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I like these pistols, but since I have the fingers of a proctologist, short and fat, I find the double action reach to be way long. Started looking at the short reach setup from CGW and that triggered some questions.

Ever install their short reach setup, and how do you like it?

If I wanted to go crazy, the “pro package” parts kit (https://cajungunworks.com/product/75110-pro-package-for-75-series-manual-safety/) includes this plus a new disconnector, hmmer, firing pin, etc for about $325. Have you installed this, like it? Anything in there that would affect suppressed shooting?

They also have their “pro package installation” (https://cajungunworks.com/installation/) which seems like installation of the kit plus maybe a little polishing of the internals (maybe, if they are replacing everything I’m not sure exactly) for another $125. Anyone know if this is just installation, and if so did you think it a good value given the cost of shipping etc?

Finally, new bushing for accuracy is probably wasted on me, but as long as I’m asking question, anyone try it? Any thoughts on how it might affect suppressed shooting?

Thanks all, and yes I’m still mostly shooting 1911’s and Sigs, but the CZ contagion has clearly taken root.
 
What are you using gun for?

They can also be converted to SA only, eliminating the DA first pull. For a range gun I would consider that.
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Iirc, the short reach trigger must be used with the short restet system or the pistol will not function. Combined, those parts should run you somewhere about 160-175.Youre gonna get firing pin, disconnector, trigger shoe, fpb lifter, and some small pins and springs.
To install these parts, youre going to have to break the gun and sear cage completely down. If it was me, I would go ahead and splurge on the pro package and get the rest of the upgraded pins, springs, and parts that come with it and install those, too.
I have put many pro packages in their decocker and its not difficult if you are somewhat handy. If you do try it yourself, CGW sells an install kit that has a starter punch and a slave pin for putting the sear cage back together. I recommend getting this kit.
The difference between me installing it and paying CGW to do it is the polish and refinement they do. I come close, but fall short about 4 oz on the SA and about 6 oz on the DA. Mine is smooth, and yours will be too, but theirs is dang near butter. Only you can decide if that extra expense is worth it.


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JimB said:
I like these pistols, but since I have the fingers of a proctologist, short and fat, I find the double action reach to be way long. Started looking at the short reach setup from CGW and that triggered some questions.

Ever install their short reach setup, and how do you like it? It works, minor change, but profound if you have short fingers like we do!

If I wanted to go crazy, the “pro package” parts kit (https://cajungunworks.com/product/75110-pro-package-for-75-series-manual-safety/) includes this plus a new disconnector, hmmer, firing pin, etc for about $325. Have you installed this, like it? Anything in there that would affect suppressed shooting? I put pro-packages in alllll my CZs I am super spoiled, obviously I love them, shoot suppressed all the time out of a P01,P07,P09,Kadet without any issues.

They also have their “pro package installation” (https://cajungunworks.com/installation/) which seems like installation of the kit plus maybe a little polishing of the internals (maybe, if they are replacing everything I’m not sure exactly) for another $125. Anyone know if this is just installation, and if so did you think it a good value given the cost of shipping etc? This is a sticky one for me, I only purchased a CGW installed kit after I had done the majority of my CZs at home and didn’t realize the difference that their “polishing of internals” would make. Am I going to send all of my already converted CZs to Cajun to have them redone? No. But future CZ pistols will most likely take the trip down to LA to have the Cajun boys work their magic on it.

Finally, new bushing for accuracy is probably wasted on me, but as long as I’m asking question, anyone try it? Any thoughts on how it might affect suppressed shooting? The 10X bushing I have installed on all but my Tac sport pistolas, they do make a difference. I would check with the guys at Cajun about which pistol you are going to be putting them on to shoot suppressed as I seem to remember some of the guys on the CZ forum needing a special specification to use with threaded barrels(the bushings are suuuper tight)

Thanks all, and yes I’m still mostly shooting 1911’s and Sigs, but the CZ contagion has clearly taken root.
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Answers in quote above. Enjoy your new addiction. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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CZfool68 said:
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I don’t find them terribly enticing. For example, a compact with a bull barrel and a straight trigger that’s about 50% forward in the trigger guard, really? Maybe I just haven’t had enough koolaide yet.
 
JimB said:
I don’t find them terribly enticing.
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Same here, for the most part. I did have a CZCustom Shadow 1 that was unbelievable, and it was just one of their most basic custom guns lol. The Cajun boys do good work, take nothing away from them, but the CZCustom stuff is a head higher and I couldnt tell you specifically why. Just felt smoother and crisper all around. I was glad to experience it, but Im not a competition guy, so I probably wont have another.
That said, the Cajun is still an excellent value, and, like @NoNameHaveI , its the route I take with all my CZs, too.
 
JimB said:
I don’t find them terribly enticing. For example, a compact with a bull barrel and a straight trigger that’s about 50% forward in the trigger guard, really? Maybe I just haven’t had enough koolaide yet.
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Their trigger work is filthy good. That make some stuff I’d never buy, but some of their basic offerings are very nice.
 
I have a CZ Shadow 2, CZ-75B and an all Steel P01 with the Pro packages. They are all very nice. I had them do the work. Opening up the CZ's sear cage is not for the faint of heart. IMHO If you are going to do it yourself I would get CGW Tools. The real benefit of having them do it is the smoothness you get in the finished product and the reset dialed into the point where it is as short as they can get it with it still being reliable. The same goes for the trigger pulls. I have not had light strike issues on any of these pistols. I am not sure what their wait time and turn time is these days. The other big consideration these days when shipping out a gun for custom work is the cost of UPS shipping. It will add about $100-$125 to the cost of the custom work to ship it properly fully insured.

The other thing I like about CGW is that they stand behind their products and their work. I have not heard the same about the CZ Custom shop. I owned one of Angus's 75Bs years ago and it was slick. I let it go because the DA reach was too long for me. I know some people have gotten sub par guns from the custom shop and they have been able to get them corrected to their satisfaction. I know even a monkey falls out of the tree every now and then but it is how you deal with it that makes the difference. CGW will also talk to you over the phone and offers great tech support if you are doing your own install. There are also lots of Youtube videos on replacing and upgrading CZ with CGW parts.

I have short triggers in all my CGW CZs. I remember when Schmecky AKA David Milam was first developing his short reach trigger. He posted about them on THR and was looking for testers. I got one and that was when I realized CZ sear cage work was not for me. LOL He grew that concept into an amazing business so I like to support him

Shadow 2 with the 10X Bushing. I am not sure the bushing makes a difference because I can't shoot well enough to know. I threw it into the build because it was already there and they were giving a discount at the time. The work made a very good out of the box shooter into a excellent gun.

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CZ 75B This one is setup similar to the Shadow 2. I used it when I took the KH and LAV pistol course with a lot of other CFF members. It made me look like a better shooter than I am so it has that going for it.

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Steel P01. This one has the trigger set more at defensive shooting numbers.

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I converted mine to SAO. Flat trigger, race hammer, trigger spring, Adjustable sear. Biggest issue I had was adjusting the reset with enough movement to also disengage the firing pin block. Initially the gun would not fire. Not a good outcome.
 
I did the DIY works on my SP-01, not rocket science but not the easiest pistol I ever worked on.
As I recall the hammer strut pin was the hardest challenge as it is pressed in very tight, everything else is just detailed step by step methodical disassembly and reassembly.
Still SA/DA with decocker only configuration.

CZ sells very well made guns and I am thrilled with the GGW works upgrade.
 
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I have a 97 B (.45) with the CGW SAO pro package flat trigger. Trigger is super slick and short reset. Was installed by CGW with no regrets.
 
I'm definitely following this thread. My SP01 is a good, reliable and accurate pistol but it is.....uninspired.

The trigger shape is no good and the pull is mediocre at best. I'm glad to see some things can be improved for a modest investment.
 
Mine is 9mm w/o decocker, supposed to be a little easier to work on. Thinking maybe have them do one and then decide for others. Gonna reach out to find how long the wait is.

I dislike the look of a straight trigger, but have never tried one other than on a 1911, and that’s a different geometry.
 
JimB said:
Mine is 9mm w/o decocker, supposed to be a little easier to work on. Thinking maybe have them do one and then decide for others. Gonna reach out to find how long the wait is.

I dislike the look of a straight trigger, but have never tried one other than on a 1911, and that’s a different geometry.
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Dont be scairt, Jim. There's really nothing to em 😁

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It all looks easy until you break the seal on that sear cage, that’s when things go flying around the room!

People think the Ruger Mkii is hard, but that’s just a flick of the wrist, this thing is like reassembling a watch. Give me a 1911 any day!
 
Jmoser said:
I did the DIY works on my SP-01, not rocket science but not the easiest pistol I ever worked on.
As I recall the hammer strut pin was the hardest challenge as it is pressed in very tight, everything else is just detailed step by step methodical disassembly and reassembly.
Still SA/DA with decocker only configuration.

CZ sells very well made guns and I am thrilled with the GGW works upgrade.
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One of the pins looks like a roll pin, but is flared at both ends so you’ve apparently really got to work at getting it out with a punch.
 
I put a $25 CGW spring kit in my SP01 and the change was enough to stop there and call it good. Jim you're welcome to try it out.
 
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Frack N Cylons said:
I'm definitely following this thread. My SP01 is a good, reliable and accurate pistol but it is.....uninspired.

The trigger shape is no good and the pull is mediocre at best. I'm glad to see some things can be improved for a modest investment.
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A simple spring kit from cgw can fix the pulls by about 30% or so. Huge difference. An old style 85c trigger will fix that other issue.
Ballpark it at $70 or so plus shipping
 
wvsig said:
I have a CZ Shadow 2, CZ-75B and an all Steel P01 with the Pro packages. They are all very nice. I had them do the work. Opening up the CZ's sear cage is not for the faint of heart. IMHO If you are going to do it yourself I would get CGW Tools. The real benefit of having them do it is the smoothness you get in the finished product and the reset dialed into the point where it is as short as they can get it with it still being reliable. The same goes for the trigger pulls. I have not had light strike issues on any of these pistols. I am not sure what their wait time and turn time is these days. The other big consideration these days when shipping out a gun for custom work is the cost of UPS shipping. It will add about $100-$125 to the cost of the custom work to ship it properly fully insured.

The other thing I like about CGW is that they stand behind their products and their work. I have not heard the same about the CZ Custom shop. I owned one of Angus's 75Bs years ago and it was slick. I let it go because the DA reach was too long for me. I know some people have gotten sub par guns from the custom shop and they have been able to get them corrected to their satisfaction. I know even a monkey falls out of the tree every now and then but it is how you deal with it that makes the difference. CGW will also talk to you over the phone and offers great tech support if you are doing your own install. There are also lots of Youtube videos on replacing and upgrading CZ with CGW parts.

I have short triggers in all my CGW CZs. I remember when Schmecky AKA David Milam was first developing his short reach trigger. He posted about them on THR and was looking for testers. I got one and that was when I realized CZ sear cage work was not for me. LOL He grew that concept into an amazing business so I like to support him

Shadow 2 with the 10X Bushing. I am not sure the bushing makes a difference because I can't shoot well enough to know. I threw it into the build because it was already there and they were giving a discount at the time. The work made a very good out of the box shooter into a excellent gun.

4ZdxINE.jpg


HDnLA9A.jpg


CZ 75B This one is setup similar to the Shadow 2. I used it when I took the KH and LAV pistol course with a lot of other CFF members. It made me look like a better shooter than I am so it has that going for it.

ybfyUaM.jpg


Steel P01. This one has the trigger set more at defensive shooting numbers.

eHgPBIy.gif


pTcJH6a.jpg
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I am lusting over that steel P01, been on the lookout for one of those to send to fords for hot blueing for a minute now!😍😍😍
 
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NoNameHaveI said:
I am lusting over that steel P01, been on the lookout for one of those to send to fords for hot blueing for a minute now!😍😍😍
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The thing is a tank. I bought it directly from CGW and had them do the work before they shipped it.

You hear about them from time to time but I have not seen one come into the country for a while.
 
Word is 8 weeks backlog plus 8 weeks to get it through their shop.
Solid maybe.
 
wvsig said:
That sounds about right. Does that include any refinish work?
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No, don’t expect to need any since it’s all internals. I don’t plan to date it, just shoot it.
 
JimB said:
No, don’t expect to need any since it’s all internals. I don’t plan to date it, just shoot it.
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LOL IIRC they send their refinishing work to another vendor is the only reason I asked. They did a nice job cerakoting my 75B. It has held up better than any other cerakote job I have ever had done.
 
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