Choosing the Best Handgun Solid.................

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Solid? We can define "Solid" technically as a bullet made of one material such as an all brass or all copper solid would be common. But for our discussion here, we will also talk about Full Metal Jacketed bullets as well, and maybe even some plain old cast bullets, which would be technically a solid as well...... There are Solid Trauma inflicting bullets as well, such as the Lehigh Extremes, but for this discussion we are going to limit it to Deep and straight line stable penetration, or deep diving solids........

In my world a properly designed "Solid" is used for maximum straight line penetration for large dangerous game, primarily for Elephant, hippo and buffalo, used in large bore rifle cartridges. Most all of the Factors of Solid Terminal Penetration for Rifle Bullets, also apply to Solid Handgun Bullets. The big difference between Rifle Solids and Handgun Solids is depth of penetration, it is common for properly designed rifle solids to penetrate my test medium from 50-70 inches of straight line, stable penetration, dependent upon the 8 known factors of Terminal Solid Performance. With a handgun it is vastly less, in a 45 ACP or 9mm a properly designed solid, and even less than desirable RN solids will only penetrate from 9-12 inches in the same medium. Larger capacity cartridges, such as 45 Colt or larger will go to 25 inches +...... regardless, much less than what a big bore rifle bullet can accomplish. Now keep this in mind, for any comparison to animal tissue, the test medium has to be "Aqueous".... I have used for 25 years a combination of wet news print and every 10 inches a 1.5 inch layer of magazine material. The magazine material adds about 30% to the density of the medium. This medium is far more dense than Ballistic Gel and will give much less depth of penetration. You would be hard pressed to test rifle solids in Ballistic Gel simply because of the amount you would have to have. Over many hundreds of animals taken a basic rule of thumb that I have worked out is that with Solids one will get on average about 35% more depth of penetration in animal tissue than my test medium here. Testing in anything that is not "aqueous" really has no bearing or meaning, since animals are aqueous, and not made up of dry materials.

This first post will only be an introduction to the topic of the discussion. In each post thereafter we will look at the specifics of Handgun Solid Penetration, and how they relate to what we KNOW for a fact about Rifle Solid Penetration. Below are the 8 Factors of Solid Terminal Performance........ Related directly to Rifle Solids. And they are in order of Importance.

My Plan will be to study the following;
45 ACP
9mm
45 Colt/454

Factors Involving Solid Straight Line Penetration & Depth of Penetration

#1 Meplat Percentage of Caliber

#2 Nose Profile

#3 Construction & Material

#4 Nose Projection

#5 Radius Edge of Meplat

Above Factors are in Bullet Design

#6 Velocity

#7 Barrel Twist Rate

#8 Sectional Density
 
Perfect! Exactly the things I've been researching over the last few years and in the calibers I've been looking at, with the addition of .357.
 
I regularly travel and hunt where there exists dangerous game and my search for a handgun bullet and load for my .44 was an eye opening exercise. Particularly, I found a harder material was not always better. I'm happy to share my conclusion, but certainly don't want to derail the work you are embarking upon!
 
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Handgun Solid penetration is extremely limited when compared to rifle cartridges. But, the objectives and goals are also completely different. When a Solid or FMJ transfers to Terminal Penetration it becomes a "Front End Drive", the profile of the nose steers the bullet from the point of Terminal Penetration. This is why Meplat Size and Nose Profile are #1 and #2 of the Factors of Solid Penetration, and very evident in rifle bullets. It also becomes evident in handguns to a point as well, but not so much in 45 ACP compared to other cartridges, simply because of its limited velocity and limited penetration.

Below is something we all know very well, good old 230 Ball, or FMJ........ Here we see 10 inches of penetration, I make no mention of the bullet going off course, both were found at 10 inches depth and not much more to it. If we had increased the velocity this bullet would go off course somewhere between 12-20 inches and become unstable at some point, if it were fired from a rifle......... but at 800 or so fps, the depth of penetration is stable enough to get it to 10 inches, it simply has not gone far enough to become unstable yet. In rifles, RN FMJ Or Solids are unstable, there is no traction in the front to drive straight. RIfle Round Nose can make it to anywhere from 14-25 inches before going astray, veering off course, turning sideways and in many cases leaving the test medium at odd angles. This can also happen in animal tissue, I have seen it many times, but here in 45 ACP and its limited penetration, it can go the distance.

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One of the all time favorite FMJ Solids from years ago was the Hornady Flat Nose FMJ. We know a Round Nose does not cause very much trauma, it pokes a hole, that is about the extent of it. However add a Flat Meplat on top, you have more surface area hitting the target, causing more trauma right up front. A Flat Nose FMJ/Solid is far more stable than a RN during terminals. When a Flat Nose begins terminals it creates a bubble around the bullet, the bullet travels within this bubble and essentially gets somewhat of a free ride you might say, allowing it to penetrate deeper. The size of the meplat determines stability, which is why Meplat size is #1 ........... We know for a fact in rifle bullets a 65% meplat of caliber is required for the bullet to be stable during terminal penetration, less than 65% meplat the bullet cannot stabilize itself. At the time of these tests I did not bother to measure meplat size of any of them, I would guess the Hornady is around 50-55% meplat of caliber..... Guess mind you.....

We see we gained about an inch in depth of penetration. While it may not seem like much, it actually is in this test medium.

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And now for the last entry in 45 ACP I am going to show you my current Favorite Solid for 45 ACP. This is the CEB (Cutting Edge Bullets) Flat Nose Solid Copper bullet at 200 gr.
The Meplat size is much larger as you can see, this means it hits harder up front, it also is far more stable during terminals because of the larger meplat size. Penetration has increased over the 230 gr Hornady, because of Factor #1, larger meplat, and also factor #6 Velocity. Those that continue to have any concerns over Sectional Density, you can see why SD is only Factor #8, and the other factors are more important............

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9mm.................................

I had not really put much effort into 9mm Terminals until a couple of years ago. I really just did not think it was much worth the effort, its 9mm for gods sakes....... well maybe so, but regardless of that, it is still one handgun cartridge that nearly all of us have, and even carry, yes, I too have a foot tub full of them. I do despise to load 9mm as well.

In 2019 @BatteryOaksBilly put me on a mission to load a 147 gr bullet to 1200 fps, wanted a Flat Nose 147. Before I could intervene he had already bought an ungodly amount of Speer 147s for me to work with..... I had paid little attention to various Flat Nose FMJ 9mm, but I did have some RMR 115s and 147s as well on hand....... Also at this time I was not doing pressure work in 9mm, I just did not have a proper platform to work with in that area, so I worked with case measurements to determine max pressure.

Using a Browning Hi Power I was only able to get to 1150 fps or so with the 147 Speer before I started getting a feeling that this was about top end, and I really should stop here, so I did. In 2022 @Hashknife took such an interest in some of the things we were doing here, he took it upon himself to work with a 9mm Platform that we could do some pressure work, and as it turned out the load for the 147 Speer ended up being 37800 PSI. Safe but a little on the Plus P side of things.........

One of the dismal things I immediately noticed about these Speer 147s was the Meplat Size, it was tiny, it only measured to 43% of caliber, I had a feeling it was not going to be stable during terminals. As you see below it was indeed not stable, X1 to 8 inches, X2 to 10 inches and X1 made it to 11 inches, all were stable to 8 inches where they started to veer off course, all were found at the end of penetration sideways......... 4 bullets, 3 different depths of penetration, all veered off course, NOT STABLE..............

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I also took measurements of meplat size on the RMR bullets I had, The Meplats on both were somewhat better, the 147 RMR had a meplat size of 53% of caliber, and the 115 gr RMR was at 59% of caliber. I had a theory that the RMR 147 would improve somewhat over the 147 Speer, but I also had another theory that the 115 with the larger 59% meplat would be more stable, and in addition at a higher velocity would actually perform better than either of the 147 gr bullets....... OK, I guess we will see ..................

The 147 RMR did indeed show some improvements in stability, still stable to 8-9 inches before beginning to move, even at lower velocity than the Speer test overall I felt they did a decent job of it.........

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Stepping up the velocity in the 147 RMR made a big difference in the Stability of the bullet for depth of penetration. Now we see the bullet is stable to 12 inches of penetration, and all 4 made it to 14 inches total......... Are you beginning to see and understand the trends of stability and the effect on straight line penetration and also depth of penetration? And do you begin to realize what Factors are involved with these? We see simply increasing the velocity (Factor #6) of the 147 RMR really made a big difference in stability and depth of penetration.



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I was very pleased with the 115 RMR FN FMJ at 59% meplat. They were very close to equal performance of the 147 RMR at higher velocity. They far exceeded the 147 Speer terminals as I suspected they would. We see the Larger Meplat size of 59% of caliber and velocity start to have an impact, and SD being of little import.

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We are also beginning to see some of Factor #3 coming into effect with the higher velocity RMR bullets, Factor #3 Construction and Material. We see by this photo the higher velocity RMR bullets beginning to concave and deform the meplat. This has an effect on depth and stability as well, to what point it is undetermined right now because we do not have a test with a true solid copper or brass bullet, but I am betting it will make a difference.

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A few weeks ago I received a notice from CEB about a new Gen II 9mm solid copper bullet. I had paid little attention to what CEB had in 9mm and did not even realize there was a Gen I............ I investigated, become intrigued and knowing what I know about solids, I had to have a look ........ I put in my order.............

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How do we measure meplat size? I use a ink stamp method, ink the meplat of the bullet, make at least 5 or so stamps of it, measure the best I can.........
I found the Gen I bullet had a 60% Meplat of Caliber, and the Gen II Bullet has a 55% Meplat of Caliber........... Both I believe will be suitable and provide
good depth and stability, and at least, plenty good enough. I plan on conducting some tests in the coming weeks with this, and can return results back on this thread for you.
First however, I have to establish some loads, and feed them through enough variety of platforms to assure feed/function capabilities, no need wasting time testing unless we are confident of feed/function.

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I am really impressed with both bullets..................

One last mention here and I figure 380 Auto is close enough to 9mm to include...... Some years ago I obtained a couple of 380s. I am not loading this, and will never entertain such, however I bought some nice little 95 gr Winchester FN FMJ Loads, and was intrigued, I had to know........ I also had some regular old Round Nose FMJ, so tested those as well.......I will let you draw whatever conclusions you wish............

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I had read that truncated cone designs tended to track straighter. Curious on comparison to round nose flat point.

What about material variations, such as plated designs over softer lead vs jacketed or hard cast. Do the plated bullets deform too quickly of do they hold their shape?

What about radius off the meplat? I have one design where the inked meplat is smaller than the holes left in a target. Presumably, the effective meplat continues to some degree down the radius to the sides.

This is my current 9mm bullet...
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This is my current .45ACP bullet...
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Now that we have covered the basics in the 45 ACP and 9mm we will step up the Handgun Solids to 45 Colt and 454.

First we will look at my Favorite 45 ACP Solid, the CEB 200 gr FN...... while it is .451 caliber, I tested in 45 Colt and 454. Accuracy could be better, and I do not use this bullet in either cartridge because 45 Colt and 454 really needs to be .452 for good engagement. Regardless of this, there is a very huge increase in depth of penetration and hitting ability with increased velocity. Looking back we see at 947 fps in a 45 ACP we managed 11.5-12 inches of straight line penetration..... now see what the extra velocity does, Factor #6

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CEB Makes a very serious Handgun solid in .452, the 300 gr #13 Copper Solid. The #13 refers to the 13 degree angle off the nose, it is the same design we did with all the Rifle Solids. The meplat size is 70% of Caliber.

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Moving to a 16 inch Winchester M94 in 45 Colt and notable velocity increase.......

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Big Cast Bullets are very popular in some of the larger bore handgun cartridges. Before the days of properly designed Solids, this is what we had. Factor #3 Construction and Material comes into play here, technically a cast lead bullet is a solid, solid lead. But as we know, lead is softer than copper, and copper is softer than brass........... Once material begins to "Flow", deform, performance decreases........ A few examples of cast bullet performance........ These were actually tested for a book a friend of mine did a few years ago GunDigest Book of Hunting Revolvers by Max Prasac. These results are found in this book........ I am only showing you a few samples of this work........

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It is easy to see the difference that Material makes................ If we were looking at bone contact, it would even be more dramatic..........

I have several friends that are heavy Handgun Hunters, Max being one of those among a few others. They always bitched, moaned and complained about the meplat size of the standard 300 gr CEB #13, which is 70%. Handgun hunters have learned to depend on large flat meplats for heavy hitting up front to make up for the lack of rifle hitting ability and trauma. In this, they are not wrong, that big flat meplat is a heavy hitter for big bore revolvers used for hunting the most dangerous of game. My argument was that the 70% meplat bullet would penetrate deeper effecting more tissue deeper than a larger meplat, they argued that the larger meplat would destroy more tissue up front than the 70% meplat. I am not sure who is "Most Correct", because both points have merit..........

I decided to relent somewhat and had a special run of 250 80% Meplat Bullets made.

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And of course, we indeed found the 70% meplat penetrated deeper than the 80% and that the 80% Meplat destroyed more medium/tissue up front than the 70% meplat....


This concludes my little show and tell, what applies with these tests for the most part will apply to other handgun calibers and cartridges as well. Hope that this little bit helps you make better decisions on choices you make in the future.............especially concerning Terminal Effects of handgun solids.................
 
I had read that truncated cone designs tended to track straighter. Curious on comparison to round nose flat point.
I would concur with the truncated nose profiles, and of course one must consider the meplat size as all important, reference the 147 Speer and the 147 RMR under 9mm........

What about material variations, such as plated designs over softer lead vs jacketed or hard cast. Do the plated bullets deform too quickly of do they hold their shape?
Any lead, and I would think plated designs would begin to deform much quicker than most FMJ designs, hard cast being no exception. Perhaps in 45 ACP where velocity is limited you would get some less deformation but as velocity is increased you will get flow of material. This is one reason I much rather use the Solid Copper Solids, at handgun velocity there will be no flow of materials, and also you can depend on these to crunch bone and other more solid objects........

What about radius off the meplat? I have one design where the inked meplat is smaller than the holes left in a target. Presumably, the effective meplat continues to some degree down the radius to the sides.
A proper radius on the meplat edge is required for maximum performance. We found in the early days sharp edges lost stability the last 5% of total depth of penetration, a radius edge was stable for 100% of the total depth of penetration. The sharper edge busts the bubble as velocity decreases. Obviously the meplat size must be adequate as well...... Radius Edge #5 of the known factors of Solid Terminal Performance..........
 
It’s fascinating the flat meplat travels further and straighter than a round nose. It’s not what I expected. I tried a quick YooToob search for a slo-mo vid in clear gel, to no avail. But that’s me and internet searches
 
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What about material variations, such as plated designs over softer lead vs jacketed or hard cast. Do the plated bullets deform too quickly of do they hold their shape?

Plated projectiles can be out of round by up to a few thousandths. Gravity can affect the plating ( or coating ) and cause a "run"...
In effect, basically a "high" spot..

Basically similar to painting a projectile and then having the paint "run".

I shoot with a USPSA Double Grandmaster. One day we had some plated bullets we were shooting and he just could not get the bullets to group the way he wanted. We switched to some of his Montana Gold projectiles and the issue disappeared. Switch back to plated bullets and the groups got ugly. We stopped to eat lunch and discuss. I pondered about the "roundness" of each type of projectile and asked him if I could take a few of each and check them for runout.

I put the plated projectiles into a collet and ran them in a CNC lathe to check diameter runout with a Starrett "Last Word" dial indicator. These indicators are used alot in ultra precision measuring applications.
I found plated projectiles can have runout from a few tenths ( .0001") up to a few thousandths ( .001" ).
That can be a lot of wobble when the projectile exits the muzzle spinning at high RPM.

The swaged jacket projectiles never exceeded .0003" out of round....

The fully machined projectiles that @Michael458 uses are probably even more precise due to them being machined on high end Swiss Turning Machines.



@Michael458,
This is some fantastic work!
Great info for the handguns, and great info especially for the ever popular "EDC" 9mm round.
 
It’s fascinating the flat meplat travels further and straighter than a round nose.
It goes "Extreme" when you get to rifle bullets.............. Maybe that can be shown at some point, but this data is extensive and 1000s of tests and rounds fired in calibers all the way up to .620.............
 
It’s fascinating the flat meplat travels further and straighter than a round nose.
Just one example of what happens with rifle solids, and in this case shows without doubt when it comes to terminal penetration of Solids, just why SD is the #8 Factor, and dead last. SD will only come into effect when ALL other Factors are the same...........

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In my readings, when they went to test the Keith style semi-wadcutters, they were surprised to find the front driving band, the first portion of the bullet that is full diameter, did not touch the medium, as commonly believed. That, as mentioned, the flat meplat created a "bubble" the rest of the bullet followed. There was also something about the meplat creating a uniform resistance on the face of the bullet and thereby creating a straight track. And is somewhat self-correcting. While a round nose was easily diverted from its path, even without striking intervening objects, like bone.

I was always curious that pictures of recovered long heavy round nose solids seemed bent and dented. I believe this is due to the bullet going off track and turning sideways to the flight path after striking the animal.
 
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Like this one recovered from elephant....... turned sideways, and this is why #3 Construction and Material is important, but of course, if #1 and #2 is proper, it won't turn sideways anyway................

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That, as mentioned, the flat meplat created a "bubble" the rest of the bullet followed.
This is a fact, a bubble is indeed created. We have marked bullets with a magic marker, information on the sides of the bullet. Recovered, all the markings are still intact and show zero sign of being touched, smudged, smeared in any way......
I was always curious that pictures of recovered long heavy round nose solids seemed bent and dented. I believe this is due to the bullet going off track and turning sideways to the flight path after striking the animal.
Yep.......... as stated, once terminal penetration begins, a solid becomes "Front End Drive"........ the nose does the steering. If the meplat size is less than 65% of caliber, then it will not be 100% stable, Round Nose being the worst, no meplat at all, and no steering mechanism...... a vehicle with no steering wheel...... This is why Meplat Size is #1 in the Factors of Solid Penetration. This being very evident in rifle solids, and with handgun solids you can get away with less than optimum because of much less depth of penetration to show issues that might arise because of poor design, example 45 ACP and 9mm total penetration between 10-14 inches.......... Upper end Rifle Solids can go 65-75 inches......... Which all equates back to an increase in animal tissue at 35% rule of thumb..........

In the next week or two hopefully we will be testing the two CEB 115 gr 9mm Solids, which can add to our data somewhat......... That will be combined with some 450 Bushmaster tests with various bullets.
 
As you know, we invested in CEB 115 gr Solids recently. I was very impressed with the way they looked. There is a Generation I that is slightly different, and has a 60% Meplat on top…… Nice…… Generation II has a smaller meplat at 55%. Now I am not sure why, but I would guess that maybe someone might have been having issues with the 60% meplat, I don’t know that, but maybe so Dan made a 55% meplat. I really didn’t think it would make a hill of beans difference, maybe some, but not enough to matter? Well, maybe, maybe not……. I tested feed/function in my Kimber 1911 9mm and in a 3 inch S&W Shield. I had zero issues or malfunctions in either gun.

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Since we had tested last year the RMR FMJ FN 147 and 115 gr and the sorry ass little 147 Speer with the tiny meplat, I was curious to what a superior made bullet might do. I had low expectations, its 9mm, probably 12-14 inches done and out……


I got a surprise….. We tested yesterday…….


The Gen II 115 Solid did better than any 9mm FMJ we have tested to date. It stayed steady to 15″16″ which is further than any of the other 115s or 147s…….. Velocity is good, I used the 5 inch Kimber gun. Velocity helps I know, one major consideration is “Construction and Materials”, FMJ will start to flow and move at 1200 fps….. a solid copper bullet will not.

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The Gen I 60% Meplat did even better, and was a huge surprise for a 9mm 115 gr bullet. It was stable to 15″ to 16″ and started moving a slight bit, total penetration for the 3 tested was 18″ and 19″ far exceeding expectations, I should have ordered more of these……

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Well, Michael, you tested 4 Gen II Bullets, but only 3 Gen I Bullets? WTF?


We did test 4 bullets, but one of those bullets actually hit an old bullet Sam and I had tested over 10 years ago, it was an oversized .458 at .460 that we had tested in the OSR tests. Now I did not use OLD TEST Medium in this mix, it was all new stuff. ?? Now how this bullet got mixed up in the mix, I do not have a clue, other than maybe this one somehow was in the magazine/catalog material, or was on the shelf and somehow got picked up…… Its a mystery I tell you now……
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… but none the less the little 9mm ran into a freight train from the looks of it, and not much damage to the big .458 caliber solid, as you see…………..


LOL

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I suppose that big brass is much harder than little copper…………
 
Random question I’ve been wondering about. How would a lead flat nose (hard cast or not) compare to these preferred copper solids? Similar to these from Underwood listed as :

https://underwoodammo.com/9mm-luger...ket-flat-nose-full-metal-jacket-hunting-ammo/

 
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Random question I’ve been wondering about. How would a lead flat nose (hard cast or not) compare to these preferred copper solids? Similar to these from Underwood listed as : https://underwoodammo.com/9mm-luger...ket-flat-nose-full-metal-jacket-hunting-ammo/

Material wise...

Lead is soft
Copper is much harder than lead
Brass is harder than copper

I would say that lead deforms and cannot be pushed as hard as copper ( or brass )...
thus, the performance of lead would be less.
( Assuming all other variables are the same )
 
Stuff like this is why I no longer fawn over fancy pants hollowpoints and magical doodads. Solid chunk of metal do good.
Yep, there are no magic bullets. Just some better than others.
 
Better Engineered
Better Materials
Better Manufacturing Methods
Better Testing Methods

Better overall performance!
Does anyone make a commercial solid copper with the desired meplat?
 
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