Cheytac Match

I'm registered for it. Red squad.

Although...he wants to start at 6:30 am which means I'd need to either get a hotel night before or leave the house at 3:30am. My attendance is looking.....questionable.
 
Lee Satterfield said:
Anyone shooting the Cheytac match in Chesterfield this Saturday?
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Yes

@Tim Im heading out Friday night after my son goes to bed around 8

If it’s warmer, I’ll throw up a hammock. Last time I used a poncho liner and slept in my car.


I sleep terribly. I’d rather drive when I’m awake instead of trying to drive when I’ve slept for maybe an hour. Too dangerous for me and other drivers. It was really peaceful and quiet last time. I was the only person on the entire property and got to look at the stars through my moon roof.
 
@Tim are you shooting the April team match?

I need a team mate if you’re interested
 
11B CIB said:
@Tim are you shooting the April team match?

I need a team mate if you’re interested
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I'm shooting the Panteo DMR match the weekend before, not sure I can get away with 2 weekends in a row during Spring Break.
 
Tim said:
I'm shooting the Panteo DMR match the weekend before, not sure I can get away with 2 weekends in a row during Spring Break.
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And I can’t shoot at Panteao since I’ll be OCONUS getting the coronavirus :(
 
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11B CIB said:
@Tim are you shooting the April team match?

I need a team mate if you’re interested
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When is it? I’m just getting into this thing but might could work it out. Taking a Lr class at BangSteel this month.


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Lee Satterfield said:
What are y’all shooting? Open or TAC?
I shot Tac last time and we would have cleaned the course of fire but my team mate wimped out and didn’t shoot the 5th KYL target.
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I’m in Tac now. Working on a 5.56 load. Was shooting my Valkyrie in beginner but the Beginner division has been canceled due to some....dissension in the ranks
 
Lee Satterfield said:
It was a bad idea from the start. Made for sandbagging.
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Disagree. It was a good idea but a couple crapbag people with a cheating mentality ruined it.

The only thing they should’ve done was not allow people from Open/Tactical to partner with Beginner Division shooters. That’s what started the whole problem.

Having a Beginner class was what gave me the final push into competing there for the first time. A rookie division where I could see what worked, what didn’t, get coached here and there (wasn’t allowed in the other divisions), etc. I was planning on moving to Tactical after I had these 8 matches under my belt because it was giving me time to learn what I needed as well as save up for that equipment. Thats out the window, now. It is what it is...can’t do anything about it at this point
 
I understand what you’re saying but it was destined to fail. People will lie cheat and steal to get a plaque or recognition at a local match.
Put some prizes on the table and all bets are off.
The only way it would have worked was no prize table for the beginners division. No incentive to cheat.
PRS, USPSA IDPA, 3GN, none have a beginners division. There is a reason.
 
Lee Satterfield said:
I understand what you’re saying but it was destined to fail. People will lie cheat and steal to get a plaque or recognition at a local match.
Put some prizes on the table and all bets are off.
The only way it would have worked was no prize table for the beginners division. No incentive to cheat.
PRS, USPSA IDPA, 3GN, none have a beginners division. There is a reason.
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I've found this to be completely untrue.

People will still cheat even with no prizes available!
This has happened here in NC at 3gun, uspsa, and others.
One guy who worked at a local range was found to have cheated locally and all over the country, even against top pros with no prizes or incentive to cheat at all!
A top pro noticed for some time wackiness with times ran, and times recorded in practiscore.

This dude was editing scores all over the place when he had the tablet for RO'ing. Still can't get my head around why someone would do this, but they do.
 
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Lee Satterfield said:
There is no way to determine who is actually a beginner. It was honor system only. Destined to fail. If you want to compete, go compete. Best shooter wins. No participation prizes.
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For the record, my response to your quote was only to the part in bold.

I agree with your points on beginners, personally. But I can see 11B CIB's point as well.
 
Lee Satterfield said:
There is no way to determine who is actually a beginner. It was honor system only. Destined to fail. If you want to compete, go compete. Best shooter wins. No participation prizes.
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The requirements for a beginner was less than a year of competitive shooting. I’ve been shooting on flat and two way ranges for quite a while and my first couple matches I REALLY sucked. Despite being able to shoot tiny groups that translated to exactly jack when the stage requirements were put into play. Now I only marginally suck and can recognize my mistakes as I’m making them.

And maybe some other shooting sports SHOULD have beginner/intro classes. Might get a lot of people involved who normally are too intimidated or whatever to get in the game. Crawl walk run so to speak. The last thing I want to do is get paired with a guy who’s in the running for points, drag him down, and ruin his chance at actually being competitive on the leaderboard when I’m the furthest thing from it in those divisions
 
Its hard to cheat in BR or F-Class. It's you and the paper and there are multiple shooters on the line. But it can be done. :rolleyes:
 
Sounds like you guys need to go to turkey shoots, where there is no cheating.
 
11B CIB said:
The requirements for a beginner was less than a year of competitive shooting. I’ve been shooting on flat and two way ranges for quite a while and my first couple matches I REALLY sucked. Despite being able to shoot tiny groups that translated to exactly jack when the stage requirements were put into play. Now I only marginally suck and can recognize my mistakes as I’m making them.

And maybe some other shooting sports SHOULD have beginner/intro classes. Might get a lot of people involved who normally are too intimidated or whatever to get in the game. Crawl walk run so to speak. The last thing I want to do is get paired with a guy who’s in the running for points, drag him down, and ruin his chance at actually being competitive on the leaderboard when I’m the furthest thing from it in those divisions
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The guys at the top of the leader board probably sucked when they started. Go shoot and have fun. A year from now only the guy that took home the trophy will remember who won. Nobody else will care.
My teammate is a great shooter but had a bad day last Saturday and our standings reflect it. It happens. I could be the goat next time.
I also shot with a guy that didn’t have a partner. I went second, so I didn’t shoot a lot, and it didn’t effect my score, but I hope I helped him learn a little. It’s 50% shooting and 50% knowing how to play the game.
 
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Downeast said:
Its hard to cheat in BR or F-Class. It's you and the paper and there are multiple shooters on the line. But it can be done. :rolleyes:
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As long as they let your buddy score while you shoot, there will be cheating in F-class. F-class scoring needs to be by the target puller and the shooter needs to be anonymous to the puller. BR group matches had to incorporate moving target backers to reduce cheating. BR score would be hard to cheat but I'm sure as the sun rises and sets that its been done and is being done. Cheating is human nature.
 
The difference in a game and a sport I guess. It's a bit harder to cheat in a sport since you are basically competing against yourself. Like mountain climbing or scuba. When you compete against others (generally referred to as "games") is when human nature takes over and you have to have referees and judges and such.
 
11B CIB said:
That’s been the plan the whole time. Nothing wrong with commenting on changes to the match that affect me, however.
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Changing after folks have a paid is bad policy IMO. Let it ride, learn from it and make changes next season. That match is still going thru some growing pains. I am very impressed with the flow. They’ve got that figured out well.
 
Downeast said:
The difference in a game and a sport I guess. It's a bit harder to cheat in a sport since you are basically competing against yourself. Like mountain climbing or scuba. When you compete against others (generally referred to as "games") is when human nature takes over and you have to have referees and judges and such.
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I agree, but even in mountain climbing and solo ventures like that, you have cheaters. Or at least you have people who make claims about stuff that maybe didn't happen. Made me think of Colin O'brady.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/2020/02/the-problem-with-colin-obrady/
 
Lee Satterfield said:
Changing after folks have a paid is bad policy IMO. Let it ride, learn from it and make changes next season. That match is still going thru some growing pains. I am very impressed with the flow. They’ve got that figured out well.
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This is my take. You can't change the rules 3/8 of the way through the game.

I shot one match there and had a good time. If it weren't 4 hours away, I'd be all over this series!
 
Zbizzle911 said:
Anyone going to the range clinic day they're having on May 23?
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I did the one at the beginning of this year before the 2020 season, which was nice being able to chronograph certain rounds I was shooting, etc, get dopes for atypical distances (420yds for example versus even 100yd increments). Helpful when your target is a 50% IPSC at that distance

I was debating this one because additional practice from a tripod and learning to shoot from a piece of rope off the clock might be handy for the match
 
11B CIB said:
I’ve done one before which was nice to chronograph certain rounds I was shooting, etc

I was debating this one because additional practice from a tripod and learning to shoot from a piece of rope off the clock might be handy for the match
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Yeah I was just looking to get my feet wet in the precision rifle competition world. I've shot several comps but nothing in the PRS type stuff. It's about a 2.5 hr ride for me but I'm thinking of doing it. I might try to shoot the May 30 competition not sure yet as I would be getting off work that morning
 
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