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Thanks to everyone for being patient with this project. The information is in:

$175
*Billet 7075
*Ambi markings-Safe & Fire
*Mil Spec hard anodize
*Tension set screw, includes fastener
*Takedown detent hole tapped, includes fastener
*Model number is CFF 15
*Serial number example-CFF-001
*Patriot logo is laser engraved on the right side magwell
*Made by BoHoss Engineering out of York, SC

*Lead time is 6 weeks from when the complete order is filled (100 lowers)
*Prepayment is required
*Price does not include FFL fees

Our FFL's will be @rbrooks, @cubrock, @TARHEELSTATE in North Carolina

Im still working on South Carolina FFLs

Carolina Firearms Forum
PO Box 676
Kannapolis NC 28082

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Check will be in the mail tomorrow. To clarify, checks should be made out to "Carolina Firearms Forum"?

Thank you so much!
 
There's no way these can be made ambi right? What about a matching upper to ensure fit and color consistency?
 
Not as far as mag release. I dont think we would have enough interest to do a run of uppers too.
 
Me, too. I'd pick up more if there are some left.

Check went out today. Maybe I'll be the first official "paid" order. LOL
 
I’ll be passing, so my initial 2 are up for grabs.


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I know this was a lot of work to get accomplished and it’s much appreciated, but I’m gonna have to pass at that price point. $200 after transfer is a bit out of my price range for a stripped lower. It looks like it turned out pretty awesome though!
 
Derek8404 said:
I know this was a lot of work to get accomplished and it’s much appreciated, but I’m gonna have to pass at that price point. $200 after transfer is a bit out of my price range for a stripped lower. It looks like it turned out pretty awesome though!
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Yeah I’m at the same place. A bit rich for my blood. I was hoping for them to be around $100


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I regret that I will not be able to take the two that I wanted. That seems to be way out of the park for a stripped lower with a great logo. Thanks to those involved with getting this done, I know you spent a lot of time doing it.
 
I understand the price is higher than initially thought. We went from no one at Anderson or BPM calling me back, to PSA needing atleast 500 lowers to even consider making a one off piece. BoHoss threw in all the specs we asked for, special serial numbers, and a lower mfg count.

This isnt a post of me whining or making anyone feel guilty, I just want yall to know where this evolved from
 
I'm also hemming and hawing -- want to stick to my earlier "I'll take two!" But $$ is telling me something different. I'm travelling now; will have to see if I can swing one when I get back next week.

And thanks to all of you who put so much effort into this! They do look good.
 
I also appreciate the effort and time that went into it, but I'll admit to the sticker shock of a 100% price increase over what was originally conceived. It does look great and I have no doubt of the quality, but it is a lot to absorb.
 
B00ger said:
I also appreciate the effort and time that went into it, but I'll admit to the sticker shock of a 100% price increase over what was originally conceived. It does look great and I have no doubt of the quality, but it is a lot to absorb.
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It was never originally conceived. There was a thread that had a lot of wishes and speculation about markings and who wanted how many and what serial numbers that they wanted. There was very little information that we owners had but we were working on it. There was talk about how much they were going to cost before we even had anyone lined up to make them. Yes, the price is higher that the made up prices in the thread.
We found someone that would machine billet lowers with a low minimum order, our logo put on it and, special serial numbers. Yes, the price is much higher than you can buy a PSA or Anderson lower, we understand that. But, the price did not increase 100% nor even 1% because there was no price given until @Butter made the post saying they were available.
The forum, the staff, the owners are making 0% profit on these lowers, these are the cost directly from the manufacturer.
 
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It was never originally conceived. There was a thread that had a lot of wishes and speculation about markings and who wanted how many and what serial numbers that they wanted. There was very little information that we owners had but we were working on it. There was talk about how much they were going to cost before we even had anyone lined up to make them. Yes, the price is higher that the made up prices in the thread.
We found someone that would machine billet lowers with a low minimum order, our logo put on it and, special serial numbers. Yes, the price is much higher than you can buy a PSA or Anderson lower, we understand that. But, the price did not increase 100% nor even 1% because there was no price given until @Butter made the post saying they were available.
The forum, the staff, the owners are making 0% profit on these lowers, these are the cost directly from the manufacturer.
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Brother, the first post in that thread said around $85. We all knew it wasn’t set in stone. But it is, in fact, 100% higher than first mentioned in that thread. Again, not upset, just more than expected.


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Brother, the first post in that thread said $89. We all knew it wasn’t set in stone. But it is, in fact, 100% higher than first mentioned in that thread. Again, not upset, just more than expected.


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Again, not upset, so don’t think I’m throwing a tantrum or anything silly, just saying that many of us based our decision off of a roughly $85 cost as in the first post of the poll.



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B00ger said:
Brother, the first post in that thread said around $85. We all knew it wasn’t set in stone. But it is, in fact, 100% higher than first mentioned in that thread. Again, not upset, just more than expected.


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Then you need to ask the person that made the post saying around $85 where that figure came from. I'm not saying that you nor anyone is upset. I've seen where a lot of staff and members have had sticker shock at the price. I fully understand, the cost was more than we were counting on, too. But, for what it's worth, these are machined billet lowers.

We are living in a time right now where AR's and AR parts are dirt cheap. But, we could not find a vendor with cast or forged lowers that was willing to meet our needs. I seriously doubt that we could have sold 500 lowers at around $85.

Personally, I'm disappointed that the cost wasn't lower but, I understand the machining process and understand the cost. We did what we could do to make them available and each member will decide if they want one. @B00ger I know you're not upset, disappointed, yes. But, remember that the thread you saw was full of guesses and wishes. @Butter started trying to find a vendor and was getting the runaround and high minimums. Then I got involved with BoHoss and found out that it could actually happen. As it got closer I backed away and @Butter took it home. We ended up with a very nice product.
 
Geezer said:
Then you need to ask the person that made the post saying around $85 where that figure came from. I'm not saying that you nor anyone is upset. I've seen where a lot of staff and members have had sticker shock at the price. I fully understand, the cost was more than we were counting on, too. But, for what it's worth, these are machined billet lowers.

We are living in a time right now where AR's and AR parts are dirt cheap. But, we could not find a vendor with cast or forged lowers that was willing to meet our needs. I seriously doubt that we could have sold 500 lowers at around $85.

Personally, I'm disappointed that the cost wasn't lower but, I understand the machining process and understand the cost. We did what we could do to make them available and each member will decide if they want one. @B00ger I know you're not upset, disappointed, yes. But, remember that the thread you saw was full of guesses and wishes. @Butter started trying to find a vendor and was getting the runaround and high minimums. Then I got involved with BoHoss and found out that it could actually happen. As it got closer I backed away and @Butter took it home. We ended up with a very nice product.
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It’s posted right above, a screenshot of the start of the poll. It didn’t work out that way and that’s fine. I wish you all all the best in moving 100 of them. They are sure to be fine lowers.


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Geezer said:
Then you need to ask the person that made the post saying around $85 where that figure came from.
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FWIW...it came to John from Barnes, and then to me via PM since I’d started the first (PSA/$50) thread, and was nominated to start the second one.

But since the Barnes deal didn’t work out, it’s now apples to oranges. Billet vs forged, as you mentioned. And also why I added a note at the end of the last thread (once it was stated that the info was finally about to be released) that basically said everything in the OP was incorrect.
 
BigWaylon said:
FWIW...it came to John from Barnes, and then to me via PM since I’d started the first (PSA/$50) thread, and was nominated to start the second one.

But since the Barnes deal didn’t work out, it’s now apples to oranges. Billet vs forged, as you mentioned. And also why I added a note at the end of the last thread (once it was stated that the info was finally about to be released) that basically said everything in the OP was incorrect.
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Granted, but people weren’t amending the poll after the change. Again, not saying anyone did anything wrong. Just came in far higher than expected. But still a quality offering I know everyone will be happy with that pays for it.


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Moving to the public sector.

Its really fine guys, please help me keep the thread clean, I just need to know if you’re in. I want to make sure I get this deal right and not miss anyone (There’s enough on my plate right now and something could easily get missed)
 
To maybe offset the sticker shock a bit, perhaps we could see a shot of the full lower and a few lines of text extolling it’s virtues and the virtues of the firm making them. I do like the shape of the trigger guard, would like to see more and since I’m relatively new to the platform would like to hear some folks that I trust talking about why these are the chit. I get that there is a big premium for the customization, but is it at least a high quality product? Do we know who else they manufacture for? Etc.
 
JimB said:
but is it at least a high quality product? Do we know who else they manufacture for? Etc.
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BHE makes/works with other members here on the forum for their major rifle projects. I know that's a blanket statement, but I don't want to speak for those people if they aren't comfortable with coming out. I will reach out to those individuals and see if they have more information or wish to contribute their reviews
 
I have no concern in this issue, (I was going to start out with "Dog in this Fight"), but since its NOT A FIGHT, I did not see that as really appropriate, so "concern" came to mind...... To clarify where I am coming from......

I can't speak direct for the quality of the product, as I do not have anything in hand, but I can speak for the quality of the man. Billy brought him by some months ago to visit, and take a look at some of the B&M big bore semi guns. A very pleasant fellow to be around, and was very excited to shoot some of the big bore semi guns, and even more excited about how they work and what it takes to make one work properly. He ended up taking one home with him for a few weeks to study and get a feel for. Seemed to me to be a man interested in doing a good job at anything he took on. I have no doubt that the quality of the product is 1st Class based on what I have seen from the man doing the work.

Can he compete with PSA or other cheaper outlets that do 1000's a month? No, of course not and should not be expected to be able to.

I am late to the party, and have zero say other than an opinion. What I do have is a tremendous amount of experience dealing with very specialized shooting items, custom items from bullets, to cartridges, rifles, dies and everything else you can imagine being part of building and using the rifles I have developed over the years. I have some insight into this..........

For instance, I have worked for years on top of years to get proper head stamped brass for the various B&M Cartridges. With very few success stories. In most cases it was an expensive endeavor to come up with NOTHING. I have had Pete at Quality Cartridge give it a go, with a bit of success, but nothing that can be sustained. I had Dieter Horneber in Germany basically fail on 1000 pieces of 500 MDM that would not hold pressure. Sometime later I sent him $4000 to make another 1000 pieces that would be up to spec, I believe that was 2012 or so, I have not seen the 1000 pieces, nor the $4000 since........ Currently working with RCC Brass in TX right now, great folks, but when we do get this sorted out, brass will be custom made and cost around $5.00 per piece. Custom stuff is not cheap. Custom rifles are not cheap. Dies, bullets and all of it, is not cheap. If you had expectations of something different, then maybe your expectations were not entirely correct.

Here is how I see it. Seems this thing started some time ago. Seems that the Carolina Forum boys worked pretty hard on trying to get something, getting turned down by most because of the size of the order. I get it. Hornady and Starline was more than willing to make B&M Brass, I only needed to have a 100'000 pieces done at $2-$3 for them to take it on. I see PSA needed to have 500 lowers done for them to take it on. Same story. Some thought they were going to get the end product for $85 each. Not sure where that come from, nor do I really care. Now the end product is $90 more than expected. $90? What can you buy with $90? I can tell you this, for those of you that committed before you knew the exact price involved, you are committed in my eyes regardless of end cost. Or what is your word worth if not? $90? Some are not going to like that comment, but it is what it is.

It seems to be a quality product. It has your logo on it. Its custom made for the folks on this forum. That should be worth $90 I would think. Hell, it cost me $90 of my time to type this post, and I don't "Have a dog in this fight at all".............. Simply my opinion, and nothing more..............

Michael
 
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@Michael458, thanks for your comments about the man.

See PM for other comments.
 
Michael458 said:
Hornady and Starline was more than willing to make B&M Brass, I only needed to have a 100'000 pieces done at $2-$3 for them to take it on.
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No where in this post did I state I had committed to anyone buying 100'000 pieces of brass. I have inquired from many manufacturers over the years, and I have met every single commitment I have ever made. I never ever committed to Starline or Hornady, but did inquire as to what they had to have to do it.............

Michael458 said:
I can tell you this, for those of you that committed before you knew the exact price involved, you are committed in my eyes regardless of end cost. Or what is your word worth if not? $90? Some are not going to like that comment, but it is what it is.
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Absolutely 100%, and this goes for everything in life and what life brings........... I have committed to many things in my life and I can tell you right now, I regret some of those, but I did what I said I was going to do, regardless. If someone does not like this statement, well to damn bad. I live by it, so if you don't, you are not welcome at my table, and go about your damn business.....................
 
Michael458 said:
No where in this post did I state I had committed to anyone buying 100'000 pieces of brass. I have inquired from many manufacturers over the years, and I have met every single commitment I have ever made. I never ever committed to Starline or Hornady, but did inquire as to what they had to have to do it.............




Absolutely 100%, and this goes for everything in life and what life brings........... I have committed to many things in my life and I can tell you right now, I regret some of those, but I did what I said I was going to do, regardless. If someone does not like this statement, well to damn bad. I live by it, so if you don't, you are not welcome at my table, and go about your damn business.....................
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Well either your fighting someone who had posts deleted or your fighting yourself!!

I’ll leave it at that.
 
Michael458 said:
No where in this post did I state I had committed to anyone buying 100'000 pieces of brass. I have inquired from many manufacturers over the years, and I have met every single commitment I have ever made. I never ever committed to Starline or Hornady, but did inquire as to what they had to have to do it.............




Absolutely 100%, and this goes for everything in life and what life brings........... I have committed to many things in my life and I can tell you right now, I regret some of those, but I did what I said I was going to do, regardless. If someone does not like this statement, well to damn bad. I live by it, so if you don't, you are not welcome at my table, and go about your damn business.....................
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That last portion is absolute bull pucky. There was never a commitment by anyone for anything as there was nothing to commit to. The literal discussion was “if we could get these made for $85 how many would you possibly be interested in.” No one, anywhere, was obligated to do anything by answering a poll.

Now that the final price has been announced what >would< be going back on a commitment would be someone saying they would take one, and then not.

And for the record, the “isn’t $90 worth the effort taken on your part” argument is a very good one and making me rethink ordering one as I had basically stated I’d spend $170 on two. But claiming that anyone who answered the poll is now obligated by some sense of honor to purchase based on new updated information is moronic and misguided.




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