has them”….might be some sorta BS “scare” tactic…

Ain’t working….dicks.😂
 
blewis3 said:
Something does not sound right, close to one billion 4473’s but the estimated number of guns owned by private individuals is around 400 million according to one source and the one billion records are only from stores that have gone out of business.

The numbers do not add up.
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Probably got their paperwork intertwined


Operation Fast & Furious 1.jpg
 
what is the federal statute preventing a registry

can’t easily find and don’t think i’ve ever read the text

thanks in advance
 
Ya’ll dicks wanna do some searching?

How bout searching for the person(s) responsible for putting a weapon in the hands of Heraclio Osorio-Arellanes, who used it to murder USBP Agent Brian Terry….

shouldn’t have to search very far.😡
 
vp9c said:
what is the federal statute preventing a registry

can’t easily find and don’t think i’ve ever read the text

thanks in advance
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No such rule or regulation prescribed [by the Attorney General] after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.

www.concealedcarry.com

Are Guns Registered In The USA? 5 ATF Databases Exposed

When you purchase a gun, is the information recorded and stored somewhere? In other words, are guns registered when you buy them? The answer is complex..
www.concealedcarry.com
 
blewis3 said:
Something does not sound right, close to one billion 4473’s but the estimated number of guns owned by private individuals is around 400 million according to one source and the one billion records are only from stores that have gone out of business.

The numbers do not add up.
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One possibility is a gun being sold multiple times. We know how often guns change hands around here and some states require FFLs for transfers, so it will eventually add up.
 
The next step is to require 4473 for all private gun sales. I think Ray Charles can see what’s coming
 
blewis3 said:
Something does not sound right, close to one billion 4473’s but the estimated number of guns owned by private individuals is around 400 million according to one source and the one billion records are only from stores that have gone out of business.

The numbers do not add up.
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Digitizing of the records at the National Tracing Center. That is where records for closed FFLs go, along with records from traces. So, the same gun could be in there multiple times as multiple records. Heck, a single trace will have multiple records as it moved from manufacturer to distributor to dealer to buyer, possibly back to a dealer and to another buyer.
 
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blewis3 said:
Something does not sound right, close to one billion 4473’s but the estimated number of guns owned by private individuals is around 400 million according to one source and the one billion records are only from stores that have gone out of business.

The numbers do not add up.
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Must be quite a few guns that have been sold multiple times, all going through the 4473 process.

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blewis3 said:
Something does not sound right, close to one billion 4473’s but the estimated number of guns owned by private individuals is around 400 million according to one source and the one billion records are only from stores that have gone out of business.

The numbers do not add up.
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A lot of guns have been sold and FFLs gone out of business since 1968.

Terry
 
Gun registries are a joke and nothing but a cash grab for whoever attempts to manage the things. Canada scrapped theirs not too long ago. It cost billions and was mostly incorrect. It was a mess.
 
Elenaidan said:
After reading this, abolishing the AFT has never been higher on my list of political priorities.
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Abolishing?
How about abolishing and criminally prosecuting any agent who participated in these unconstitutional practices?
Seriously. If you want to talk about defunding the police, let's start with the BATFECES
 
ulflyer said:
If you have cc or permit and buy at a gun store, the 4473 only goes in the file drawer. Does not get sent to Feds.
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Unless that shop closes. A number of them did not survive the lack of available inventory the past two years.

I built a rifle a few years ago. The shop where I bought the lower closed. The feds have that 4473.
 
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fieldgrade said:
Unless that shop closes. A number of them did not survive the lack of available inventory the past two years.

I built a rifle a few years ago. The shop where I bought the lower closed. The feds have that 4473.
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Or if there is a trace on the gun later. They get a copy of the 4473 then.
 
Alabamacoastie said:
ATF confirmed they have a searchable database of almost a billion 4473s they've collected over the years.

I don't think this is legal... But, who's gonna stop them? And Schumer just started the process to double the ATFs budget!

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I just want everyone here who does not work at a LGS to realize that most of these 4473's that the BATFE has collected were willingly given to them by people buying the firearms.

At stores like Cabela's they have the whole process automated and overseen by a liaison or ATF compliance person who works in contract with the store. Any time a person fills out a 4473 on one of those computers, it is entered into the FBI NICS background check protocol (per normal gun store regulation) but it also is archived STRAIGHT into an ATF database that the store provides to the ATF as opposed to the paper hardcopy that most LGS provide being filed away somewhere in a cabinet.

Also, the BATFE performs regular audits at LGS around the country where their archivist flunkeys take record of the most recent 10,000 4473s filled out from the start date of the audit.

Lastly, to anyone who's ever read the fine print on the last two pages of the 4473 (which most people do not care to do as there is way too much legal jargon for the average jerk-off to understand) there is a section that states that any 4473 is property of the BATFE and is only being held by the store at which the firearm was being purchased. By signing the form after filling it out you willfully volunteer this info to the ATF that technically does not require a warrant for them to access like a local police department would.

This is all first hand knowledge, just for those of you who were not aware.
 
In addition to the writing of @IroquoisPliskin some states like Illinois have passed laws that allow local police to access 4473 records without a warrant. Chicago regularly sends the Cook County sheriff to the three gun stores closest to Chicago where they review store video and download records. All 4473 records in Illinois are the electronic variety. If a shop owner doesn't cooperate they lose their state license.

They've also made it necessary for every private (except family) transfer to go through a FFL, and records must be sent to the State Police.
They may not admit to it but you know darn well they have a searchable database for all legal transfers occurring after 2020.
 
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The BATFE, or whatever acronym they're using these days, has become the overbearing HOA of America.
 
Social media has become the new construct.
(Church was the first)

A searchable DB of 4473 + a verified social media account sounds like the perfect ingredients for vetting firearm owners.
 
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