CMP 1911s have started shipping.

Discussion in 'Military Surplus - Curios & Relics' started by wvsig, Nov 14, 2018.

  1. wvsig

    wvsig Well-Known Member

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    Looks like an old junk 45 for $1000... No thanks...
     
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    Mike Overlay Well-Known Member Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    but but but, History
     
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    LizardKing Alright Alright Alright Charter Member

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    Rattle trap? Looks a like a GI surplus handgun to me, and I'd love to own it. Not crazy about the electopencil though...
     
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    wvsig Well-Known Member

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    Here is another one....

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    Ikarus1 Avtomat Krishna-kov

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    details: Rand slide, Ithaca lower, 45 auto marked barrel and electro pencil "OD 79" arsenal mark.

    Yep exactly what I expected, mixmaster rebuilds for a grand......they can milk this cash cow from fools and collectors.
     
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    wvsig Well-Known Member

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    I was joking. The electro pencil was done at the time of rebuilt.
     
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  8. Gator

    Gator Parts guy Charter Member

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    Just a bit of info from CMP on these, this is from an email that went out a week ago-


    "1911 UPDATE - NOVEMBER 6TH

    Our Random Number Generator (RNG) has selected random numbers for all the packets received. We are working on assigning those random numbers to the 19,000 packets we have received. This will take some time - PLEASE BE PATIENT! It may take 30-60 days to inform you of your random number. Please DO NOT CONTACT US ASKING WHAT YOUR NUMBER IS.
    As we process orders, we will call customers as we work through the list.

    **If your information has changed (you have moved or your FFL has gone out of business), please DO NOT CONTACT US. You may update us when your number is selected and we contact you.

    WE ARE NO LONGER ACCEPTING ORDER PACKETS.
    Everyone will be notified if their order packet was not accepted so please be patient and bear with us.

    Currently, we do not have a date when we will begin auction sales. Once that is determined, we will update our customers

    Please check our website for updates - http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/.

    Thank you for your patience and support."

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    pfcustom Happy to be here

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    Like Ikarus said. Rem Rand slide, ithaca frame. But, hey FJA inspector mark is correct for either one. And it’s HISTORY!!
     
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    B00ger Das B00G Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Being “historic” isn’t always important, or even good. The bubonic plague is history too...just sayin...


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    Ikarus1 Avtomat Krishna-kov

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    Honestly I don't see the point of a mixmaster 1911 refurbed at a military facility vs a nice Colt produced series 70 with a set of decent sights, nice blued finish and maybe some decent grips..........unless you're a collector. And then, these have minimal collector value at that.

    So it is welfare for CMP. That simple. And the fanbois continue to fan and fawn.
     
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    JimB Picking it up slowly. Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    The outcome is clearly better than throwing them all in the trash, and it seems like they may be over sold for this first batch, so maybe pricing was too low.

    Strikes me like a hot IPO, folks get all excited and bid it up, after a bit they look at real performance and they sell. I’m guessing that a lot of folks were willing to risk $1,000 on getting something really good that they could flip, we’ll see if they are willing to take losses. However it goes I’m sure there will be some interesting gunbroker ads in the next month targeting folks that missed the opportunity.
     
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    I am not sure I agree completely. I personally am not a collector. I already have a current 70 Series Colt. I put my name in the hat hoping to get a USMC re-arsenal that I will give to my father in law in a shadow box. He carried one as a Marine in Vietnam. It would have "sentimental" value and meaning for him. If it was not for that I would have probably past. More than likely my number wont come up and I will not have to worry about it.
     
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    Ikarus1 Avtomat Krishna-kov

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    That's one case I can see trying for a specific type. Good luck man I hope it works out.

    I wonder if someone will be trying to do with for OIF vets with the Beretta M9 in 40 years? My bet is they'd rather have a new Glock :D
     
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    I’ll start by saying that I have a great deal of respect for the CMP. I ordered and received a Springfield M1 Garand from them earlier this year and love it! I am a collector and when CMP anouced the 1911 progam I looked forward to adding a piece of history to my collection. That is until I read the requirements and pricing. They seemed to have fell into “stick it to the collectors” high prices as the other C&R retailers. And the additional steps to background checks was over the top - I would have expected more support from an organization as large and respected a as the CMP.
    I’d love to have a surplus 1911 but not at that price and effort to get one. I’m out.
     
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    Gator Parts guy Charter Member

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    "So it is welfare for CMP."

    You could look at it that way.

    From their web site-

    "The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is a national organization dedicated to training and educating U. S. citizens in responsible uses of firearms and airguns through gun safety training, marksmanship training and competitions. The CMP is a federally chartered 501(c)(3) corporation that places its highest priority on serving youth through gun safety and marksmanship activities that encourage personal growth and build life skills. Links on this page will lead you to more detailed information about the CMP and its programs.
    Statutory mission. The federal law enacted in 1996 (Title 36 U. S. Code, 40701-40733) that created the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety, Inc. (CPRPFS, the formal legal name of the CMP) mandates these key “functions for the corporation:

    1. To instruct citizens of the United States in marksmanship;
    2. To promote practice and safety in the use of firearms;
    3. To conduct competitions in the use of firearms and to award trophies, prizes, badges, and other insignia to competitors.
    The law specifically states: In carrying out the Civilian Marksmanship Program, the corporation shall give priority to activities that benefit firearms safety, training, and competition for youth and that reach as many youth participants as possible."



    Firearms sales is how the program is funded. Welfare? Maybe, maybe not.

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    All valid points. I suppose if other retailers had the 1911s they would be trying to get double what CMP is asking.
    WVSIG has a great looking 1911 considering it’s age.
     
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  18. JohnFreeman

    JohnFreeman You can reach 113, but you can never leave! Benefactor Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    I'd love one, but not at $1K. It would be fun to hold it and ask "if you could only talk" as is true with most surplus firearms.

    But just not 1k$ worth of fun.
     
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    Complete with Col F J Atwood stamp. I too will pass...
     
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    BatteryOaksBilly A SHOOTER Benefactor Life Member Supporting Member

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    Now SEE...That's funny.
     
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    I have a small collection of USGI 1911’s and will be passing on these guns. Fortunately, I paid less than $1000 a piece for most of the guns I have and they are probably nicer than these mixmaster will be.

    Granpa’s gun that got me started.
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    Now that’s the kind of 1911 I’d like to get my hands on. Fortunately for you, CMP has increased the value of what you have - lol.
     
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    I put my hat in the ring to see what shakes out, for two reasons, both of which are worth some money to me:

    1. To make liberal heads explode (keeping them out of the jaws of "Captain Crunch")
    2. To channel funds to the CMP, because I believe in their mission (if it saves just one child from not shooting :D )

    Haven't heard anything yet, and that's fine. I'm patient and not wrapped up in all the hoopla. And no unrealistic expectations about how "good" they are, or how much they are inherently worth. I have commercial 1911s that I shoot. I enjoy my CMP M1s, and like shooting them in matches. We'll see about the 1911s.
     
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    Looks better than I expected.

    I like the Colt with the replacement slide. If I knew I would get a Vietnam-ish era rebuild in good shape, I'd happily have ponied up. That would fill a hole in the collection and Vietnam era collectibles have yet to fully come into their own.
     
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    I have stated this before that these pistols are overpriced and may, have some sentimental value to some person here or there. I agree with a previous poster who intimated that the CMP has become another commercial enterprise and has strayed from the CMP's original mission statement. If I truly want a 1911, I can purchase a nice accurate and reliable RIA (which I have already done) for a reasonable price vice a mix matched, over priced 1911 (that cost the govt. $26.00) that may or may not have sentimental value to some.
     
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    The original cost of a new 1911A1 in 1943 was $37.77 per some Internet research, with inflation that places the 1943 cost at $957.63. Not much different than what the CMP is charging now.

    The CMP's revenue stream is limited to what the Army will send them. At some near future point they will no longer have surplus arms to sell so they need to build up their bank account now for future civilian marksmanship training.

    If I wasn't limited on funds I would've put my package in for one. I carried a 1911A1 on and off for 13 years and wouldn't mind to have one for sentimental reasons. I already have two Colt civilian government models for my shooting needs.
     
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