Discussion in 'Firearms News and Views' started by IUHoosier429, May 16, 2019.
A land full of nut and flakes.
And people that don’t seem to care.
When Kidd’s Place was setting up to be a skeet/trap/clay birds a couple doors down from me I researched the dangers of lead. We had wells and I was concerned about the lead leaching into the water table. Everything I found indicated it was a non issue because the lead oxidizes and self seals like aluminum. The lead to fear is industrial lead like paint and that blue fluid you get when cleaning your 22 can.
Where do they think lead comes from?
You're talking about a state that needs warning labels about wrenches causing cancer. Fence in the metropolitan areas and burn them to the ground.
Living in California may cause cancer and birth defects.
How about depleted Uranium? I hear they make good bullets.
I never heard that explaination, but I was once at an IDPA match with a guy that did ground water stuff. I mentioned the creek nearby and the berms we were shooting into. He said it was not a problem. The lead stays were it is. This was North Wilkesboro, for those that know the range.
But, isn't lead oxide toxic? I remember discussing old lead ammo that had turned white.
ETA - Had to research it...
It's just for hunting, and honestly I thought they did that 10+ years ago. You had to use non-lead for any game species anyway, but you could shoot non-game stuff with lead. They probably closed that 'loophole' when they figured out the most of the shots taken are against non-game.
"Just" for hunting, just like all of their other anti-gun legislation is "just" for public safety, "just" for common sense, etc. I get that this is (at least publicly) geared toward hunters, but I don't think that's the ultimate - or at least the only - goal here.
Who knows though. Perhaps it's a self-correcting problem. Fewer hunters means more wild animals, which means more car accidents, which ultimately means fewer Californians...
They need to show the people who passed this law why lead is the material of choice. Show them first hand.
I wasn't saying it wasn't a gateway to something else, I mean this is CA, where plastic straws are banned but using state supplied plastic syringes to shoot up while laying in a gutter is totally fine! (as long as you vote for D). I should have said 'for now'.
In the original ban they used the "condors could eat lead bullet fragments in gut piles" as part of the argument in favor. They didn't actually claim it had happened, just that it could. We had a section on it in hunters ed, and at the black powder club they actually had a game warden dude come out and explain why we had to use non-lead musket balls to hunt with. Ever try to seat a non-lead ball in a black powder rifle? Yea, no bueno. I have two boxes of them and they don't work at all. The prevailing theory was that you loaded a lead ball in the gun, and carried an open pack of the non-lead with you to turn over to the warden for testing when they found you. The easier solution was to move to NC, so I went that route.
EDIT: I had to go see if there were any of the lead free roundballs still in my flintlock case, and sure enough there were. You want to screw up a gun? Load one of these bad boys. 50/50 chance it will lodge in the barrel after you start it and you have to drill it out... oh, but it's not lead so you can't use your normal ball extraction tools and have to take it to someone who can use a drill press. dumb ass ammo. zero stars.
Lead is a scary four letter word. When prying a rock you look for any and all leverage points. Just like "black guns".
Does anyone make any lead-free 22 Long Rifle ammo?
Beyond the lead that naturally occurs, I would wager that the lead that leeches from a gun range into the water supply pales in comparison to the effect of legal waste dumping into water, leaching from landfills, or even stormwater runoff from roads and parking lots. We for some reason allow motorized boating and other recreating on lakes used for water supply but we are more concerned about lead leaching?!?! And when we go all electric with cars (involuntarily), where are all of those old batteries going to go?
It is all politics.
CCI makes an all copper version, and there were some years ago that were... I can't remember what but they were useless. we're talking 12" groups at 10 yards out of my single six. I think it was tin? It sucked. Winchester maybe.
On the subject of rimfire though, the CCI 16 gr lead free 17HMR stuff is awesome. I use it now even though I don't have to. Accurate, and works wonders on rabbits in the desert (obviously not in NC).
If my memory is correct I could barely buy lead jig heads for fishing when I lived in CA 15-20 years ago. Had to spend the big $ on the tungsten weights.
Yeah, if you want to make an area uninhabitable... For ever.
Nope. That’s the “depleted” part. More of the 238, less of the 235. Very low radioactivity. It is a toxic metal but so are lots of metals. It hardly renders anything uninhabitable. There are plenty of inhabitants still in places that our tanks and A-10s have generously spread DU around.
That said, I wouldn’t keep a chunk of it in my pocket for sure.
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You should take the time to watch this video...
OK. I just did.
If that is all true, it is terrible. One more reason to be against big gov and interventionism, which I am consistently.
But, I can’t take it all at face value. Some actual data (with little of that sourced) mixed with lots of anecdotes and scary pictures. It certainly deserves a real impartial third party investigation but I don’t know if that is even possible.
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