Atlanta Cop Shooting

This is presenting as a justified shoot from all I am seeing
 
Based on those multiple camera angles, this is looking a lot more like a good shoot. It is certainly no “George Floyd”!
 
DrScaryGuy said:
I remember that one. people were a little grumpy.

One thing to take away from all this is that somebody somewhere is deciding which ones of these we're supposed to get mad about. and most of the time the ones they pick are complicated and will shake out in the end to show that the person who was shot was doing something that got them justifiably killed. Notice that the Breonna Taylor death was a perfect example of a killing we SHOULD have been outraged about from the get-go, but it was largely ignored an only added into the george floyd issue. and george floyd has a history of being a bad person and apparently had drugs on/in him at the time of his death.

Akai Gurley - ignored and the cop was convicted
Philando Castille - big news, but the death was ruled justifiable
Trayvon Martin - easily justifiable from the start, big news
Walter Scott - obviously a death sentence for contempt of cop, went mostly unnoticed.

A far-fetched conspiracy theory nut friend of mine (who also happens to be a black male) has long been saying that somebody is pulling the strings to keep the races divided. But now that it looks like the media are complicit in only whipping black people up into a frenzy over cases that will make white people think poorly about them, I may have to suck it up and tell him he's been right all along.
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they also seem to increase at election time !!!!!!!!!!
 
the guy deserved to be arrested. they already searched him for weapons before the sobriety test so they knew he didn’t have a gun.

with two officers on scene the guy was not an imminent threat to anyone’s life while running away even with the taser. a taser is the definition of less than lethal...if it was just one officer maybe since incapacitation could have allowed access to the officers gun.

my conclusions:
he was not a “good guy” or innocent but it was also not a “good shoot”
 
vp9c said:
the guy deserved to be arrested. they already searched him for weapons before the sobriety test so they knew he didn’t have a gun.

with two officers on scene the guy was not an imminent threat to anyone’s life while running away even with the taser. a taser is the definition of less than lethal...if it was just one officer maybe since incapacitation could have allowed access to the officers gun.

my conclusions:
he was not a “good guy” or innocent but it was also not a “good shoot”
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He beat on the cops heads, took their taser (May have thought it was the handgun), ran, turned to fire taser, and its not justified? Maybe someone should beat on your head, tase you, and see how you respond. Guess they should have got back in the car and cried. Damn.
 
The body cam makes a good case legally for the LEO ... they handled the situation with no profanity or hands on until Brooks started resisting and even after that while wrestling with him I didn’t hear slurs or such. My only question (which is pure armchair quarterbacking) is was stopping a fleeing man who you had his ID and such worth using a firearm. It started out as a misdemeanor DUI that escalated to resisting and fleeing along with discharging a one use taser (although it could still be used with direct contact). With the luxury of being able to not be in the situation making quick decisions ... to me it would have been better to chase and apprehend down the line due to circumstances and the fact the taser was not a distance weapon? This guy really posed little if any danger to the public if you picked him up with a neighborhood sweep once more units arrived or even the next day at his home. In this case I do not see the LEO had a racist agenda or was out to hurt the man ... he made a split second decision when facing a guy who fire a weapon, even though it was a less lethal weapon, at him. I’d almost guarantee once his head cleared Nd the adrenaline subsided he wished he’d chased further on foot with a greater unit response.
 
SPST said:
One reason that they may be a little slower and look over weight is that they are carrying around 40 lbs of equipment. Not all cops are invincible MMA submission artists. They are humans and no matter how bad one is, there's always someone else out there badder than you are. Some have been on the force for years and a 40+ year old officer kitted out is rarely going to outrun a 27 year old in a t-shirt and tennis shoes.
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No they’re not. Maybe a SWAT officer fully kitted out but your average street cops is certainly not carrying 40lbs of gear. 10-15 I would bet, maybe 20 if they’re and absolute gear queer.


And just to be clear, I’m solely commenting on the extreme overestimate of gear weight. Having seen the video....good shoot, I would have shot that piece of shit too.
 
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Looks like the officer that was draped on his back was holding back on that grip. I wonder how this would have went down a month ago.
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You can just smell the racism coming off of those cops... Not! Could they have handled it another way? Sure, there are always options and no one knows how they might work out so saying they shoulda' is ignorance personified.
 
Cowboy said:


Looks like the officer that was draped on his back was holding back on that grip. I wonder how this would have went down a month ago.
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what a shame if anything this guy was saying was true. He sounds like a nice guy and his demeanor completely unthreatening until he when ballistic at the DUI arrest. 0-100 just like that. Sterling taser? WTF was he thinking?

Also I gotta say that cop has some serious confidence taking shots after a ground fight, adrenaline at level 10 and firing toward perp with all those civilians nearby at drive thru.

from what I saw, this guy brought it upon himself, which is just a damn shame because he didn’t come across like some dangerous ghetto societal trash.
 
McDirkale said:
I can also tell you I have personally witnessed a 30 something, white female crackhead that weighed about 110 pounds soaking wet actually fight AND lift three police officers, weighing about 230 apiece (minus gear so add about 25 pounds to those weights) off the ground as she was lying on the ground on her stomach.

You guessed it, excited delirium, bad crack (cocaine) hit.

They were able to dose her with Narcan and within minutes she returned to this planet....

Excited delirium is a real thing. The body goes into serious overdrive, strength is multiplied many times over, judgement is non existent and the body will continue like that until the heart actually stops from over work and the resulting cardiac event.

If I'm not mistaken, Floyd showed many of these signs.
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Narcan doesn't do anything to a crackhead.
 
One thing I’m trying to figure out though,, which really was the point where (admittedly the perp) escalated things to 10 out of nowhere.

This guys intention may very well have been to do the “responsible thing” and NOt drive by instead choosing to pass out in a 24hr restaurant lot.

The restaurant called the cops however, which means they didn’t want him sleeping I. Their lot (fine) but could t the police have just told him he needs to call an Uber and scram? Bartenders do it all the time. An arrest for DUI while he was literally NOT driving but copping some ZZZs seems odd. If this is the case, unfortunately for the officer, that to me logically is the start point for the chain of escalation events (if predicated On a false DUI arrest)

I personally find “evading arrest” to be one of the most BS charges in existence. Evading a threat to your well being in engrained in millions of years of evolution. To the point I don’t see how it’s not a basic right in some weird way. Like WTF should really be expected to WANT to go to jail. For reasons mentioned above likely that DUI would have been in the trash in a few days, with the cost being on him. Stealing taser was was a dumb ass move.
 
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Derek8404 said:
No they’re not. Maybe a SWAT officer fully kitted out but your average street cops is certainly not carrying 40lbs of gear. 10-15 I would bet, maybe 20 if they’re and absolute gear queer.


And just to be clear, I’m solely commenting on the extreme overestimate of gear weight. Having seen the video....good shoot, I would have shot that piece of shit too.
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Some cops now wear plates. I know my son does even though he wears really expensive light weight ones, they are still pretty heavy.
 
Why would anyone submit to police commands now? They can't do anything to you if you tell them to F off now. If they use their taser on you they are going to get fired. I think they should all call in sick for a couple of weeks and let the politicians and social workers show them how it should be done.
 
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BlackGun said:
He beat on the cops heads, took their taser (May have thought it was the handgun), ran, turned to fire taser, and its not justified? Maybe someone should beat on your head, tase you, and see how you respond. Guess they should have got back in the car and cried. Damn.
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that’s fair. i would be able to articulate how pissed off i was but i don’t think i’d be able to articulate how i feared for my life to justify lethal force especially if i had an armed buddy with me and the guy was running away. i don’t think he was running to a superior tactical position to us the taser in a lethal fashion.

they should have called for backup, continued pursuit and apprehended with less than lethal force.
 
Sigequinox220 said:
One thing I’m trying to figure out though,, which really was the point where (admittedly the perp) escalated things to 10 out of nowhere.

This guys intention may very well have been to do the “responsible thing” and NOt drive by instead choosing to pass out in a 24hr restaurant lot.

The restaurant called the cops however, which means they didn’t want him sleeping I. Their lot (fine) but could t the police have just told him he needs to call an Uber and scram? Bartenders do it all the time. An arrest for DUI while he was literally NOT driving but copping some ZZZs seems odd. If this is the case, unfortunately for the officer, that to me logically is the start point for the chain of escalation events (if predicated On a false DUI arrest)

I personally find “evading arrest” to be one of the most BS charges in existence. Evading a threat to your well being in engrained in millions of years of evolution. To the point I don’t see how it’s not a basic right in some weird way. Like WTF should really be expected to WANT to go to jail. For reasons mentioned above likely that DUI would have been in the trash in a few days, with the cost being on him. Stealing taser was was a dumb ass move.
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My understanding was he passed out in the drive through....not just asleep in the parking lot. Drive through was blocked off because of him.
 
I know it’s the job, but I’d avoid rolling around with folks on the ground. One officer goes to handcuff the guy, the other has a weapon at the ready. Could be a taser, could be a baton, but something so that of he/she has to engage he/she can most likely end it right now.

The other idea, perhaps more creative, is to ask them to sit while you administer the breathalyzer. Tell them that you’re doing them a favor, that it tends to read a little lower that way. Gets them to the ground while everyone is being friendly.
 
mred20 said:
My understanding was he passed out in the drive through....not just asleep in the parking lot. Drive through was blocked off because of him.
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Keys in the ignition while passed out is also a DUI. (If it is not medical of course)
 
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vp9c said:
t...especially if i had an armed buddy with me ...
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No, you had a buddy with you who had just-then been "disarmed"... ...apparently relieved of his Taser, we now get to "assume" in hindsight. I wasn't rolling around on the asphalt with them, so I couldn't have known what the perp was pointing at me. Neither could most of us.
 
JimB said:
I know it’s the job, but I’d avoid rolling around with folks on the ground. One officer goes to handcuff the guy, the other has a weapon at the ready. Could be a taser, could be a baton, but something so that of he/she has to engage he/she can most likely end it right now.

The other idea, perhaps more creative, is to ask them to sit while you administer the breathalyzer. Tell them that you’re doing them a favor, that it tends to read a little lower that way. Gets them to the ground while everyone is being friendly.
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They aren't allowed to use the baton to the head and as already mentioned, tasers don't work on everyone especially people on drugs.
 
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vp9c said:
the guy deserved to be arrested. they already searched him for weapons before the sobriety test so they knew he didn’t have a gun.

with two officers on scene the guy was not an imminent threat to anyone’s life while running away even with the taser. a taser is the definition of less than lethal...if it was just one officer maybe since incapacitation could have allowed access to the officers gun.

my conclusions:
he was not a “good guy” or innocent but it was also not a “good shoot”
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posts like this are why the forum needs a “dislike” button......
 
In a court of law the driver was allowed to operate his vehicle once awakened and by doing so the officer made the judgement the driver was sober. Any charges at that point would have been thrown out of court. Sadly the driver, a decent man in my judgement, panicked at being cuffed and paid with his life. A much better alternative would have the officer taking the driver’s keys and having the car towed.
 
OldNascar said:
In a court of law the driver was allowed to operate his vehicle once awakened and by doing so the officer made the judgement the driver was sober. Any charges at that point would have been thrown out of court. Sadly the driver, a decent man in my judgement, panicked at being cuffed and paid with his life. A much better alternative would have the officer taking the driver’s keys and having the car towed.
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Do what now?..........
 
I wonder if Rayshard had any previous DUI's or anything else? I wonder if either of these officers have dealt with him before?
 
Derek8404 said:
Still not be be 40lbs....
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Vest ... 8 lbs
Full sized loaded side arm ... 2.5 lbs
Backup firearm (many LEO’s carry a 2nd smaller handgun) ... 1.5 lbs
Extra fully loaded mags ... 2 lbs
Taser ... 2lbs
Pepper Spray ... 0.5lbs
Collapse baton ... 1 lb
Handcuffs (2 pair) ... 1.5 lbs
Radio & mic ... 3 lbs
Flashlight ... 0.5 lbs
Body Cam ... 1.5 lbs
Cellphone ... 0.5 lbs
Sam Brown duty belt with holster and gear pouches (that belt empty weighs more than you think) ... 5 lbs

It is not 40lbs but that stuff ain’t light either ... that’s at least 29.5 lbs and I’m not counting other miscellaneous gear like first aid gear, PPE, keys, etc. Some wear steel toed shoes/boots which are a 1 lb or so heavier than regular Nike’s. Think about it from a movement standpoint ... over 20 lbs is hanging around your waist and another 8 lbs top heavy ... it is not a picnic for a 12 hour shift (getting in and out of a vehicle ... driving ... etc) much less trying to sprint with gear bouncing and you trying to adjust your balance. At the end of a shift your kidneys and back ache ...
 
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phideux said:
Narcan doesn't do anything to a crackhead.
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Thanks to you.
I'm sure he's just remembering incorrectly, but the pharmacologist living inside my brain who worked in a cocaine lab wanted to say something about opioid antagonists not really having much of an effect on a DAT inhibitor.
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SPST said:
They aren't allowed to use the baton to the head and as already mentioned, tasers don't work on everyone especially people on drugs.
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Yeah, not to the head. A hit to the leg or arm may slow someone down. The show of force, the weapon n hand, may have discouraged this guy from fighting, who knows.
 
JimB said:
Yeah, not to the head. A hit to the leg or arm may slow someone down. The show of force, the weapon n hand, may have discouraged this guy from fighting, who knows.
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If a taser didn't I don't think a few taps on the legs and elbows would phase him much either.
 
JimB said:
Yeah, not to the head. A hit to the leg or arm may slow someone down. The show of force, the weapon n hand, may have discouraged this guy from fighting, who knows.
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My son calls his baton "Mr Act Right" he says a blow to the elbow or knee persuades most perps to act right.
 
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