California woman charged with illegal SBR over stock-less 10/22

They are grasping at straws IMO. Where's the intent? Don't they have to prove modifications that intend of getting around the 26" rule? Simply having a rifle or part of one does not show intent IMO.


Then again it is Kommunist Kalifornia


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Can that item fire in the config pictured? (I'm sure that's an easy answer, but I've never owned a 10/22)

If so...she's in violation at the state and federal level, as that's an SBR by definition.
 
I've never owned one either, but I seem to recall they come apart for ease of storage and transport. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was in said condition and the Commie-goon squad tried to claim it was an SBR.

That being said, yes, it was an add on and it looks like she won the stupid prize for playing stupid games.
 
noway2 said:
I've never owned one either, but I seem to recall they come apart for ease of storage and transport. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was in said condition and the Commie-goon squad tried to claim it was an SBR.

That being said, yes, it was an add on and it looks like she won the stupid prize for playing stupid games.
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That's a great question. I know of the 10/22 take down but I'm not sure how it comes apart. I'm trying to remember how the Henry survival rifle breaks down.
 
Yep, add-on charge.
If she hadnt been parked illegally, and then tried to hide the rifle (because she knew it was illegal?), then this would have never occurred.
But oh well, best of luck to her and her lawyers
 
Majicmike said:
That's a great question. I know of the 10/22 take down but I'm not sure how it comes apart. I'm trying to remember how the Henry survival rifle breaks down.
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I have a 10/22 breakdown model
It comes apart just after the trigger, with maybe 2 or 3 inches of barrel attached. I dont know if it'd fire as is, but I dont see why it wouldnt.
 
drypowder said:
I find it a bit odd that some of you guys are dismissing this as "just an add on charge". This is a felony punishable by 10 years in federal prison. Her other charges were merely misdemeanors that would most likely not result in any prison sentence at all.
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I'm. It dismissing it, rather I'm condemning it as bullshit. I should have been more clear.
 
drypowder said:
I find it a bit odd that some of you guys are dismissing this as "just an add on charge". This is a felony punishable by 10 years in federal prison. Her other charges were merely misdemeanors that would most likely not result in any prison sentence at all.
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State officers can't charge federal crimes. It was a California ordinance they charged. Not sure if felony or misdemeanor as we have no equivalent.
 
J R Green said:
State officers can't charge federal crimes. It was a California ordinance they charged. Not sure if felony or misdemeanor as we have no equivalent.
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At a state level it's still an SBR, just like it would be here in NC...except we'd call it a Weapon of Mass Death and Destruction.
 
Sounds like she was breaking multiple laws... Stupid as I think SBR laws are, if she was using it without the stock to make it shorter so she could conceal it, that's an SBR. You can fire a 10/22 without the stock. The mag will stay in it.
 
I doubt she will be charged with the SBR thing but "intent" could be something a liberal DA could argue under the idea she had it loaded and in hand before ...
"As the Officers approached they saw Leticia had quickly hid a rifle on the ground next to her,” said the report. “The rifle was a Ruger .22 caliber rifle, which had been modified by having the butt stock removed. It was determined that the rifle was an illegal short barreled rifle.”
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... I don't think she was cleaning it and with the composite knuckle and drug paraphernalia I'm guessing they threw everything they could on the wall to see what they could get to stick. "Intent" I'm guessing will be a word used quite a bit in her case.
 
JimP42 said:
10/22 will fire without a stock. So what? That means I am a felon every time I take one apart to clean it?
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If you are traveling with it loaded and hidden without a stock then you're pushing your luck at best...
 
bigfelipe said:
Sounds like she was breaking multiple laws... Stupid as I think SBR laws are, if she was using it without the stock to make it shorter so she could conceal it, that's an SBR. You can fire a 10/22 without the stock. The mag will stay in it.
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Yet another one of those victimless "crimes" against the crown, that only the king's agents would bother to try to enforce. Things like this are absolutely representative of a NON-free people. If the crown weren't allowed or tasked with enforcing its edicts, but rather that fell to The People, things like this wouldn't be an issue.
 
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noway2 said:
Yet another one of those victimless "crimes" against the crown, that only the king's agents would bother to try to enforce. Things like this are absolutely representative of a NON-free people. If the crown weren't allowed or tasked with enforcing its edicts, but rather that fell to The People, things like this wouldn't be an issue.
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Agreed we should really look askance at malum prohibitum laws. But self-policing does not work in a heterogeneous, multicultural, multireligious (including agnostics/atheists) society. Something like that might work in a very homogenous society like Japan, or Sweden prior to it opening its legs to Islamic invasion, and even then it's questionable as populations get very large.
 
All I'm sayin' is there's more to this story. Woman hanging out with a questionable weapon(as in a not a legit weapon for a number of reasons), knuckles, and drug para by an RV out in public? What's she up to?
 
HMP said:
I have a 10/22 breakdown model
It comes apart just after the trigger, with maybe 2 or 3 inches of barrel attached. I dont know if it'd fire as is, but I dont see why it wouldnt.
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It won't fire without the barrel assembly attached. The chamber goes with the barrel when it comes off. The only thing left attached to the receiver is the barrel collar. No chamber, no bang.
 
Take your stock off to clean 10/22, kids runs off to play cops and robbers in the woods with the stock. Stock lost in the woods or broken.
Felon in possession of a weapon of mass destruction!!!
 
NKD said:
Take your stock off to clean 10/22, kids runs off to play cops and robbers in the woods with the stock. Stock lost in the woods or broken.
Felon in possession of a weapon of mass destruction!!!
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If one of my kids manages to run off with a part of a real gun I have to play cops and robbers, I've got bigger problems. :eek:
 
drypowder said:
Agreed we should really look askance at malum prohibitum laws. But self-policing does not work in a heterogeneous, multicultural, multireligious (including agnostics/atheists) society. Something like that might work in a very homogenous society like Japan, or Sweden prior to it opening its legs to Islamic invasion, and even then it's questionable as populations get very large.
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The thing is that the system we have here also doesn't work. Look at what went down last night in St. Louis MO. Arrests? Pa-lease. The legal system was also designed around the idea of a righteous, moral, and productive people. We don't have that. One has to ask if a forced integration society is a good thing? I'm inclined to say no, it's not. I think that if we were to remove the the govt from the equation people would naturally self segregate into much more homogenous societies. Of course in the process we would be hearing all sorts of cries and "civil rights" violations (shrug), but natural intolerance would quickly cause natural realignment. Believe me, when the penalty for being where your not wanted is high enough, you'll leave. Obviously the initial thought here is racial separation, but it goes way beyond that in that "trash' of any color won't be tolerated in the productive circles within groups.

Once again, get the government out of the way and the problems will solve themselves.
 
georgel said:
If one of my kids manages to run off with a part of a real gun I have to play cops and robbers, I've got bigger problems. :eek:
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The reason I used that scenario is because I did exactly that with my dads m1 carbine stock as a youth. Man was he pissed! Lol.

At any rate, I think.the point holds true.
If you bought a Kidd barreled action, apparently you would be buying an illegal Sbr.

Just doesn't seem quite right.
 
rantingredneck said:
It won't fire without the barrel assembly attached. The chamber goes with the barrel when it comes off. The only thing left attached to the receiver is the barrel collar. No chamber, no bang.
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Thank you, I havent looked at mine in a few months, but was thinking there was a few inches past the chamber before it disconnecting. Sorry for lying to the community.
 
NKD said:
At any rate, I think.the point holds true.
If you bought a Kidd barreled action, apparently you would be buying an illegal Sbr.

Just doesn't seem quite right.
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I didn't think about that... I bought a barreled action from a LGS awhile back. Am I a felon now?
 
NKD said:
At any rate, I think.the point holds true.
If you bought a Kidd barreled action, apparently you would be buying an illegal Sbr.
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Traceround said:
I didn't think about that... I bought a barreled action from a LGS awhile back. Am I a felon now?
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Nope. That's not the reason. In both of your examples, you're buying a barreled action...which isn't a rifle.

In her example, she (in theory) had a rifle, removed the stock, and was carrying that around...even though it was no longer a rifle.

There are two basic categories of an SBR:
1. An actual short barreled rifle. A firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder that has a barrel length <16" and/or an overall length of <26".
2. A weapon made from a rifle, which has a barrel length of <16" and/or an overall length of <26".

She was in possession of #2. Your newly barreled action is neither of those.

It's the same regulation that says you can't turn an AR into and AR pistol...as you'd have a "weapon made from a rifle". But if it starts life as a pistol, it can be converted back and forth.


Is it all still dumb? Yep. But it was worth (to me) pointing out the details.
 
Traceround said:
I didn't think about that... I bought a barreled action from a LGS awhile back. Am I a felon now?
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Have you sworn an oath to the crown and been cloaked in his majesty's righteousness, which is the red coat.

No?! then of course you're a felon you rebel scum. You deserve no arms and you be well pleased with the blanket of protection provided to you.
 
Never even thought about it this way...... still a BS charge but, Every aftermarket trigger I've installed in which I removed the stock..... I was breakin' the law.
 
BowWow said:
Never even thought about it this way...... still a BS charge but, Every aftermarket trigger I've installed in which I removed the stock..... I was breakin' the law.
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Not if all the pieces are together. Your "constructive possession" situation leaves you with an LBR. :p
 
HMP said:
Thank you, I havent looked at mine in a few months, but was thinking there was a few inches past the chamber before it disconnecting. Sorry for lying to the community.
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There is about an inch/inch and a half of metal past the receiver that stays with the receiver, but that is just a collar. You aren't remembering wrong or lying to the community :). I suspect Ruger engineers when designing the takedown took a this into account so as to not get us takedown owners in trouble with the alphabet agencies.
 
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When you are at home cleaning your 10/22 with the stock off, it would really be a stretch to charge you! But, when you take the stock off, leave it home, and then decide to carry the action/ barrel assembly(that is will fire) out in public, not so much! Stupid laws! But still the law!
 
NKD said:
The reason I used that scenario is because I did exactly that with my dads m1 carbine stock as a youth. Man was he pissed! Lol.
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I'm remembering as a kid, I used to have a take apart plastic rifle as a toy, that I now realize was an AR-7. My how things have changed.
 
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"Damn right I've read it. It's right f+-king here. Something something militia, something something Arms, something something People, shall not be G#d Damned infringed. It doesn't say no short Arms, or no long Arms, or just this kind of Arm or that color Arms are bad. It says shall not be infringed. I'm George Mutha-Suckin Washington, and I cannot tell a lie. Shit ain't there, yo."
 
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Not bad SPM, but if he'd have said "Im George Martha-Suckin Washington..." it'd have worked too
 
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