Civil war refresher

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toddje said:
...why do the southern states talk about slavery in their secession documents?
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I'll remind you that you linked to a document that counted four such states, plus a "fifth" that only used the term as an adjective to describe a general collective. 13 states seceded. I get the sense that you're smart enough to handle the math that four is much less than thirteen. Not even half, and not nearly a quorum. Yet, you continue to spring-board your argument off such misinformation.
 
toddje said:
It s this Yankee Scum stuff that really gets tiring. I understand you hold to the Lost Cause side of thing, but Ive about had it with calling your fellow countrymen names in broad strokes.
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Yeah the reverse is also true.
 
toddje said:
It s this Yankee Scum stuff that really gets tiring. I understand you hold to the Lost Cause side of thing, but Ive about had it with calling your fellow countrymen names in broad strokes.
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Anyone seeks to rule me from Mordor on the Potomac is a scumbag. And they're NOT my countrymen.
 
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toddje said:
Yeah... Ive been calling people names now?
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You've hidden the name calling in more flowery speech but it's pretty clear you hold the entire south in very low regard and feel that the entire south was a bunch of slave loving, slave owning, treasonous group of people despite the fact that only a very small percentage of southerners owned slaves.

You've made it pretty clear that any government founded in slavery has justification for anything else while ignoring the fact that many northerners owned slaves and it was part of the finding of our nation.

But somehow the northern aggressors have to be seen as fellow countrymen while their southern counterparts are not?
 
toddje said:
I don't think there's any new theory in this. Like most normal Lost Cause stuff, it holds Lincoln to an impossible moral standard and at the same time gives everyone in the south a free pass on the issue, then goes to argue that the North was evil for "subjugating" the south while (again) simultaneously ignoring the fact that millions were held against their will in the south at the same time.

But it did make me wonder... if all of this was about taxes, why do the southern states talk about slavery in their secession documents?

Why didn't Lee march right into Washington DC after 1st Mananas and force surrender of the Northern Aggressors?

If slavery was going to die on its own, peacefully, why do you suppose Kansas was so close to becoming a slave state? Why do you suppose millions of cool-headed Americans didn't feel that way at the time?

If Lee and Jackson are so revered, why not Longstreet? This is a dead serious question. The guy that could've saved the CSA at Gettysburg had anyone listened, nearly without a statue anywhere...

Interesting that a Fallwell guy would call Lincoln a white supremacist, by the way.
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We've already had this debate on the Canadian forum. It's pointless to have it again here. Ultimately you're free to believe what you want and I respect that. I provided a reading list on the other forum, and I posted it here in an earlier thread. Instead of telling you to go read all those books, I will again point you to only one.
Blood money : the Civil War and the Federal Reserve by John Remington Graham
You can get it on Kindle for 10$. You can read it in less than 2 hours.
I'll guarantee it will blow away the false narratives of North good/Lincoln good/ South bad, and South was good/North bad.
 
toddje said:
OK, I will ask you AGAIN then to tell me why we needed an EP. Its total bull spit to ask like you know the answer, not provide it, then tell me my answer is wrong because of my preconceptions. Clearly your preconceptions are that of a Lost Cause enthusiast, so answer the question. WHY Did we have an EP?
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Okay, I'll do it again.
  • #104/#148 - Section 9 of the Second Confiscation Act of 7/17/1862 provided a basis for freeing slaves 6 months before the Emancipation Proclamation.
  • You asked why Lincoln issued the EP if the SCA provided the legal power to free slaves. (#151)
  • #154 - The first part of the EP was a PR effort and threat to persuade Confederate states to return to the Union.
  • You said the EP influenced the British (correct) but denied that SCA Section 9 freed slaves (incorrect). (#155)
  • #161 - Again quoted SCA Section 9 that slaves "shall be forever free of their servitude, and not again held as slaves."
More simply, the Emancipation Proclamation was a public relations ploy.

Although it undermines the Lincoln legend, Congress actually provided a legal basis for freeing slaves through the Second Confiscation Act.
 
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