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So send a smoke signal for all your 911 needs?
Cooper gonna shut it down
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Where'd you race at? I spent 34yrs at Hickory
Anything held in a bank is only yours as long as government (and other parties) agree that it's yours and agree to let you have it. Similar logic applies to owning silver, gold and other metals. Anything other than physical possession is no possession.
Pretty soon it won't be just the fire department, but the police department as well. Once the Free Stuff Army learns that the govt. is no longer an impediment and only the armed citizen, they're going to party.
Did you know Judson Devine?
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Won't do it. But, we HAVE passed Weak men create hard times.
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Bread and Circuses. Long established precedent.
Depends on where you are, I suppose: https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/...olice-under-gov-wolfs-stay-at-home-order.html (yes, I know we're talking about NC here)
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Day 14 of the Meck Co quarantine.
Day 14 I’ve left the neighborhood in my truck.
The streak stays alive.
Day 14 I’ve left the neighborhood in my truck.
The streak stays alive.
Well, I for one am satisfied that giving tickets to citizens walking along the beach in Wrightsville is the smart thing to do, if you're too stupid to catch them at Walmart. Take heart! If you do become infected, Ivermectin ( horse dewormer) seems to kill it. Similarly, Panacur-C (dog dewormer) has corollary effect on cancer and non - tubercular mycobacteria in the lungs. My wife had both and now is clear. Chemo twice then scary prognosis. Sample of one among several survivors. Doctors can't prescribe either, even if you're dying.......
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If you do Facebook, there is a pretty large group that is growing by leaps and bounds called "ReopenNC". Looks like people are waking up. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1071729406534210
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If we haven’t created (as a state or nation) enough temporary triage and hospital capacity at this point to withstand the increase of “reopening” then We are seriously doomed as a nation and not sure WTF we been doing besides watching 300% more porno and going bonkers in our houses.
nearly everyone will get exposed to Coronavirus 19. It’s here to stay. Like chicken pox, influenza blah blah. With the number infected, it’s now part of our biological ecosystem. We known that now for many many weeks.
All of this has been to protect the overwhelming of hospitals. In other words, having everyone get it over longer period of time rather than spike.
I’m doubtful we are prepared for “the spike” of reopening as pathetic as that is at this point since we have had so much time. Stimulus packages were meager handouts to individuals for which many including myself did not even qualify for. That money should have gone into cross training medical professionals in infectious disease and respiratory medicine. Instead our hospitals are doing mass lay offs.
the whole thing is just one big, exorbitantly expensive cluster &@$( of embarrassment at this point.
nearly everyone will get exposed to Coronavirus 19. It’s here to stay. Like chicken pox, influenza blah blah. With the number infected, it’s now part of our biological ecosystem. We known that now for many many weeks.
All of this has been to protect the overwhelming of hospitals. In other words, having everyone get it over longer period of time rather than spike.
I’m doubtful we are prepared for “the spike” of reopening as pathetic as that is at this point since we have had so much time. Stimulus packages were meager handouts to individuals for which many including myself did not even qualify for. That money should have gone into cross training medical professionals in infectious disease and respiratory medicine. Instead our hospitals are doing mass lay offs.
the whole thing is just one big, exorbitantly expensive cluster &@$( of embarrassment at this point.
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Nurses and other hospital staff are actually being put on furlough. No elective surgeries. No non emergency surgery. No non emergency or "non serious" appointments. Oh the irony. God help that Covid if it does ride into town. We're ready! Seriously this is so serious, it's too bad the kittens are too tangled up in the yarn for any honest person to ever untangle the mess. And the walls come a tumbalin' down..
I’ve said a few times that one of the biggest casualties might be the corrupt corporate - insurance racket (as in racketeering) system for healthcare in this country. It’s another example of where millions of parts all moving towards their own monetary greed interests did not magically produce a resilient, well run system.
Unless you are willing to state the source this is just nothing more then an attempt to rile up people with a ridiculous post. Why in the world would you think the the LEO's are looking for more contact with the public then what they have right now? They also have families that they are not looking to bring the virus home to infect them. Not to mention there are enough idiots on the road today that they could write tickets every five minutes if they wanted to make money for the town the way people drive around here.
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Medical care is big business now instead of the humanitarian charity it traditionally was. It's amazing we have such great doctors and brilliant scientists still creating phenomenal treatments and care. I have the utmost respect for their intelligence and devotion to others. On the other hand..damn. A benefit of getting so old is you remember the way things were. Tempting to say they were better, but it's hard enough to comprehend how or just why everything changed so dramatically. Probably impossible without a PHD investigation that no "educational" institution would ever permit. So called health insurance is a fairly recent concept, ie "major medical" that sprang out of Eisenhower's price and wage controls, attempting to cool a booming economy. Nobody had it back then. More importantly - didn't need it! Then Utopians drove charitable hospitals out to pasture, regulations regulations. AMA guild protection. Alphabet Federal agencies. Big money. It devolved shall we say... CDC is a vaccine dealer and it's pimp. WHO is a globalist shepherd pushing the flock into pens. Vaccinate everyone. Chips in everyone. Thank you, Fauci, Gates, D. Rockefeller! Oh and economic collapse? The Virus, the Virus! Oh, my God ( big government) do something! Fear or Love? Machiavelli taught to use one over the other. What an amateur!
I have a number of clients who are doctors and constantly I hear about holding companies or venture capital firms buying up practices.
So instead of doctors buying/owning practices, its companies with no medical background who are soley in it for the money.
So that's a big part of it.
Absolutely. Regulations have killed small businesses and turned medicine into just another one. "Non profit" hospitals, like $Duke$Health$ have destroyed or bought up ordinary local hospitals that are now considered "for profit". LOL ! UNC isn't much better but can hide under the state owned gown - open in the back. Financial vermin have gnawed into every storehouse of decency.
I dont think regulations have as much to do with it as every venture capitalist trying to weasel their way into every nook and cranny of our economy and milk an industry for all its worth.
Look what happened to Remington. You take a company that builds up a solid reputation, it gets bought by a private equity firm hoping to cash in on the name, then they cut corners to maximize profit without any regard to quality since they're not from that industry & you have what Remington is now: a total joke of a company.
Now apply that to medicine except lives are at stake and some scary outcomes start popping up.
Look what happened to Remington. You take a company that builds up a solid reputation, it gets bought by a private equity firm hoping to cash in on the name, then they cut corners to maximize profit without any regard to quality since they're not from that industry & you have what Remington is now: a total joke of a company.
Now apply that to medicine except lives are at stake and some scary outcomes start popping up.
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Agreed. I firmly believe they don't want to get into "you were doing 12 over" interactions right now.
But the people that tell these lawmen what to do..mayor, city council, county council..they have no problem sending these guys to do ridiculous stuff. And I think that often these 'law makers' don't even realize what they're asking because, well, they're stupid and detached.
But if you were to ask them to do the same thing, they'd look at you like you were a moron.
Lots of talk coming from New York City about triage. Deciding about who gets a ventilator and who doesn’t. Sound familiar? High risk patients such as upper elderly passed for younger patients and people with other conditions left for later supplies. It’s not being done here in NC but who is to say it doesn’t happen given more cases. Novant is sending Chinese Flu patients to one location and most start on a ventilator when they come in after being sick for days.
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IMHO, O'care was primarily about restructuring the entire health care industry and enabled people with the resources to make Tons of $$$,$$$,$$$.$$.
Pre-Obamacare and during the battle to Ram O'Care through many healthcare industries were already being restructured behind the scenes and O'Care HAD to Pass to make good on all the restructuring that had been started and had even passed the "No Retrun" mark on initial investments.
Oh, how about us, the people?
We were and are secondary, period.
After all, without a voluntary (?) return path for $$$.$$ then the healthcare industry would be all out Robbery.
Thanks, Obamacare! Health insurer stocks soar
Who says Barack Obama is bad for Corporate America?
Sure, the president is still not exactly a BFF of the big banks. He has proposed a tax on the liabilities of the nation's largest financial firms.
And in Tuesday's State of the Union he said that the nation can't "put the security of families at risk" by "unraveling the new rules on Wall Street."
But there's one big industry group that owes a huge debt of gratitude to President Obama: health insurers. UnitedHealth (UNH) reported earnings that topped forecasts Wednesday morning and its stock rose 3% to a new all-time high as a result.
Related: Obamacare website sends your data to private companies
More coverage = higher revenue and profits. UnitedHealth has outperformed the broader stock market by a wide margin since the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, was signed into law in March 2010.
https://money.cnn.com/2015/01/21/investing/unitedhealth-earnings-obamacare
Typical result of socialist tendencies. Eliminate choices and smaller companies because it is easier to control a handful of large companies. Plus patronage only works well with limited partners. Can’t take bribes and payoffs from too many players. Government choosing winners and losers. What could go wrong?
As of April 15 DCWC is going to off-hours. That means DCWC will be open the same as DPRC, members only. The Board, in their wisdom, removed all chairs from trap and 5-stand areas because we can't be trusted to sit too close to each other. The clubhouse is closed so no bathroom facilities - but we have 100 acres with about 30 or more acres of treed areas.
I think it is more a concern about true capitalism with transparency and free markets versus crony capitalism where politically connected profiteers get laws passed that kill their competition... E.g., Obama care regs, etc. that were/are too onerous for small practices to afford.
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I'm reading reports from all over that hospitals are way below capacity. Anecdotal I grant, but it adds up. An emergency field hospital in Seattle closed because nobody had checked in. Last I heard there are only a couple dozen people on Mercy.
I think some of it depends on the department, too (i.e. Seattle). But what's more troubling, IMO, is how many of them are just going along. Where's the push back from the front lines?
I think many of us also forget this is just a job for them. They have mortgages, families to feed, and people that depend on them. I doubt whatever you do when you are told to do something by your boss you PUSH BACK and tell him that you are not going to do it. They are in the same boat. Unless they are told to do something illegal why would they risk their livelihood?
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Maybe because we expect them to hold themselves to a higher standard?
And maybe because we expect them to obey the very same laws they're enforcing? Or because we expect them to NOT be a threat?
Let's take a look at that church drive-in service, where you have a bunch of families in cars in a parking lot. The cops went car to car, with no protective gear, passing around the same pen. WHO was the real threat there?
Or the guy playing ball with his daughter, alone in a park. Again, cops arrest him, using no protective gear. Who was the threat?
Are we really ok with a police force that "just follows orders?"
I'm 100% ok with whatever hate I will get but "pure" capitalism is so completely destructive I'm glad we don't have it (even if we do have an almost equally bad crony captialism that stacks the deck for the politically powerful & connected).
"Pure" capitalism lets those with means hoard resources & use that wealth it produces to hoard more resources to the point that no one else can possibly catch up. Not to mention that without any regulation or checks, companies have zero incentive to make their products work/safe/effective. $$$ is the bottom line. Think buyer beware? Sure take that medication you need that hasn't been tested. If you die then that'll just warn others not to take it right? That's how you get armed revolution, not upward and free economic mobility.
"Pure" capitalism lets those with means hoard resources & use that wealth it produces to hoard more resources to the point that no one else can possibly catch up. Not to mention that without any regulation or checks, companies have zero incentive to make their products work/safe/effective. $$$ is the bottom line. Think buyer beware? Sure take that medication you need that hasn't been tested. If you die then that'll just warn others not to take it right? That's how you get armed revolution, not upward and free economic mobility.
That is so ignorant in this day and age I wouldn’t even know where to begin. I’ll just say that nobody alive today has ever seen pure capitalism. And anyone that would compare the robber baron era to now is really slow witted.
And this is why I drink.
The problem with taking a strong position on capitalism ( or any subject really) is that nothing of significance is really all that simple. Human endeavors are wrought with complexity, a ranging chromatic scale of good to bad, the inevitable duality of existence. JP Morgan said, "People do everything for two reasons; the right one, and the real one." We like to pretend we are better than that. Perhaps we are. Nevertheless, in a free market, which some equate with capitalism, there will be winners and losers. On a clean, level playing field the repercussions of losing are not so severe. Government's fat thumb on the scale, however, insures favored enterprise wins at catastrophic cost to losers - not to mention the people who suffer reduced choices. Taxation, regulations including licensure and prescriptive demands and operational diktats destroy upstart competition through the artificially high cost of participation. Eventually only big players can participate. They thrive on choking regulations. Their throat is too big to strangle. Rockefeller monopolized petroleum by putting his tadpole ass on the line with his bull frog mouth. He negotiated vastly reduced freight fees, then had to pay far more than market price to his competitors in order to just fill the rail cars. His competitors became vastly more wealthy as a result than possible under the previous arrangement. That's pure capitalism. And balls.
You lost me when you went off subject and went into the police are a THREAT rant, and them not obeying the same laws they were enforcing. That's really not the subject of the original post where you were expecting them to PUSH BACK if they don't like to do what they are told.
But back on subject. I don't believe that LEO's are there to decide if the law they are told to enforce is right or wrong. That's what judges and the courts are there to decide after the fact. The incidents you quoted in your post will be decided in court if they were legal or not. Them PUSHING BACK would only wind up getting themselves fired or suspended. Again, like I said they have people to support and that are depending on them. When's the last time You PUSHED BACK when your boss at work told you to do something?? I doubt you would if you wanted to keep your job.
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Maybe not exactly the original subject, but the way you frame it appears to indicate a serious misunderstanding of what I was saying. The THREAT they are creating is the exact same THREAT that they are supposedly trying to reduce: exposure to the virus. It's just as much a threat to the officer as it is to the person they're citing. How much virus got spread around THAT DID NOT HAVE TO BE?
Getting awfully close here to "just following orders". Do you want to push back in court after they've busted down your door and confiscated your firearms? Your very argument here precludes you arguing "they won't do that" - they WILL, if they're ordered to.
I had a very similar discussion with someone else earlier today, so let me repeat what I said there:
When's the last time I pushed back? I do it all the time. But there you have the FIRST time I did. My loyalty to the Constitution supercedes ANY "job"
Hell, I'll be surprised if Cooper hasn't already sent our vents to NYC. Lord knows they'll be shipping our rural areas off to the metro areas as soon as the need hits.