Coronavirus and investments

Already started blaming bad orange man with that he is not doing enough and not prepared dealing with COVID-19 to cause the sell off.

I can, with reading some more, See the Lib-Get Trump at all costs- Media make this sound much worse to weaponize this against him too.
It's like a 2-3% death rate with this one... H1N1 is much worse and it's just "the Flu"
 
I heard on the radio this morning that there are aspects of the virus that are not found in nature. The guy said that's not saying that it had it's DNA was altered but that it sure is an oddity. That said I haven't heard much about Hong Kong lately have any of you?

Oh yeah, it's definitely a manipulated / man made strain. Was it released on purpose or did the Bio Facility Janitor sell the monkey at the food market ?
 
Markets are already rebounding.
 
Markets are already rebounding.
you mean falling more slowly?

I haven’t looked overseas today.

This dip is insignificant, the market is overvalued as a result of global economic stimulus and it won’t be long before folks realize that the emperor has no clothes. The good news is that the US market is the place to be when folks figure that out, so our decline will be less than most around the world. Does this pandemic kick it off, or does Trump losing kick it off, who knows, not me.

I’m biased, am holding cash for a 25% drop.
 
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https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/...IBOGY8fv02N4WN5nV85siE5bAUxxgbEPeGID36XvGBPeo


Rush Limbaugh stated during his radio show Monday that he believes the deadly coronavirus wreaking havoc around the world is part of an effort to “bring down” President Trump.”
I have seen so many dumbass comments about this virus, but Rush may have taken the cake.

Yeah, the CCP is going to risk their authority and indeed their own health by releasing a virus into their own population . . . to take down Trump.

For another, this virus is likely to help Trump. Sure, we get economic contraction and mkt selloff now, but once the global outbreak is resolved (likely by April/May), global economic growth and the mkt will bounce back - perfect timing for an incumbent's relection campaign. Without the virus, this overheated mkt might have carried on into the summer and then sold off hard, hurting Trump's chances.

Most people will not believe that a virus that originated in China is Trump's fault, even if the the Dems and media try to sell that. So any economic contraction for other reasons (that could be blamed on Trump) now get rolled into this contraction which will be blamed on the virus.

If I were going to go all out with my collection of tinfoil hats (which I'm not), I'd say that the virus is part of an effort to re-elect Trump. Sounds just as dumb, but at least the rationale is there.
 
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I have seen so many dumbass comments about this virus, but Rush may have taken the cake.

Yeah, the CCP is going to risk their authority and indeed their own health by releasing a virus into their own population . . . to take down Trump.

For another, this virus is likely to help Trump. Sure, we get economic contraction and mkt selloff now, but once the global outbreak is resolved (likely by April/May), global economic growth and the mkt will bounce back - perfect timing for an incumbent's relection campaign. Without the virus, this overheated mkt might have carried on into the summer and then sold off hard, hurting Trump's chances.

Most people will not believe that a virus that originated in China is Trump's fault, even if the the Dems and media try to sell that. So any economic contraction for other reasons (that could be blamed on Trump) now get rolled into this contraction which will be blamed on the virus.

If I were going to go all out with my collection of tinfoil hats (which I'm not), I'd say that the virus is part of an effort to re-elect Trump. Sounds just as dumb, but at least the rationale is there.

Cool thing is, in this country, you can believe whatever you want.

but I’m pretty sure the media is blowing this one out of proportion just like they have every other “Oh my god were all going to die” flu/virus thats come down the pike in recent history.
 
I have seen so many dumbass comments about this virus, but Rush may have taken the cake.

Yeah, the CCP is going to risk their authority and indeed their own health by releasing a virus into their own population . . . to take down Trump.

For another, this virus is likely to help Trump. Sure, we get economic contraction and mkt selloff now, but once the global outbreak is resolved (likely by April/May), global economic growth and the mkt will bounce back - perfect timing for an incumbent's relection campaign. Without the virus, this overheated mkt might have carried on into the summer and then sold off hard, hurting Trump's chances.

Most people will not believe that a virus that originated in China is Trump's fault, even if the the Dems and media try to sell that. So any economic contraction for other reasons (that could be blamed on Trump) now get rolled into this contraction which will be blamed on the virus.

If I were going to go all out with my collection of tinfoil hats (which I'm not), I'd say that the virus is part of an effort to re-elect Trump. Sounds just as dumb, but at least the rationale is there.
Agree that is a far fetched theory and not very plausible at this point. However, Mao Zedong communist revolution executed ~60 million Chinese so spreading a virus that will take out couple of million Chinese is not far fetched if it serves the communist plan in having a US president that is more amenable to their plan of world economic domination.
 
Cool thing is, in this country, you can believe whatever you want.

but I’m pretty sure the media is blowing this one out of proportion just like they have every other “Oh my god were all going to die” flu/virus thats come down the pike in recent history.
Actually, US MSM was underplaying this until yesterday's CDC briefing, which made it impossible to ignore.

CDC was unnecessarily alarmist given their own very restrictive criteria for confirming a Covid-19 case. Either they broaden their criteria and then sound the alarm. Or continue with same criteria and don't sound alarm.

In any event, once CDC sounded the alarm, of course the media had to cover it extensively.
 
I have a question how many people posting in this thread work in the healthcare industry or have a direct family member in the healthcare industry that works in a capacity to actually speak intelligently on the subject?
 
A rumor has surfaced about a possible 100 cases (possible but not confirmed) in the Long Island area ... imagine NYC in a pandemic panic. Imagine Cuomo trying to lead ... AOC running her mouth about Trump causing it some how ... CNN and such jacking up the problem 1000%.
 
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well, my wife's family is all about healthcare: 2 doctors, nurse, pharmacist, various techs...
and what it comes down to is what people want to believe. for example: right now,
the "trend" is to stick a potato in the rectum to "cure" hemorrhoids.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...otato-up-your-butt-wont-cure-your-hemorrhoids

so, in my opinion, accurate health information does not stop or divert or delay a "panic".
prepare for one, anyway.
 
A rumor has surfaced about a possible 100 cases (possible but not confirmed) in the Long Island area ... imagine NYC in a pandemic panic. Imagine Cuomo trying to lead ... AOC running her mouth about Trump causing it some how ... CNN and such jacking up the problem 1000%.
These are people who have recently been in China or been in contact with known infected. They are all in quarantine at home, and have to report to Nassau County health authority daily. 5 test results so far, all negative.
 
So as I noted earlier, I thought the CDC briefing yesterday was unnecessarily alarmist.

Actually, US MSM was underplaying this until yesterday's CDC briefing, which made it impossible to ignore.

CDC was unnecessarily alarmist given their own very restrictive criteria for confirming a Covid-19 case. Either they broaden their criteria and then sound the alarm. Or continue with same criteria and don't sound alarm.

In any event, once CDC sounded the alarm, of course the media had to cover it extensively.
Well, it turns out the person at CDC who spoke in such ominous terms, Dr. Nancy Messonnier, is the sister of none other than Rod Rosenstein.

In addition to allegedly explaining the viral outbreak to her children, she probably also taught them that Orange Man = Bad.

The swamp is deep and full of parasites. There is nothing these people won't do to undermine even a pseudo-nationalist anti-war President.
 
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I've heard that the MSM is playing up the fears of the virus to spark a global economic crisis. They believe that if they can tank the markets bad enough, they can blame it on Trump and claim he's done nothing to help the economy (which if you checked your market returns last year, were stellar).

The MSM is the enemy of the people. They're not there to report the news, or be biased; they're attempting to manipulate an election by destroying people's life savings.
 
I've heard that the MSM is playing up the fears of the virus to spark a global economic crisis. They believe that if they can tank the markets bad enough, they can blame it on Trump and claim he's done nothing to help the economy (which if you checked your market returns last year, were stellar).

The MSM is the enemy of the people. They're not there to report the news, or be biased; they're attempting to manipulate an election by destroying people's life savings.

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An Arkansas sheriff is helping people's investments during this virus scare.
https://www.wbtv.com/2020/02/27/deputies-offer-test-meth-coronavirus-better-safe-than-sorry/
February 27, 2020 at 1:02 PM EST - Updated February 27 at 1:02 PM
ST. FRANCIS COUNTY, Ark. (WMC) - A sheriff’s department in Arkansas issued a clever warning about a possible meth contamination.

The St. Francis County Sheriff’s Office posted a picture to their Facebook page warning people that meth could be contaminated with the coronavirus.

The post reads that the sheriff’s department will test the meth for free, “Please contact any officer and they’ll test your meth in the privacy of your home."
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It’s not clear if the department has gotten any takers on the office’s offer.
 
I am considering pushing my entire IRA contribution for the year into the market today. LOL
 
just to add to my comment above, here's a quote:

"People can demand things that feel safe for irrational amounts of time,"
said Katy Kaminski, chief research strategist at AlphaSimplex Group.
"It doesn't matter, the fundamentals, when people are worried."
 
Regardless of the stock market you would be a damn fool to get on a cruise ship to anywhere. 2-4 thousand people on floating hotel has always been known for contracting sicknesses.
 
I am considering pushing my entire IRA contribution for the year into the market today. LOL
I know the market doesn't follow smooth curves like biological things, but you might want to hold off. doesn't look like that 15% decrease in the last week is done yet...
Meanwhile, I'm thinking I should start thinking about how this whole stock market thing works.
 
it will, in the long run, be AUsome for those who have AGgregated the right stuff.

That is all

In the long run...we all dead anyway...so may as well just move to South America already...


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it will, in the long run, be AUsome for those who have AGgregated the right stuff.

That is all
I would have said that I strongly agree a few weeks ago, but I’m losing faith. Yes metals are up while the market is down, but while the global stock markets are down something like 8T gold is up something like 1.5T. The numbers are very rough, but the point is that far more investors are taking losses than are fleeing to gold. I haven't done any math, but given the yield on debt it seems a significant number of folks are shifting from equity to debt rather than to metal.

To me it looks like investors are betting that this dip won’t become a recession, but all it’ll take to become a recession is for average household spending in the US to dip a few percentage points. I say all, but our spending is like a freight train, as long as employment is good we’ll spend more than we make.

Final thought, perhaps companies are overstating their exposure today in order to position themselves well for earnings reports later this year. They know that the market was sitting on the edge of a correction anyway, so why not control it and position for a future win? Next week I may buy companies that are creating the most drama about their potential exposure.
 
In the long run...we all dead anyway...so may as well just move to South America already...
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There is something to be said for that, in a sense. In the long run, nothing is adequate "preparation" for the uncertainties of life, and moving to SA or something else is simply moving my collapsing house from one sand foundation to another. Neither precious metals, nor the second amendment, nor prepping, nor anything else will save me from a huge collapse, and the destruction will be horrendous. It is all futile in that sense, and it is good for me to hear that message. Would that I kept that perspective in mind all the time.
 
I would have said that I strongly agree a few weeks ago, but I’m losing faith. Yes metals are up while the market is down, but while the global stock markets are down something like 8T gold is up something like 1.5T. The numbers are very rough, but the point is that far more investors are taking losses than are fleeing to gold. I haven't done any math, but given the yield on debt it seems a significant number of folks are shifting from equity to debt rather than to metal.

To me it looks like investors are betting that this dip won’t become a recession, but all it’ll take to become a recession is for average household spending in the US to dip a few percentage points. I say all, but our spending is like a freight train, as long as employment is good we’ll spend more than we make.

Final thought, perhaps companies are overstating their exposure today in order to position themselves well for earnings reports later this year. They know that the market was sitting on the edge of a correction anyway, so why not control it and position for a future win? Next week I may buy companies that are creating the most drama about their potential exposure.

Yeah? Well you ought to be like me, then, maniacally screaming about the coming collapse of the dollar, the consequent social consequences, and the need to have a hidey hole...... for about 15 years!

The only thing I believe I was WRONG about is the tenacity and resources of the large banking/finance cartels to push the results off into the future, and guarantee the coming retraction will be more and more violent and devastating when it comes. So, I still stack gold and silver, and just smile when the deserved mockery comes. Lunatic fanatics always think they are right and everyone is wrong, ya know! :)
 
I heard on the radio this morning that there are aspects of the virus that are not found in nature. The guy said that's not saying that it had it's DNA was altered but that it sure is an oddity. That said I haven't heard much about Hong Kong lately have any of you?
There was an initial study out of India that claimed scientists there had identified sections of the virus pulled straight from the HIV virus and spliced in. That made me sit up and pay attention to the scuttlebut about it being a bioweapon.

Now that it has become clear that the lab techs SOLD THE CARCASSES OF THE EXPERIMENTATION ANIMALS TO LOCAL MARKETS, that seems to have much more plausibility.

Who knows?
 
Yeah? Well you ought to be like me, then, maniacally screaming about the coming collapse of the dollar, the consequent social consequences, and the need to have a hidey hole...... for about 15 years!

The only thing I believe I was WRONG about is the tenacity and resources of the large banking/finance cartels to push the results off into the future, and guarantee the coming retraction will be more and more violent and devastating when it comes. So, I still stack gold and silver, and just smile when the deserved mockery comes. Lunatic fanatics always think they are right and everyone is wrong, ya know! :)
I said that I was losing faith, but I still believe and still enjoy having some stacks.
There was an initial study out of India that claimed scientists there had identified sections of the virus pulled straight from the HIV virus and spliced in.
I think that was proven to be only partly true and then blown out of proportion. The virus does have elements that are identical to HIV, that’s the only part that's true, and it is true of all Corona viruses, it is nothing new, there was no evidence of artificial manipulation of the virus. At least that’s the last I read.
 
I think that was proven to be only partly true and then blown out of proportion. The virus does have elements that are identical to HIV, that’s the only part that's true, and it is true of all Corona viruses, it is nothing new, there was no evidence of artificial manipulation of the virus. At least that’s the last I read.

Thanks for that info. I did not know this. Can you get me a link?
 
Thanks for that info. I did not know this. Can you get me a link?
Being early in the year I am working hard for the government and the poor wretches in our society and would hate to disappoint them, but I’ll look over the weekend.
 
PM’s love inflation, central banks say that they can control inflation while directing any need for a recovery. Not sure that I understand how, but PM investors believed them.
 
High return investments are the most vulnerable. I lost close to 8%. It’ll come back, but a loss is also a compounded loss.
 
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