Cannon 80 Gun Safe

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I'm no expert but I own two decent sized safes and I installed them both. It really depends on your expectations of the safe.

Look at similar sized safes and the price they sell at, gauge of steel used, fire rating etc.

If you plan to put 70 high end firearms in it and you can get an extra hour of fire rating for another $200, well, you get the idea.

Shop specs based on your own needs.
If I planned to fill it with $90 C&R rifles I'd not need the same quality as a safe full of
Purdy shotguns.
 
I think if I spent $1K on any safe, I would step up and buy a Drake, Heritage, or any of the other fine SAFES not Residential Security Containers. Because plate steel is better than sheet steel and sheetrock.
 
I think if I spent $1K on any safe, I would step up and buy a Drake, Heritage, or any of the other fine SAFES not Residential Security Containers. Because plate steel is better than sheet steel and sheetrock.

I dunno....
A 40 gun Drake is $3,000.
He is talking about needing an 80 gun model.
 
I dunno....
A 40 gun Drake is $3,000.
He is talking about needing an 80 gun model.

For 'future expansion'. Think about it, that Drake will protect 40 guns (at $xxx each). The Cannon ain't gonna hold 80, much less protect them from a handheld hatchet or a battery recip saw.

Watch this and tell me it's not throwing good money after bad:



 
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For 'future expansion'. Think about it, that Drake will protect 40 guns (at $xxx each). The Cannon ain't gonna hold 80, much less protect them from a handheld hatchet or a battery recip saw.

Watch this and tell me it's not throwing good money after bad:






That's where his needs come into play.

If he has 3 lorcins and a 10/22...a $3000 safe sounds like good money after bad.
 
That's where his needs come into play.

If he has 3 lorcins and a 10/22...a $3000 safe sounds like good money after bad.

If he has 3 lorcins, then just needs a shoebox or a philly blunt box for each. You can stash the 10/22 up above a closet :D
It came with a gun lock from Ruger.
 
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Depends what you are comfortable protecting against. For quick smash and grabs or kid prevention not bad but if you want something someone cannot defeat well the sky is the limit because then it is just a matter of how much you want to spend trying for them not to have time to defeat it.
 
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If he has 3 lorcins, then just needs a shoebox or a philly blunt box for each. You can stash the 10/22 up above a closet :D
It came with a gun lock from Ruger.

I recommend not using the Philly Blunt box. That's the first thing a hoodrat will grab.

Put it under the soap dish. They'll never find it.
 
I think any safe can be defeated if the crooks are given enough time and they come prepared to crack one. If you have a security system along with the safe then time becomes a problem for the bad guys. You can also buy an alarm for your safe which will alert your cell phone when safe has been messed with.
 
Safes are just another layer of security. If you only have one layer it doesn't matter how good it is. You need layers.

- Silence. The fewer people that know you own guns the better. Take all those sticker off your truck and shut up.
- Teach your family to STFU
- Outdoor lighting
- Trim the trees and bushes around the house,
- Security system with noise
- Dogs
- Hide the safe.
- Lock the doors
- Re-inforce the frames, locks and doors
- Vary your schedule and lights. Think timers or automation.
- Don't associate with bad people. Even family.
 
I have been pleased thus far with my cannon. I wish it was an 80 though instead of a 40 or sixty whatever it is.
 
Pretty much all the big box store "safes" (which they aren't actually - they are RSCs according to UL) are defeatable with a good 4+ foot prybar in a couple of minutes. They just don't have the steel to make them rigid enough. If a cheap "safe" is properly bolted down, and in awkward place to attack (like in a closet, or in a garage with the opening side of the door against a masonry wall), it will take longer. Those "safes" that look like they have big thick doors on them, are 100% lying. They mostly have ~10 gauge doors and ~12 gauge sides if you buy them from a big box place.

Go to sturdysafe.com's videos section and watch some of the stuff there (mostly the ones at the bottom of the page are "look how easy it is to break into this" or "look how hard ours is to break into, because we actually use enough steel and welds in the right places, and design it properly". It isn't unbiased of course but from what I have seen elsewhere it seems very fair. I think Drake is similar in their construction and quality (and a lot more local than California where Sturdy is).

American Security (AmSec) makes the lowest end new actual safes that I have found. They cost a LOT. Safes are rated starting at TL-15 - meaning they can resist someone with tools and knowledge for 15 minutes (not a locksmith - prying/cutting kinds of tools). ~$4500 for a very small but rifle capable safe. I have a bunch of 22s and other cheap stuff mostly - not worth that much for a safe.
 
Safes are just another layer of security. If you only have one layer it doesn't matter how good it is. You need layers.

- Silence. The fewer people that know you own guns the better. Take all those sticker off your truck and shut up.
- Teach your family to STFU
- Outdoor lighting
- Trim the trees and bushes around the house,
- Security system with noise
- Dogs
- Hide the safe.
- Lock the doors
- Re-inforce the frames, locks and doors
- Vary your schedule and lights. Think timers or automation.
- Don't associate with bad people. Even family.

Dogs are a huge par of layered security. They don't need to be big they just need to make noise.

American Security (AmSec) makes the lowest end new actual safes that I have found. They cost a LOT. Safes are rated starting at TL-15 - meaning they can resist someone with tools and knowledge for 15 minutes (not a locksmith - prying/cutting kinds of tools). ~$4500 for a very small but rifle capable safe. I have a bunch of 22s and other cheap stuff mostly - not worth that much for a safe.

This! To get a "real" safe that will stop more than a snatch and grab you will pay a ton of money. If you have a 100K collection it makes sense to get a high $$$ safe but if you have a modest collection you are really trying to protect them from a smash and grab and fire. IMHO
 
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Dogs are a huge par of layered security. They don't need to be big they just need to make noise.

Yep. My two little guys are a total of about 25 lbs of pure noise. Total. They hear people quietly walking a good distance from the house and let us know. Good little alarms.
 
Yep. My two little guys are a total of about 25 lbs of pure noise. Total. They hear people quietly walking a good distance from the house and let us know. Good little alarms.

Copper and Penny agree!

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