BRAIN LOCK - DID I GET A STAMP?

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I have 4 suppressors and 3 SBRs that are all properly registered and blessed by the ATF.

3 of the suppressors were bought from Scott @TARHEELSTATE and he took (excellent) care of the paperwork via my trust. For those 3 cans, I am able to put my hands on a physical stamped approval. Meaning an actual hard copy stamp stuck to the paper.

For the 4th suppressor, and all 3 SBRs, I registered the Form 1 and submitted everything myself via EFile. I have printed copies of the approvals, but can't put my hands on the physical stamp.

Do Form 1 approvals (or maybe it's Efile that's the hook) not get a physical stamp or have I misplaced them?

You'd think I'd remember, but I'm getting old and feeble minded.
 
BurnedOutGeek said:
For E-filed form 1's, I have never got a physical copy of the stamp from ATF. I just saved them to Google drive in case they're needed for whatever reason.
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Thanks. I have several printed copies and have the file saved to disk, but just couldn't remember if I was supposed to have stamps as well. This cleaning out my shop business is a PIA!
 
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I’ve always been curious about the need to maintain the stamps for legal purposes. Isn’t my obligation to pay the tax? If I have paid it isn’t it LE’s burden to prove that I did not of that is what they believe? Simply having a suppressor, or a machine gun, doesn’t seem to be probable cause to ask me to produce papers. Unless there is specific law saying that I must produce the stamp, then I’m going to stop dragging them around.

Now power-hungry RO’s is a different issue.

@BigWaylon you have insight?
 
JimB said:
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I’ve always been curious about the need to maintain the stamps for legal purposes. Isn’t my obligation to pay the tax? If I have paid it isn’t it LE’s burden to prove that I did not of that is what they believe? Simply having a suppressor, or a machine gun, doesn’t seem to be probable cause to ask me to produce papers. Unless there is specific law saying that I must produce the stamp, then I’m going to stop dragging them around.

Now power-hungry RO’s is a different issue.

@BigWaylon you have insight?
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I'm with you. I no longer carry copies of the stamps around, though I do have access to them on the phone. This question was all about my current effort as housekeeping and cleaning up my shop.
 
I also did not get a physical stamp when I got my sbr Form 1
 
JimB said:
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I’ve always been curious about the need to maintain the stamps for legal purposes. Isn’t my obligation to pay the tax? If I have paid it isn’t it LE’s burden to prove that I did not of that is what they believe? Simply having a suppressor, or a machine gun, doesn’t seem to be probable cause to ask me to produce papers. Unless there is specific law saying that I must produce the stamp, then I’m going to stop dragging them around.

Now power-hungry RO’s is a different issue.

@BigWaylon you have insight?
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To answer the original topic...no original stamp mailed if using EForms. All that exists is the PDF with a digital stamp, even if that technically doesn’t meet the regulations.

The forms themselves say:

Proof of Registration: A person possessing a firearm registered as required by the NFA shall retain proof of registration which shall be made available to any ATF officer upon request.

Notice it only says “ATF officer” and it also doesn’t say “immediately” or “on the spot”, etc.

So at a federal level, you don’t have to show them to anybody. The stamp is simply a receipt for a tax paid and the form is proof of registration.

I’ve never shown a stamp to anybody unless it was an educational situation. Usually at gun shows when I worked the booth for THSF. Occasionally at a range or somewhere else due to a conversation with another shooter. I do have digital PDFs on my phone. I also have a binder with printed copies that just stays in my range bag. For both of those, it’s nothing but page one...since that has stamp, ATF signature and serial number. On the paper copies. I have them printed with two forms on one sheet paper, p1 of one on the front and p1 of another on the back, just to cut down on the bulk.

Now...you will run into two common situations.

1. Ranges. Some places want to see the paperwork. They often don’t really even know what they’re looking at. Their range, their rules. You can laugh at them and walk off. You can tell them they don’t need to see it anymore than that need to see the registration for the vehicle you drove there. Or you can show it and shoot.

2. State/local laws. Many states have restrictions on NFA weapons. Here in NC they’re considered Weapons of Mass Death and Destruction, and each of the six NFA categories is basically listed in a state regulation. There is an exception to being in possession of NFA firearms, and it basically says they’re ok if properly registered and (IIRC) cites the federal tax code of the National Firearms Act. In this case, when in contact with any non-ATF LEO and legality comes into question, you can show them the forms (and probably have to explain what they are), or refuse and deal with the ATF later. Basically the old “you might beat the rap but you won’t beat the ride” cliché.
 
BigWaylon said:
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1) you can go home or show and shoot
2) “you might beat the rap but you won’t beat the ride” cliché.
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This is why I like to keep scaled down laminated copies in my range bag. I’m not at the level of needing a binder haha.
 
About the price for a brick of .22lr. Go for it!
Should the hearing protection bill pass and become law,
there is language in the bill, you can claim the $200 tax paid on your income tax return from the date the bill was introduced.
 
It would be great if the act would pass, but the chances are almost nil. Richard Hudson, my district's Congressman came into our store late last year and bought some Pmags. The bill was the first thing I asked him about. He basically said it has a snowball's chance in hell of passing, because after the Vegas shooting, Gabby Giffords and Hillary gave a press conference and the first words out of their mouths were "It would have been worse if he would have used a silencer..."

He said that it was real convenient for them because the Act was in committee at the time. So basically, until enough Congressmen are educated that when you screw on a 'silencer' it doesn't make the weapon automatically kill everyone within a mile, we'll never see over the counter suppressor sales.

Not to mention, think of that 200 bucks a pop practically free money they are getting with each form.
 
Four times ten years is forty years.

Do not drop the soap!



On the other hand, should you live a full life and not one person ever asks to see a tax stamp, you're going to wish you had that fourteen hundred dollars back.
 
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