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But the police are pro-2A and would never (insert absurd claim here)...

Discussion in 'Firearms News and Views' started by SPM, Feb 9, 2020.

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  1. Ikarus1

    Ikarus1 Avtomat Krishna-kov

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    IIRC that was the later stages of the 3rd Reich. They were the 'secret police' up until they started baking cookies with Jewish people. You know, making sure undesirables didn't own things that were declared illegal like weapons and such. Oh and making sure that undesirables couldn't own businesses that were frowned upon. And teaching little kids how to tattle on people if they see something.
     
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    wsfiredude Can't starve us out; Can't make us run Charter Member Supporting Member

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    I do think it is worth mentioning that round-ups of innocent American citizens and sending them to internment camps has happened before in the good ol’ USA.
     
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    CZfool68 Int'l Man of Mystery Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Shush your mouth. We must forget the Democrat history that doesn’t make a strong federal government look rosy. :(
     
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    SPM Wobomagonda Life Member

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    Must have been just the super rare bad apples that participated in all the rounding up though.

    I bet the vast majority were All-American, Constitution-supporting folk who refused to participate.
     
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    noway2 Senior Member Charter Life Member

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    That’s the thing if you think about it. A society, not all that different than our own, of a people who many here likely had as ancestors (I do), under “democratic socialism” became a nightmare regime. It can happen here. We have the advantage of knowing history and many of us, while we weren’t alive then, knew people in our lives who were and heard their stories.

    We will NOT give up our guns regardless of what becomes “illegal”.

    Consider too what Germany, a country the size of a medium state, did and how they dominated Europe. If they had developed nuclear weapons first they would have likely conquered a large portion of the world and even destroyed a lot of America. National Socialism harnessing the power of a productive people into the power of a gauntlet is an extreme force. If the US were to become the 4th Reich the world would tremble and then whimper.
     
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    Millie Pumpkin Eater Supporting Member

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    Yes.
     
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    AR10ShooterinNC Happy to be here

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    The old USA police man has already done this, not even 100 years ago........................short memory of a bootlicker.
     
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    grungewehr39 here to be Happy Supporting Member

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    Cops will do as told by the state or funding will be cut and positions will be terminated. All this 2A "sanctuary" stuff is all lip service in my opinion. Yeah, it's a nice show of solidarity to an extent, but at the end of the day, you'll get arrested.
     
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    Or local funding will be cut off for ‘ma roads’ and those cool SWAT vehicles. Then we’ll hear phrases like, ‘for the good of the community’, ‘reasonable gun laws’ and ‘common sense reform’.
     
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    premise outwardly solipsistic Life Member

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    A legitimate and honest question for all LEO folks here, and I'm sincerely not trying to troll - but do any of y'all currently enforce any laws you don't agree with? I know you can only say so much on a public forum.

    Like @DCGallim said, we have what I consider to be unconstitutional laws in regards to 2A in place now. And while the 2A Sanctuary movement is heartening, it'll hold a little more water with me when the sheriff of my county promises not to arrest anybody for something as arbitrary as a 14.5" barrel on a rifle receiver, or using an oil filter as a suppressor.

    I also figure as Boogaloo 2.0 nears, we'll see more opposition from big city police that grew up big city style, ready to take guns away from us dumbass rednecks. There will be a lot of opposition from the police out in the counties and rural areas, but as soon as Steve Dave Militiaman starts targeting police families for having targeted his family, it will be pretty damn easy to paint all resisting gun owners as savage murderers and there will likely a surge in girth of that blue line. The media has been pretty good at putting a thorough split into two groups of people that have lots of overlap and similarities (police and average firearms owners), and any skirmish between the two will assuredly put that wedge all the way into the log.

    I hope that isn't the case, but the cynicism that blooms so easily from my charcoal heart leads me to feel otherwise.
     
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    CZfool68 Int'l Man of Mystery Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Wait! LEO and military folks have homes and families too? Who knew?
     
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    Most cops are men, if cops are all bad, then all men must be bad too.......logical right?

    I know many LEO's who a staunchly pro 2A and I would suspect more than half are overall, even a much larger percentage in rural areas. But that is painting with my wide brush.
     
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    I mean, me personally, when I need protection I dont call 911. I call up a couple old wise guys like Pauly Walnuts and Skipper

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    Men are corrupted by power and cops have too much power...they need to be held to a higher standard. The average citizen is not presented with so many opportunities on a daily basis to abuse power and have a support network to sweep it under the rug and/or profit from it. There is way too much evidence of a problem to keep dismissing it by simply saying "but I know some good cops...they aren't all bad." The good ones are doing a piss poor job of keeping the bad ones in line or off of the force. The overarching law enforcement agenda is not in the interest of the common citizen.
     
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    noway2 Senior Member Charter Life Member

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    Maybe there is a reason those that enshrined the right to bear arms without infringements also put prohibitions against standing law enforcement as I’ve documented in the past.
     
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    Ikarus1 Avtomat Krishna-kov

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    lets see some examples of patriots just doing their duty:

    Wounded Knee, the Bonus Army, Japanese Internment, lynchings of Black men women and children, McCarthyism, LEOs killing Black Panthers, National Guard killing college students in Ohio, FBI paramilitary killing women infants and children at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

    All those done by people 'just doing their duty' on US Soil.
     
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    I take one exception to that list.

    McCarthy was right. When the Soviet Union broke up and secret files were released there was proof of Communist spies all over the place. Old Joe wasn’t a nice guy, but he knew the enemy. Sounds like someone else that makes the news a lot these days too. :p
     
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    So, because the Nazi secret police did this....what? Every cop in the world is going to do this?

    Their military did it, too. Does that mean our military men are all nazi's too? If this were the case. I would be more afraid of the guys from Bragg than the local PD.
    Their Politicians were involved. Rand Paul now coming for you?

    Look, we need to beware of the lessons of history. No doubt. But painting every cop as a enemy is lame. It's just not true. Saying because Nazi's did this: our cops are Nazi's in some bizarre ANTIFA-type BS.



    "Bootlicker" Lmao!

    That comment says everything about you, and nothing about me.
     
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    DrPhudd Joe thinks I'm clever

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    It may not be true, but in many ways it is prudent. Not trusting them can do you no harm. Assuming they are on your side certainly can.
     
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    I was thinking of the post by NKD that you responded to and I keep coming back to the same conclusion. How many times have we seen cops stand by and refuse or fail to reign in one of their own when they go off the rails. There have been numerous instances of this, but one that comes readily to mind is the one of the Utah nurse from a year or two ago. Perhaps it does happen and for some reason just never makes the news. The unfortunate thing is that this leads me to suspect that many of them will likely do the same when one goes tyrannical on guns. So far, we've heard a combination of how some local yokels might turn a proverbial blind eye to your violation to you'll be arrested at a traffic stop. We're seeing the VA SP jump to protect the politicians as they violate fundamental rights. While some sheriffs have declared support of the 2A sanctuary movement, we're also told that it is purely symbolic and they're declarations haven't been put to the test yet, though it is coming.

    There is an old expression that says, actions speak louder than words.We've seen demonstration of enforcing these "red flag laws" that have needlessly gotten people killed because of this attitude that they need to try to assert dominance over someone in their home at 4am. We've seen what happened in New Orleans during hurricane Katrina. We've seen a few cases from the misnomer "NY safe" act. We've seen the what happens to people who accidentally wind up in NJ.

    Ultimately' they will need to pick a side, and the portents seem to indicate that a lot of them will pick the wrong side, some will try to walk the proverbial middle of the road and apply discretion when they can get away with it, and a very few might do the right thing.
     
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    DCGallim Resident Smart-A$$

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    It's common place so it doesn't get much reaction anymore.
     
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    B00ger Das B00G Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Or...there are 15.3 million kids in high school in the US, the vast majority of which have smart phones and film everything. So even if this happened every single day of the week in a 180 day school year that would be 180 instances out of contact with 15.3 million kids. So calling it a "rampant raging problem" because of a sample size of that equates to .0012% chance of having a confrontation is a bit reactionary.

    So lets make is 180 times per year in each state...that brings our instance rate up to a whopping .06% chance...so on any given day a high school student has a .06% chance of running into a problem with a police office or someone at school.

    Did this situation suck? Yes, and I hope the people involved are handed a pink slip at least...but to claim "Oh, it happens all the time" is just statistically wrong and without factual merit.
     
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    Cowboy Glances can deceive

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    I wasn't referring to just the school portion of it, more of the respect my authority attitude in many aspects of officer interaction. And I highly doubt anyone will get fired for this, we've seen way worse happen and nothing come of it.
     
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    Oh, I have very little confidence in anything major coming out of it. But Police, or anyone having a "respect my authority" attitude is not a 2020 invention. Considering how many smart phones are floating around I just think its far more likely that instances are getting called out as opposed to the mentality being enhanced. In the exact same way that crime is actually falling year over year, but due to cameras being everywhere it is being portrayed as being an epidemic.
     
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    DCGallim Resident Smart-A$$

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    I hope that's the case but what I've seen is an ever increasing us vs. them attitude towards the public in general.
     
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    Like Japanese Americans during WW2. American citizens with Japanese and German backgrounds were put into interment camps.
     
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    Perhaps, but I try to remember that its the same people telling us how dangerous concealed carry holders are, how crime is on the rise, how the right is so militant, how backwards southerners are, and how looney tunes libertarians that are telling us that the police are getting more and more violent. I base what I believe on what I experience, and I have only met 1 police officer personally that has had a complete "us v them" mentality, and I refuse to allow a sample size of 1 condemn an entire population. Are there problems? Yes. Do they need to be addressed? Absolutely. But I'll need more than "I saw a rise in new stories..." to make me believe anything.

    Everyone is selling something.
     
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    I've had experiences with both good and bad cops. In my case, most of those experiences have been good. The few bad ones all involved one police agency that's known for their bad "bully" attitude, and I moved out of that town nearly 20 years ago.

    If things come to blows over the 2A, we'll know for sure what side they take. I'm sure may will take the side that pays their checks. And I'm sure some will take our side as well. Unfortunately, things in the real world are rarely clear cut. There are a lot of gray areas. Keep your eyes and ears open.
     
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    My experience is that the ones that have that attitude burn out in about 5 years. Not that 5 years is short enough. The officer from the parking lot imo had every right to warn the kid when he turned the wheels and moves toward him. 40 years ago those peace officers everyone remembers so foundly would have snatched him out of that truck. The fact that they blocked him over something as simple as him leaving before school is stupid. But why wouldn't the kid simply call a parent? I think that situation cuts both ways.
     
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    Yeah, the kid >could< have called a parent, and its what I would have done personally had I been whatever age he is at that time. But the issue here is the attitude of the officer and the administrator that has such an equally disrespectful attitude towards the kid. I would expect them to be the adult and say "Oh, so why are you leaving? You have a note? Cool, but can you quickly call your folks so we can verify that?" or "Do you have a note?" No need to sit there and debate it in the middle of drop off in front of the whole school and make both a martyr of the kid (because the other kids will think its awesome he stood up to "the man") and a fool of yourself for prancing about.

    They know the kid, they know his name, and they have his parents contact. 2 minutes after he pulls out they could be on the phone saying "Your son just left and didn't show us he had permission...ok, so he did have permission...cool." end of story. AND if he >didn't< have permission then just say "Cool...it counts as an unexcused absence."

    All the weenie wagging was unnecessary.
     
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    The fact that they blocked him over something as simple as him leaving before school is stupid.

    I feel the same way.
     
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    I think that most of us here are smart enough to understand that the absolute vast majority of police will not respond to a massive "Ok guys, we have to go into each gun owners house in our district and clean out their houses." I don't think this is most of our realistic fear. Not really because we have such confidence in law enforcement, but because we understand that the logistics behind such an operation are completely outside of the capability of most agencies. They are already juggling gang units, drug units, regular policing, traffic control, school resources, and all of the other pulls a department may have. Even if they were to raid every gun store and get a list of everyone in their district that owns an AR (who went that route...and did the paperwork) and write out a massive list of properties to visit...there just aren't enough officers or time.

    It isn't the BIG CHOP that worries most of us. It is the chipping away that does. An officer may not believe in raiding your home and confiscating the contents of your safe. But they grab you at a traffic stop on the way home from the range...already have you for something..."What is that in the bag?...yeah the one with the Molon Labe patches and the magazine pouches on the side...". Then we will hear the "I believe they should be allowed to have an AR, at home, for home defense...but they cant have the 30 round magazines out in public...so I am confiscating these and charging him. He should have been smart enough to leave it at home...Like I do."
     
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    Just Mexicans and Islamist now. Taking the children away from the parents so they can die of a virus under Mylar blankets, We might see the non Christians next.
     
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    how is that analogous ? To be historically accurate, that would need to be happening to them while attempting to ESCAPE our country, not enter it illegally.
     
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    You mean illegals that brought their sick children into our country? And Islamist that we discriminate against so much that they are elected to government?? Non Christians are next in a country with a shrinking amount of Christians. People are leaving churches in record numbers. The southern baptist association said that 10k churches closed their doors last year.
     
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