CMP Winchester M1 Service Grades

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Surprise from the CMP...Winnie service grades now for sale at $930. I sent in an order (aka, put my name in the hat). You never know...the receiver might be the only Winchester part on the rifle :rolleyes: Fun anyway. Especially since I have just two: a Springfield and an H&R. Would love to round out things with a WRA and an IHC one day.
 
Nice. They give you any idea of what the wait time would be?
 
Nope, never do :) The process is, send in your form, you get an email (referred to as "DBU" or Don't Bug Us email) that says your order has been received, then status is updated in their online estore. Status generally goes from "received" to "shipped." Typically for a special sale item, the early ones ship fast and the later ones take a little longer. When they are behind, they are behind...but I have ordered ammo and received it the same week...

The real unknowns are: how many are there, and what shape are they in (will they have mostly USGI wood or mostly new CMP wood; will they have lots of WRA parts or pretty much just the receiver, etc).

Lots of folks go on the CMP forum and post when they sent in the order, when it was received, and when their rifle shipped. Knowing their order number and yours, you can estimate fairly well when they will get around to yours. I think the first couple of people already have shipment notifications. Announcement went out on Friday, but I didn't see it until Monday mid-day :( Without knowing how many they have...I have no idea if my order will get there before they sell out. It's due to arrive Wednesday (tomorrow).
 
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Well, SOMETHING is coming...just got the DBU email, and the order is in the estore and processing.
 
This is my third M1 ever, over the past four years. This morning, I opened that box. Lo and behold, an absolutely gorgeous (to me) stock in great shape, and I did ask for USGI wood, if at all possible. A casual inspection finds no visible cartouches. Nicely struck serial. ME/TE of 1+/1+. 1/64 SA barrel, 2/64 SA rebuild. Of the parts I could get at in a hurry, all seem to be SA (which makes sense). Unobtrusive handwritten rack number 849. Handguard fit/looseness is about perfect. Definitely needs greasing.

I'm pretty happy. OK, I'm very happy! I would have loved a WRA barrel...but this looks like a REALLY NICE RIFLE. :D
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Looks like a solid mix master. I like it!
 
All I need now is an IHC "tractor gun" :D
 
2/64 SA rebuild.

I like the rebuilds, just adds a little more history to the rifle for me. One of my M-1's is a 11-65 RRAD IHC.

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How can I get one? I would also like one of the 1911's that will hopefully coming soon.
 
Diverdad said:
How can I get one? I would also like one of the 1911's that will hopefully coming soon.
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It's pretty simple to purchase rifles (and other things like parts, accessories and surplus ammo) through the CMP. You can get the order forms off the CMP website here:

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/ordering-information/

You just have to print and fill out the order forms, get the eligibility form notarized and submit the forms along with proof of age, citizenship, membership in a CMP affiliated club and proof of a marksmanship activity. The eligibility requirements and proofs accepted (or forms for such) can be found here:

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/eligibility-requirements/

As for the CMP affiliated club requirement, I'd suggest joining the Garand Collectors Association:

http://thegca.org/

The GCA is simple to join online only costs $25 per year, and you get a quarterly magazine for your dues. Plus, the GCA sends its membership list to the CMP, so they can just look you up after you join.

As for the 1911's, the word is that even the worst condition junkers will be $1000+.
 
Yeah, even though I have three M1s (always told myself I'd just have one, then "two is one and one is none," then Winchesters (well, receivers anyway :D ) showed up...I'll likely pass on those 1911s, IF they show up.

Until a bunch of pictures get posted on the CMP forum, and get me all stirred up.

Or maybe not.

We'll just have to see!
 
East of Here said:
It's pretty simple to purchase rifles (and other things like parts, accessories and surplus ammo) through the CMP. You can get the order forms off the CMP website here:

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/ordering-information/

You just have to print and fill out the order forms, get the eligibility form notarized and submit the forms along with proof of age, citizenship, membership in a CMP affiliated club and proof of a marksmanship activity. The eligibility requirements and proofs accepted (or forms for such) can be found here:

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/eligibility-requirements/

As for the CMP affiliated club requirement, I'd suggest joining the Garand Collectors Association:

http://thegca.org/

The GCA is simple to join online only costs $25 per year, and you get a quarterly magazine for your dues. Plus, the GCA sends its membership list to the CMP, so they can just look you up after you join.

As for the 1911's, the word is that even the worst condition junkers will be $1000+.
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Yes to all that. It's easy to do. I use CCW for marksmanship activity, passport for citizenship, and the GCA is easy. The most trouble is getting a notary. One of our employees is a notary, which makes this all TOO easy :D
 
RFMan said:
Yes to all that. It's easy to do. I use CCW for marksmanship activity, passport for citizenship, and the GCA is easy. The most trouble is getting a notary. One of our employees is a notary, which makes this all TOO easy :D
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And you only have to notarize the form once. They keep it on file for like 5 years afterwards, so you can just keep ordering stuff with minimal hoops after the initial. I see they just dropped the price on the Greek surplus HXP ammo too. I might oughta grab another can or two...
 
The notarized form is valid for three years.

The Greek HXP has gotten a bit high for my blood, compared to PPU and S&B commercial M1-compatible options. I have a few spam cans, and LOTS of .30 cal ammo cans with loose HXP. I mean LOTS :D Like, I need to spend more time shooting...a common lament!
 
Same here. I still have a few of the sealed spam cans of HXP in en blocs and a few ammo cans of the loose HXP ammo that I tumbled and load onto empty clips whenever the need arises. I had to skip the CMP Eastern Games this year due to jaw surgery, so I have not shot my Garands much this year, so my ammo stock is good. And though I tried to maintain my willpower, I could not help myself and dropped an order form for a Winchester in the mail today.
 
Most credit unions will notarize your papers at no cost if you have an account,
same for brokerage firms if you have an IRA or other account.
 
Button Pusher said:
Most credit unions will notarize your papers at no cost if you have an account,
same for brokerage firms if you have an IRA or other account.
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I think this is pretty standard for all financial institutions. I've always gone to my bank to get stuff notarized. I now use a CU and it's the same. Since I work at corporate HQ, we have a legal dept who will also notarized stuff for us.

I'm not holding my breathe on the CMP 1911's. I would jump all over some M1A's when they finally come around, though.
 
When I shot the CMP Eastern Games last year, I sat in on the new shooter orientation class. It was run by the current manager of the North Store, Steve Cooper, IIRC. Of course, both the 1911's and Korean Garands got brought up at some point. He basically said that the CMP itself did not ask for the 1911's and really did NOT want to have to deal with the 1911's. He said they were mostly worn out junk, and it would require a lot of effort and work for them to get ready to deal with them if they ever had to take and sell them - and implied that in the CMP's thought processes, that the expense would not be worth the effort. He also reiterated that the CMP's real mission is marksmanship training and that the rifle sales have always been just a means to an end. He all but said that CMP could not wait to finally be finished with the business of selling guns, whenever that may happen.
 
Well, I put off sending in an order for a Winchester for a week kinda hoping they'd run out and save me some money but that didn't work. Got my rifle today.

It's a 1.3mil serial number ( June 1943 ) receiver LEAD 5/65 rebuild. This is a very nice M-1. Looks like it went through the rebuild process and has been in storage ever since. I'd say the same for RFMan's rifle above as well.

Springfield 12/64 barrel, ME1+, TE 1+.
WRA bolt
NM -RA ( Remington ) op rod which is kinda cool since Remington didn't make any M-1's.
Springfield trigger housing with perfect locking lugs on the trigger guard
Springfield hammer
Very distinct Letterkenny triangle stamp. These don't often last since they were in ink and not embossed into the wood like the cartouches. That's one reason I believe this rifle has been in storage for the last 50+ years, plus no wear on the locking lugs on the trigger guard.

It's dry as dust, I'll give it a light cleaning before lubrication.

I'll get some pics up in a day or so.

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Sent my order in this past Monday, we'll see what happens.
 
The website shows them as sold out as of today. I sent in an order on Friday, but it has not hit the e-store and I have not gotten a DBU yet, so I hope I made the cutoff.
 
Luckily, I just checked the e-store and my Order has been added! I also see that the credit card has been hit. No DBU, shipping date or S/N yet, but it looks like mine should ship in the next couple of days at the latest. I was getting worried that I might get the sold out - rejection email.
 
They were posted sold out as of yesterday. Orders en route before that should (historically) be filled.
 
I did not mail mine with tracking, so I had no way of knowing if it was lost or what. And after the carbine derby fiasco, anything is possible. I certainly hoped mine was there waiting to be logged in, but did not know until it hit the estore. I am really surprised these lasted this long on order, even considering the $$$ premium on a mixmaster build.
 
Delivered today. December 1942 receiver date. GI lower wood with no visible stamps or cartouches. Aside from the receiver, it is mostly Springfield Armory with a couple of H&R parts. August 1952 Springfield barrel and a Remington national match op rod. It will be a good shooter to save the wear on my H&R.

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...aaaaaand now WRA field grades are announced. $830. Get your field grades, step right up! I'm going to hold fast with what I have.
 
On the bright side, the field grades are guaranteed to have GI stocks. But I got GI wood on my SG, so I think I am good also.
 
Well, truth be told, I did NOT hit the lottery on this order by any stretch - I got exactly what the description promised, nothing more and nothing less. But I always make my ordering decisions based on the worst case scenario from the description, so I am never really disappointed. It is funny, but there are a lot of people bitching on the CMP forums about getting a rifle like I got, instead of some pristine, nearly all wartime parts matching WRA rifle with matching stock, lockbars, etc. Life is too short...

As for my GI wood, it had some greased paper fused to the stock, and I had to steam it off, so it will have to be refinished now. No cartouches present, so the decision is easy.

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Well... the supply is drying up but the demand is there. Sadly, the golden era of cheap M1's is long gone. I can recall buying near-new wood-less Dane rifles for $295 apiece from the CMP South Store and paying around .18 cents a round for M2 ball.

You want atrocious? when I was up at the North Store during the national matches, they were peddling mix-master M1D rifles for $3k a pop, with no scope or accessories.
 
I've only been doing M1s for a little over five years, but those snipers have ALWAYS been too rich for my blood in that time.

I got out the PTO and cheese cloth and went over this Winchester SG (the one up near the top of this thread). It was pretty clean to start with. Also took it down. I don't know enough to ID non-marked small parts, but everything that has a number on it is an SA part. I THINK the park was done during the SA rebuilt in 64. No markings whatsoever on the stock, inside or out...but it sure looks mostly unmolested since the rebuild. It was pretty dry; the only lube on it was a little nearly-dried grease on the top of the bolt. Planning to shoot it next weekend; got some 1970 HXP to run through it.
 
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I picked up a field grade M1D a few years back and added a repro mount and scope. It is fun, but the repro mounts really suck and I rarely shoot it.

On the other hand, I greased the new Winchester and took it out to Frontline Defense today, and it was dead on at 300 yards. It's numbers gauged at ME 2 and TE 3, but it is a great shooter. I am pleased with it.
 
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