Atlanta Cop Shooting

Vest ... 8 lbs
Full sized loaded side arm ... 2.5 lbs
Backup firearm (many LEO’s carry a 2nd smaller handgun) ... 1.5 lbs
Extra fully loaded mags ... 2 lbs
Taser ... 2lbs
Pepper Spray ... 0.5lbs
Collapse baton ... 1 lb
Handcuffs (2 pair) ... 1.5 lbs
Radio & mic ... 3 lbs
Flashlight ... 0.5 lbs
Body Cam ... 1.5 lbs
Cellphone ... 0.5 lbs
Sam Brown duty belt with holster and gear pouches (that belt empty weighs more than you think) ... 5 lbs

It is not 40lbs but that stuff ain’t light either ... that’s at least 29.5 lbs and I’m not counting other miscellaneous gear like first aid gear, PPE, keys, etc. Some wear steel toed shoes/boots which are a 1 lb or so heavier than regular Nike’s. Think about it from a movement standpoint ... over 20 lbs is hanging around your waist and another 8 lbs top heavy ... it is not a picnic for a 12 hour shift (getting in and out of a vehicle ... driving ... etc) much less trying to sprint with gear bouncing and you trying to adjust your balance. At the end of a shift your kidneys and back ache ...

First off, I think you are seriously overestimating your weights on the items, but whatever, we can go back an forth on that all day and it it doesn’t really matter...next, you’re not eliciting any sympathy out of me with all your talk about how heavy their gear is and sitting in the car.......they carry “heavy(ish)” shit, I get it, it’s also their job......go to the damn gym and make sure you can do your perform when you need to....

One day, before I stepped off on a mission to raid a insurgent compound in Fallujah, out of curiosity I stepped on a scale before and after knitting up.... I was right about 90lbs with kit and weapons. I assure you I know a thing or 2 about wearing gear.........
 
Vest ... 8 lbs
Full sized loaded side arm ... 2.5 lbs
Backup firearm (many LEO’s carry a 2nd smaller handgun) ... 1.5 lbs
Extra fully loaded mags ... 2 lbs
Taser ... 2lbs
Pepper Spray ... 0.5lbs
Collapse baton ... 1 lb
Handcuffs (2 pair) ... 1.5 lbs
Radio & mic ... 3 lbs
Flashlight ... 0.5 lbs
Body Cam ... 1.5 lbs
Cellphone ... 0.5 lbs
Sam Brown duty belt with holster and gear pouches (that belt empty weighs more than you think) ... 5 lbs

It is not 40lbs but that stuff ain’t light either ... that’s at least 29.5 lbs and I’m not counting other miscellaneous gear like first aid gear, PPE, keys, etc. Some wear steel toed shoes/boots which are a 1 lb or so heavier than regular Nike’s. Think about it from a movement standpoint ... over 20 lbs is hanging around your waist and another 8 lbs top heavy ... it is not a picnic for a 12 hour shift (getting in and out of a vehicle ... driving ... etc) much less trying to sprint with gear bouncing and you trying to adjust your balance. At the end of a shift your kidneys and back ache ...

*laughs in any tradesman field*
 
First off, I think you are seriously overestimating your weights on the items, but whatever, we can go back an forth on that all day and it it doesn’t really matter...next, you’re not eliciting any sympathy out of me with all your talk about how heavy their gear is and sitting in the car.......they carry “heavy(ish)” shit, I get it, it’s also their job......go to the damn gym and make sure you can do your perform when you need to....

One day, before I stepped off on a mission to raid a insurgent compound in Fallujah, out of curiosity I stepped on a scale before and after knitting up.... I was right about 90lbs with kit and weapons. I assure you I know a thing or 2 about wearing gear.........
The question was, why can't they run and catch the guy. That's why the gear weight questions came up. And I bet you didn't chase down any 27 year olds in tshirts and Nikes with 90 extra lbs on you either? Just like you probably wouldn't have been able to outrun them with 40 extra lbs on.
 
He was sitting in traffic, engine running, car in gear, passed out at the wheel and you think this wasn't a DWI?:eek:
The video I saw (which it what the officer saw) was a guy sleeping in a car parked in a parking spot at which point the police officer wakes him up and it is determined he is likely drunk... that’s From officers body cam.
 
Behind the wheel and running = DUI in NC

the car was still running? And that’s some ball breaking BS. If Im in my car in my driveway listening to music drunk I can get a DUI?

if that’s true, the police shouldnt be surprised when folks try to tase them for ruining their life. It’s a job. These days I don’t see them as anything else other than a person like anyone else. The protections they have are a recipe for resentment and spite by the public. I don’t think a police officer would like if I tried to detain or tase them for drinking I. Their driveway.

these are the kind of BS legal shenanigans where you can just substitute “guns” into the concept and we would all be up in arms.
 
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The video I saw (which it what the officer saw) was a guy sleeping in a car parked in a parking spot at which point the police officer wakes him up and it is determined he is likely drunk... that’s From officers body cam.
That was the second time they woke him up after they had him move his car from the drive thru lane to a parking space.
 
That was the second time they woke him up after they had him move his car from the drive thru lane to a parking space.

10-4. Just saw the 1 video posted back a few. Personally I’m over all this hyperbolic reaction BS. This isn’t an open closed shooting. But it doesn’t seem to exceed what would likely be part of the normal internal review and legal process. But national news and riots? That just don’t make sense.
 
Other than there being a difference between staying in your driveway and going out on public roads inebriated, I agree.

there’s times where I’ll be out and my wife is the one planning to drive back but I’ll go hop In The car to take or make a call etc. I often turn on the car if extreme temperatures (winter or summer). If I got arrested for DUI. I’d probably try fighting that A-hole too. But I wouldn’t expect y’all to riot if I get shot (not that I think I should be shot in a man-to-man quarre w/ 2 on 1).

I’m not defending this dude or the police. From video it appears at the point which shots were fired it could potentially be justified. I just wonder if it really needed to be escalated to an arrest. And when you about to f$&k up someone’s life, it shouldn’t be surprising when they resist.

most police honestly make the craft of cuffing look almost magical. These guys clearly have not mastered that craft. Remember the guy who bashed in door with flying drop kick to that psycho who was about to shoot the female cop with her own gun? THAT guy knew how to handle his $h!&.
 
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there’s times where I’ll be out and my wife is the one planning to drive back but I’ll go hop In The car to take or make a call etc. I often turn on the car if extreme temperatures (winter or summer). If I got arrested for DUI. I’d probably try fighting that A-hole too. But I wouldn’t expect y’all to riot if I get shot (not that I think I should be shot in a man-to-man quarre w/ 2 on 1).

I’m not defending this dude or the police. From video it appears at the point which shots were fired it could potentially be justified. I just wonder if it really needed to be escalated to an arrest. And when you about to f$&k up someone’s life, it shouldn’t be surprising when they resist.

most police honestly make the craft of cuffing look almost magical. These guys clearly have not mastered that craft. Remember the guy who bashed in door with flying drop kick to that psycho who was about to shoot the female cop with her own gun? THAT guy knew how to handle his $h!&.

Sit in the passenger seat while the car is running.
 
Sit in the passenger seat while the car is running.

definitely a good call. But the fact that I’m not supposed to only makes me want to do it more. Yes, rebellion is a childish behavior that has not yet matured into adulthood for me, I know. But it is what it is. This eats away at my soul. At 32, it may be a flaw I never outgrow.
 
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there’s times where I’ll be out and my wife is the one planning to drive back but I’ll go hop In The car to take or make a call etc. I often turn on the car if extreme temperatures (winter or summer). If I got arrested for DUI. I’d probably try fighting that A-hole too. ...
Sit in the passenger seat while the car is running.

You'd lose the case. If you have the keys and are in the car, you're the operator when they find you. I think people have even gone down for being in the car without even starting it... It's hard to fight a prosecutor with unlimited funds.
 
Anyone conflating less-lethal with non-lethal is wrong both on a “use-of-continuum analysis” and on a legal basis for justifying a shoot.

That comment is not meant to be confrontational to anyone in particular. These terms have specific meanings.

Less-lethal =\= non-lethal.

Intermediate impact weapons (ASPs/batons/rubber bullets/bean bags) and ECDs (tasers) are considered less-lethal force on the average person, in the proper environment, and deployed correctly. They are not “non-lethal.” They are not incapable of justifying a shoot if turned against an officer or a third party.

A baton can be a deadly threat. If you would shoot someone approaching you with a bat or a tire iron, you would shoot someone with a baton. But, the baton is, categorically, “less-lethal” in the LE force continuum. That’s not because of its inherent nature or its capability for harm, but because of how it is supposed to be deployed by LE: meat of the thigh to induce pain compliance and disrupt ambulation, or as a standoff device for crowd control. A baton to the temple or neck (hell, a punch to the same spots) can very, very well be severely incapacitating or lethal. And, there is a 0.0% chance the perp with a commandeered baton is going to have attended annual in-service for defensive tactics.

Same with a taser. A taser deployment to the face can cause grave bodily harm. A close range taser to the throat can cause grave bodily harm. A drivestun to the head or neck will mess you up. All those roads lead to incapacitation.

An incapacitated officer is a free gun and a set of keys to a gun safe on wheels.

The rules of the street are simple: if you don’t want to get shot, don’t escalate a fight by pulling an incapacitating weapon out on an officer. Cops don’t play “meet force with the same force;” they play “use the next step up to shut the fight down and prevent it from hurting third parties.”
 
Vest ... 8 lbs
Full sized loaded side arm ... 2.5 lbs
Backup firearm (many LEO’s carry a 2nd smaller handgun) ... 1.5 lbs
Extra fully loaded mags ... 2 lbs
Taser ... 2lbs
Pepper Spray ... 0.5lbs
Collapse baton ... 1 lb
Handcuffs (2 pair) ... 1.5 lbs
Radio & mic ... 3 lbs
Flashlight ... 0.5 lbs
Body Cam ... 1.5 lbs
Cellphone ... 0.5 lbs
Sam Brown duty belt with holster and gear pouches (that belt empty weighs more than you think) ... 5 lbs

It is not 40lbs but that stuff ain’t light either ... that’s at least 29.5 lbs and I’m not counting other miscellaneous gear like first aid gear, PPE, keys, etc. Some wear steel toed shoes/boots which are a 1 lb or so heavier than regular Nike’s. Think about it from a movement standpoint ... over 20 lbs is hanging around your waist and another 8 lbs top heavy ... it is not a picnic for a 12 hour shift (getting in and out of a vehicle ... driving ... etc) much less trying to sprint with gear bouncing and you trying to adjust your balance. At the end of a shift your kidneys and back ache ...

Maybe the police need mandatory PT to stay in the shape need work their shift?
 
The Atlanta DA is floating a felony murder charge on the cop. Don't know anything about the why, but he seemed to rush getting this out to the public.

"Paul Howard, the Fulton County district attorney, said Sunday that the 27-year-old black man who was fatally shot during an encounter with two white officers “did not seem to present any threat to anyone” and charges could come as soon as Wednesday."
 
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Just saw the video. Completely un justified. Cop should have either let him go and got him at a later time or chased him down. You can't hide. He posed no danger to the cop. Also though, play stupid games win stupid prizes.
 
I haven't seen the video, but I don't see a guy shooting a taser at a cop any different than an unarmed guy rushing a cop disobeying commands to stop. Both earn a bullet, because they are clearly hostile attacks that if successful most likely lead to the perp obtaining the cop's firearm.
 
@Sigequinox220 mentioned the line of cars - watching the video I was surprised that, yeah ,this was right beside the drive through line and all those folks that were potentially in harms way.
Wild.

The video posted yesterday was about 6 minutes long, edited down, was he searched before they went to cuff him?

That switch really flipped when the cuffs touched, he had seemed so cool and calm (cool as in relaxed, not badass), and WOW what an instant change
 
WTF is this "I got him" thing? Like i've said before, I think they should have taken different actions instead of shooting the guy. The taser is not a ranged weapon and they did pat him down earlier.

I've watched the video several times (including the more complete video below) and never heard the officer say this. Even if he did, context would be really important.

https://www.newsweek.com/i-got-him-first-word-fired-officer-shooting-rayshard-brooks-1510849

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11863384/rayshard-brooks-garrett-rolfe-wendys-atlanta-police/

This is pretty crazy. They make it sound like the cop was thumping his chest with his foot on the trophy kill screaming "I GOT HIM!!!" looking for high fives. The cop asked about the victims condition at least 3 times that I heard, and it didn't seem like he was asking to see if he go full points for the kill...


 
On a side note, 2 weeks ago a man was shot and killed at the Wendy’s drive thru in Dunn. Moral to the story? Don’t go through Wendy’s drive thru’s. The 4 for 4 isn’t worth your life unless your hungry and low on cash.
I beg to differ, 4 Jay Bee Cees is worth much more than my life.
 
Was the guy drunk enough that he thought he had a gun instead of a taser? Who uses a taser at that distance?

Lots of questions...

None of the "questions" matter anymore. This will be a political prosecution to serve a variety of new masters. Just the way it's going to be, at least for a while now.
 
Anyone that's going to go hands on with two armed cops, and takes a weapon from one of them, is most certainly a threat to everyone

Not to the degree that they should be shot no. He didn't take a firearm and the taser is non lethal. That cop is going to prison. Again, they guy was driving drunk and resisting arrest, he needs to go to jail not the cemetery.
 
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I saw this one a little differently. The initial officer (Cop 1) did not use the appropriate level of force initially. The current political climate has made cops question their initial intuition and back off more than they should. Instead of popping the combative subject who had already assaulted two officers with the taser probes and ending the situation, he tried to contact stun him on the leg to gain compliance. That allowed subject to continue fighting, gain control of his taser and take off running. Backup officer (Cop 2) chased and saw a fleeing individual turn and point a gun like object at him with a flashlight on the bottom of it. Taser appears to be the bright yellow version, but at night with a flashlight pointed at you while running after having been in a ground fight, completely reasonable for that to scream gun. Cop 2 saw what he believed to be a gun and took appropriate action. Yes they patted him down at the start of the encounter, but there is always at least one gun in a police encounter....two in this case. I bet when the statements and details come out on this one, Cop 2 didn't even know it was a taser. I bet he thought the suspect got ahold of cop 1's gun during the scuffle and feared for his life / innocent bystanders.

The appropriateness of an officers actions are judged by the information he had at the time he made the decision, so when all the details are in, I believe this one will be ruled a good shoot. God Help Atlanta when the grand jury no bills him
 
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Not to the degree that they should be shot no. He didn't take a firearm and the taser is non lethal. That cop is going to prison. Again, they guy was driving drunk and resisting arrest, he needs to go to jail not the cemetery.
Stupid games....
 
Cops just need to quit responding to calls altogether for a few weeks. Just let all the wannabe operators and thugs do whatever they want for a while. I'm sure the Mayor of Atlanta and her social workers will be able to handle it all with no problems.
 
In all this it's, unfortunately, not going to be a fair outcome either way.

By no means am I armchair quarterbacking but some lessons can come from this. I am old....I am not a sprinter anymore. I used situations like this to ask the person to walk back over to their car around the trunk area. I would sit something insignificant down on the trunk like my notebook or something and carry on with conversation. My partner would approach also and take person from behind. If a fight started at last there was a solid, immovable object that the person can't run through and two people pinning you against that object usually won it.

I'm disgusted by the department's and the DAs actions so far. Guess the whole investigation step had been skipped.
 
No need for investigations. All cops are bad and in the wrong. All perps are choir boys and loving father's just wanting to go to their kids birthday party. Fire or jail the cops, free and worship all perps. Problem solved.
 
Saw this morning that the death was ruled a homicide and they are thinking about charging officer with murder.
 
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