Atlanta Cop Shooting

No need for investigations. All cops are bad and in the wrong. All perps are choir boys and loving father's just wanting to go to their kids birthday party. Fire or jail the cops, free and worship all perps. Problem solved.
Come on, you know they take care of their own! Wink wink.
 
Not to the degree that they should be shot no. He didn't take a firearm and the taser is non lethal. That cop is going to prison. Again, they guy was driving drunk and resisting arrest, he needs to go to jail not the cemetery.

The victim choose to escalate the confrontation. It’s always easy to second guess any action after the fact. If the guy got away and stole a car and ran into a crowd of innocent people we would question why the cops didn’t do more to stop him.
 
The victim choose to escalate the confrontation. It’s always easy to second guess any action after the fact. If the guy got away and stole a car and ran into a crowd of innocent people we would question why the cops didn’t do more to stop him.

...or use the taser on the officer, and attempt to get his gun. There's a dozen ways that could have gone sideways.
 
For 30 years now our young have been taught that they have no responsibility for their actions. It will get worse before it gets better.

It's not just black culture saying this either. Just look through some of these threads. We have at least one guy that talks crap about everything cop even on the good Threads. "Police officer commended for saving woman's life during traffic stop after getting stung by bee" That MF shouldn't have been trying to fill the King's coffers and this would have never happened. Blah blah blah. If we don't like our system change it. I have far more respect for people like AOC than a bunch of Internet flunkies to afraid to do something righteous for their beliefs. A voice of reason seems to fall to the wayside these days.
 
It's not just black culture saying this either. Just look through some of these threads. We have at least one guy that talks crap about everything cop even on the good Threads. "Police officer commended for saving woman's life during traffic stop after getting stung by bee" That MF shouldn't have been trying to fill the King's coffers and this would have never happened. Blah blah blah. If we don't like our system change it. I have far more respect for people like AOC than a bunch of Internet flunkies to afraid to do something righteous for their beliefs. A voice of reason seems to fall to the wayside these days.
Agencies can't fill the vacancies fast enough. Some folks should go in and fix the "corrupt" system.
 
What happened to the last couple of post???
The only one I see missing is a double-post, where McDirkdale deleted the second one.
 
From experience..... NEVER assume someone else has frisked a suspect. I once took a Baby Browning .25 off a suspect that had been in 2 other Officers custody before he came to me. It was loaded and a round chambered....... The film I saw, which showed the instant before the cop shot showed the perp twisting around and leveling a gun shaped object at the officer and I saw a flash come from the object. Had I been the cop I would have shot him also.

Mistakes?? Oh hell yea!! First we don't negotiate with the suspect about taking the breathalyzer. He either takes it or we go to jail, NOW. When you need to handcuff someone don't pussy foot around doing it. Make it swift and certain, no 2 ways about it. It should take less than 3 seconds to place someone in cuffs, more time gives them a moment to think about it. Once you have one hand cuffed and he breaks loose he is now armed with a deadly weapon attached to his other wrist.

The cop is going to have a tough row to hoe but I hope a Grand Jury returns a no bill and ATL burns to the ground.
 
And like someone said upstream, Rayshard carjacks someone with the cops taser and then his drunk ass kills a family on the highway. Oh my God, why didn't the cops stop him!

based on “logic“ like that everyone should be killed at a traffic stop because they might leave the traffic stop and go directly to a daycare and slaughter cook and eat all of the children there
 
Not to the degree that they should be shot no. He didn't take a firearm and the taser is non lethal. That cop is going to prison. Again, they guy was driving drunk and resisting arrest, he needs to go to jail not the cemetery.

I'm sure you think they should have just let let walk home too.
 
based on “logic“ like that everyone should be killed at a traffic stop because they might leave the traffic stop and go directly to a daycare and slaughter cook and eat all of the children there
Based on your logic, we should just let drunks (who just fought with police and took a weapon) drive off and go home?
 
based on “logic“ like that everyone should be killed at a traffic stop because they might leave the traffic stop and go directly to a daycare and slaughter cook and eat all of the children there

Well, that really doesn't apply here, either. But I get the point you are trying to make. I think if the guy had not grabbed the taser, then LTL applies. But grabbing a taser is tantamount to grabbing a weapon, so lethal force may be warranted.
 
Not to the degree that they should be shot no. He didn't take a firearm and the taser is non lethal. That cop is going to prison. Again, they guy was driving drunk and resisting arrest, he needs to go to jail not the cemetery.
This drunk guy didn't have a Taser. He had a rock.

https://meaww.com/police-officer-ho...lled-with-his-own-gun-while-arresting-suspect

A police officer from Weymouth Police Department in Massachusetts was shot and killed by his own service weapon by a man who eventually went on to use the same gun to kill an elderly woman inside her own home, according to reports. 42-year-old Michael Chesna was reportedly shot on duty while responding to a call of an erratic driver. Chesna found a crashed BMW and a suspect who was vandalizing a home in Weymouth. The officer drew his service weapon and asked the perpetrator to stop.

The 20-year-old suspect, who was identified as Emanuel Lopes, reportedly threw a rock at the officer's head, which made him unconscious. Norfolk District Attorney Michael Morrissey said that Lopes then grabbed the officer's gun and shot him repeatedly in the head and chest, at least 10 times, according to the Associated Press.
 
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Saw this morning that the death was ruled a homicide and they are thinking about charging officer with murder.

That had to be the cause of death, homicide is the death at the hands of another person. Whether or not it was justified is for the courts to sort out. But, there is no doubt it was indeed a homicide.
 
That is truly sad to watch.

George Floyd had lots of personal responsibility for what happened. Meth, fentanyl, resisting arrest all of those things put him belly down knee on the neck. The officer actions after all of that were uncalled for on a compliant subject.
The guy in Atlanta speaks for itself.

Daniel Shaver had done nothing wrong that night except drinking in his hotel room with a woman that wasn't his wife. I have a serious emotional response to that case after knowing all that happened. Before, during the shooting, before trial and after trial.
 
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It has been almost 30 years since I rode armed with S.C.H.P and Georgetown County Narcotics. It's amazing how much has changed. 30 years ago in this area if that man had been confronted and taken a field sobriety test that turned out like his did. The officer would most likely have said something like....Listen man, you're not drunk outta your mind but you are Not leaving here in that car. Let's go call somebody to come get you. Remember what I'm doing to help you tonight, you won't get this break next time.

BUT times have changed, the officers that I knew then were veterans with many years of experience. I suppose we have passed on those times and those men. Some things were better 30 years ago. One of those things was respect for law enforcement. Folks are being raised by disrespectful animals teaching disrespect.

F#^& with the Bull and you'll get the horns.
 
It has been almost 30 years since I rode armed with S.C.H.P and Georgetown County Narcotics. It's amazing how much has changed. 30 years ago in this area if that man had been confronted and taken a field sobriety test that turned out like his did. The officer would most likely have said something like....Listen man, you're not drunk outta your mind but you are Not leaving here in that car. Let's go call somebody to come get you. Remember what I'm doing to help you tonight, you won't get this break next time.

BUT times have changed, the officers that I knew then were veterans with many years of experience. I suppose we have passed on those times and those men. Some things were better 30 years ago. One of those things was respect for law enforcement. Folks are being raised by disrespectful animals teaching disrespect.

F#^& with the Bull and you'll get the horns.

One of the single biggest differences in these two situations has nothing to do with race,age, or even anything inside the departments. It's M.A.D.D., S.A.D., it's a National outcry for body cams and god knows what other outside influences. The point is it's outside pressure of OMG like he let that person go, What IF!
It seems to me that the What if's have caught up to the WTF did you want me to do's.
 
One of the single biggest differences in these two situations has nothing to do with race,age, or even anything inside the departments. It's M.A.D.D., S.A.D., it's a National outcry for body cams and god knows what other outside influences. The point is it's outside pressure of OMG like he let that person go, What IF!
It seems to me that the What if's have caught up to the WTF did you want me to do's.

Different times, and different places I know...but this reminds me of tales my dad told me of growing up in the outskirts of Atlanta in the 50s/60s. They had a beat cop in their neighborhood that everyone knew. If he caught you doing something stupid, he would take his lanyard off and whip your butt with it, drag you home, and then your parents would get their turn. 50/60 years later, and the moment a police officer even remotely touches someone its a lawsuit waiting to happen. I cant even imagine the outrage Karens across the country would have if Officer Friendly were to paddle a kid for misbehaving badly in public.
 
Different times, and different places I know...but this reminds me of tales my dad told me of growing up in the outskirts of Atlanta in the 50s/60s. They had a beat cop in their neighborhood that everyone knew. If he caught you doing something stupid, he would take his lanyard off and whip your butt with it, drag you home, and then your parents would get their turn. 50/60 years later, and the moment a police officer even remotely touches someone its a lawsuit waiting to happen. I cant even imagine the outrage Karens across the country would have if Officer Friendly were to paddle a kid for misbehaving badly in public.
It would be a freaking nightmare man. You should see the Karen's over this shooting saying,"Well they shot him in the back! You explain how you shoot someone in the back running away. Why do they get to play GOD??" That is paraphrasing but is one woman's argument on Facebook today. Of course no facts or reason can change that person.
 
It has been almost 30 years since I rode armed with S.C.H.P and Georgetown County Narcotics. It's amazing how much has changed. 30 years ago in this area if that man had been confronted and taken a field sobriety test that turned out like his did. The officer would most likely have said something like....Listen man, you're not drunk outta your mind but you are Not leaving here in that car. Let's go call somebody to come get you. Remember what I'm doing to help you tonight, you won't get this break next time.

BUT times have changed, the officers that I knew then were veterans with many years of experience. I suppose we have passed on those times and those men. Some things were better 30 years ago. One of those things was respect for law enforcement. Folks are being raised by disrespectful animals teaching disrespect.

F#^& with the Bull and you'll get the horns.

i feel like 2 fundamental problems exist today. (1) that police are not really part of the community—Maybe some pockets left in very rural areas but even “the burbs” these days has grown to point where interaction is almost entirely with strangers.

(2) that policing has become a commercialized business. And this is very intertwined with #1...in ideal setting, people should be waving hello to the police, but in reality, including myself, the sight of a police officer immediately presents anxiety ::hit breaks, check seat belt, check speedometer, make sure lights are on, ...::. And that’s because their days of what most would interpret as “policing” has turned into ball breaking legal harassment to garner revenue for counties and states. In some cases as systematically as setting up speed traps, DUI checkpoints, etc.

I remember driving home from dinner one night (had 1 rum and coke). As we waited in line at DUI checkpoint traffic I was like “it’s fine I only had one” and my wife was responded “Are you stupid? Do NOT tell him you had a drink”. I agreed upon reflection. I didn’t have to lie because he didn’t ask, but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t have had to if I didn’t want to get pulled over to the side area where they would proceed to inspect my butthole. That is NOT normal. Well, it is normal, but it’s not how it SHOULD be.

something is inherently wrong when ordinary folks who have done no wrong need to worry about whether they will owe The Man $200 or worse have their life upended.

timea have definitely changed indeed.
 
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