Brakes on the line

Squanchy said:
In a can the brake ends up being a sacrificial baffle and helps the blast baffle stay alive longer. Probably not an issue for the majority of us low round count non full auto firing people.

@BigWaylon can you even perceive any difference between a can direct thread vs on a QD with a FH of some kind?
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Somebody might be able to. I’ve never shot one back to back that way. It would take swapping of multiple parts on the host and silencer. Having two similar builds and two different cans would be the best way. But assuming we’re talking about supersonic rounds anyway, not gonna be much difference due to sonic crack.

But anybody that’s never shot one before is welcome to shoot any of mine. We can meet at PHA or I’ll come to you if fairly close and have a place to shoot.
 
Squanchy said:
In a can the brake ends up being a sacrificial baffle and helps the blast baffle stay alive longer. Probably not an issue for the majority of us low round count non full auto
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There was several of the full auto guys that played with that.
No real proof that it makes them last longer.
A brake depending on the design will force all the pressure in two places on the side of the can.
Having seen cans shot with high round counts you can see the damage it does. Just like damage on the blast baffle.
All you are doing is redirecting the pressure to do damage in a different place.

The MG guy in East TN had a good video on shooting a SAW for high round counts. He also used the 3 prong and you could see the pressures cuts.
 
Charlie said:
We must be talking about two different types of brakes.
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Here’s the best pic I have on my phone but as you can see the suppressor completely covers the ports regardless of the type of brake. Otherwise the suppressor would be pretty pointless.

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If any of you guys ever get to Bladen County it would be fun to see all of these combinations of suppressors and brakes in action. :)
 
I had some uppers with P/W brakes, but got rid of them. They were fun to shoot in the pits at Woody's since they were obnixously loud. I never shot at the 100 or 550 when I had them and don't think I would if others were around.
 
Downeast said:
Recently a friend was shooting a braked AR in .308 in string fire and it was deafening. I was wearing plugs and a muff and even while standing behind him (but to the side!) it was awful. No way would I had wanted to shoot beside him. I wish it wouldn't be such a hassle to acquire suppressors.
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And @Downeast i was beside him and still whooped y'all that day 😀
 
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Jerzsubbie said:
Here’s the best pic I have on my phone but as you can see the suppressor completely covers the ports regardless of the type of brake. Otherwise the suppressor would be pretty pointless.

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Gotcha. I would be more likely likely to call those flash suppressors than muzzle brakes, but I suppose it could go either way. I see how you rigged it. The flash suppressor/brake would not affect recoil very much of at all.
 
Supermatch said:
My assumption was that you were referencing a brake that doubles as a suppressor host, where the can is threaded over the brake.

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I was referring to brakes that vent to the outside to redirect escaping gas to reduce felt recoil. The pictured device makes it very convenient to mount a suppressor but would seem to cause little recoil reduction if the suppressor is installed.
 
Charlie said:
I was referring to brakes that vent to the outside to redirect escaping gas to reduce felt recoil. The pictured device makes it very convenient to mount a suppressor but would seem to cause little recoil reduction if the suppressor is installed.
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I guess I don't understand your original question, as I've never seen an open brake used in combination with a suppressor - the suppressor would serve no purpose.
 
Supermatch said:
I guess I don't understand your original question, as I've never seen an open brake used in combination with a suppressor - the suppressor would serve no purpose.
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That is why I was confused. I have not seen one either. I was also confused when there was talk about people using a suppressor instead of a muzzle brake if the suppressors were not so hard to get. The implication seemed to be that a suppressor would tame recoil the way a muzzle brake does. That did not make sense to me either.
 
Charlie said:
That is why I was confused. I have not seen one either. I was also confused when there was talk about people using a suppressor instead of a muzzle brake if the suppressors were not so hard to get. The implication seemed to be that a suppressor would tame recoil the way a muzzle brake does. That did not make sense to me either.
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They add weight to the muzzle and make the recoil impulse longer (it takes a longer time for the same volume of gas to fully exit the opening), which makes perceived recoil seem less intense for a longer duration as opposed to a short impulse like a brake or bare muzzle. From a physics perspective, they are not as effective as a properly designed brake of the same mass, but the reduction in flash and audible concussion can also mitigate flinching, which can make recoil seem less pronounced.
 
Charlie said:
Gotcha. I would be more likely likely to call those flash suppressors than muzzle brakes, but I suppose it could go either way. I see how you rigged it. The flash suppressor/brake would not affect recoil very much of at all.
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These are muzzle brakes per “AFT” definition since the end is closed with exception of a hole only slightly larger than the caliber. Flash hiders are much more open ended, think vortex flash hider and A2.

Different types of brakes have different effects. I’m not sure what type of brake you’re thinking of in the context of this thread. But you’re correct that a brake does not effect recoil when used with a suppressor. The point is if you run brakes, using a suppressor would be the considerate thing to do when in close quarters with others.
 
IMO, good cans reduce a TON of recoil, especially on hipowered rifles.
Shot a .338 Lapua with a thunderbeast and it was a pussy cat. And a huge difference in .308 too. Even on 556 it kills recoil.

Surprised it would even be a debate?
 
From an article on Gemtech’s site…not sure if Dater wrote it or not.

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AR10ShooterinNC said:
Only if we could get suppressors off the NFA…
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The best first step in doing that is having a huge segment of the population owning suppressors.

If anyone is on the fence and wondering if it’s worth it, lemme know and I’ll meet you at PHA. I have two builds, both 5.56 with identical 10.3 barrels…one with a Turbo K and one with a VG-6 Gamma.

I shot some phone video…10 rounds through an unsuppressed PSA 10.5 and 10 rounds through a suppressed 10.3 Aero build.

The difference is discernable, to say the least.
 
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Dale Gribble said:
The best first step in doing that is having a huge segment of the population owning suppressors.

If anyone is on the fence and wondering if it’s worth it, lemme know and I’ll meet you at PHA. I have two builds, both 5.56 with identical 10.3 barrels…one with a Turbo K and one with a VG-6 Gamma.

I shot some phone video…10 rounds through an unsuppressed PSA 10.5 and 10 rounds through a suppressed 10.3 Aero build.

The difference is discernable, to say the least.
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The big hurtle for the people I know is the 9 month to a year wait. They do not want to pay and have to wait almost a year.

After getting my suppressors, I do not like shooting with out one.
 
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AR10ShooterinNC said:
The big hurtle for the people I know is the 9 month to a year wait. They do not want to pay and have to wait almost a year.
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I get it, believe me and I find it obscene…not just the wait, but the tax/registration, as well.

There’s probably numerous reasons out there why folks do not want to jump in…as you’ve stated, the wait. There’s also a lot of fuddlore spread about…

But the advantages to shooting suppressed far outweigh the cons and personally, I don’t believe there are any “cons” to it. @BigWaylon already posted an article upstream, outlining some of the advantages. In addition to that, the difference in the sound signature from say, 50-100 yards downrange, is substantial. “How’s that a benefit?” Well, fill in the blanks.👍

If you go ahead, pull the proverbial trigger and get one in the queue, that 9 month or less wait will yield a can and here lately, seems like the wait times are decreasing.

If I could reasonably afford to do it, I’d throw one in the pipeline every couple of months.
 
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AR10ShooterinNC said:
The big hurtle for the people I know is the 9 month to a year wait. They do not want to pay and have to wait almost a year.

After getting my suppressors, I do not like shooting with out one.
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Two recent examples of it being less than 3 months…not 9-12.

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For you brake users, besides clearing the area, what do they bring for you? The ability to see the hit? Flinch reduction?

I mostly think of them only for recoil reduction, which isn’t one of my particular problems. Most guides in Africa detest them, and quite a few, if not most, won’t allow them.
 
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rodell said:
For you brake users, besides clearing the area, what do they bring for you? The ability to see the hit? Flinch reduction?

I mostly think of them only for recoil reduction, which isn’t one of my particular problems. Most guides in Africa detest them, and quite a few, if not most, won’t allow them.
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Just my opinion, but if you have to ask: you definitely do not need one.
 
I was a long range Appleseed, on the 25yd red coat line the guy next to me had a Lantac dragon brake. His first shot blew my hat off. It was so concussive being at his 3-3:30 I could feel it in my teeth. I moved a brass bucket between us and it calmed it down some but holy crap it was miserable
 
Downeast said:
Most likely another pot stirring thread but for those of you who shoot on the line either prone or bench do you allow brakes? I discourage them as they can really screw with the person next to them with blast and debris. Nothing like some dirt flying onto a $2K optic. Thinking of maybe some form of barriers, or simply putting the "brakers" into their own relay and let them blast each other. :)
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Braker relay. I like it. One range I shoot at does not allow brakes at UBR match. Rarely do we see any, anyway. Don't be that guy.
 
rodell said:
For you brake users, besides clearing the area, what do they bring for you? The ability to see the hit? Flinch reduction?

I mostly think of them only for recoil reduction, which isn’t one of my particular problems. Most guides in Africa detest them, and quite a few, if not most, won’t allow them.
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I’ll admit it, if I haven’t in this thread already. Mine are 100% simply to see how obnoxious the firearm could be. Zero other practical reasons influencing the purchases.
 
There's a 1000 yard match at a range near by that has a no muzzle brakes or silencers rule. Cannot wrap my head around it.
 
Prudii said:
There's a 1000 yard match at a range near by that has a no muzzle brakes or silencers rule. Cannot wrap my head around it.
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They hate guns that are too loud. And they also hate guns that are too quiet.

They looking for that sweet spot Goldilocks gun sound.
 
NKD said:
They hate guns that are too loud. And they also hate guns that are too quiet.

They looking for that sweet spot Goldilocks gun sound.
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I'm guessing they're trying to level the playing field so you don't have an equipment race that determines the winners. In competition I understand rules existing. If it was just a range rule you'd be looking for Fudds, but I think this is different.
 
I guess it depends on what kind of 1000 yard match? But why restrict suppressors? But it's their range, so their rules. I would think maybe a BR match under a roof.
 
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Timfoilhat said:
I'm guessing they're trying to level the playing field so you don't have an equipment race that determines the winners. In competition I understand rules existing. If it was just a range rule you'd be looking for Fudds, but I think this is different.
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I looked into in more. Guns are supposed to meet NRA highpower rules and silencers are banned in NRA high-power outside of the tactical rifle division.

I don't think its a sanctioned match so the scores don't get submitted. So why bother with the prohibition on silencers.
 
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