COVID-19 rant and lack of answers

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What concerns me right now is the effective transmission rate especially in children. Grandsons daycare shut down today because 2 families with 5 children who attend the daycare have had exposure to COVID-19 and are being tested. These 5 children were in 3 out of the 4 classrooms in the day care. The staff rotate between classes so after consulting what ever state agency the decision was made to close the daycare and have everyone self quarantine for 2 weeks or until the tests on the 5 children come back hopefully negative.

What I find aggravating is no one can tell me how concerned or not concerned I should be for my grandson or myself. My grandson was in daycare because my daughter and son in law have jobs where they have to be at work and with my health issues I wasnt able to watch him for extended periods. But since they live with me my Dr says I get to voluntarily quarantine to which he says I should have been doing all along because of my health and to just keep my distance from him until we know what's going on. My daughter will be talking to her boss in the morning to get time off for the duration to be at the house.

And to make it more complicated the Dr asked does my grandson have a temp or cough, well yes, hes 18 months old and teething has a mild temp. About a month ago he had some kind of infection or bug and was given something like Tamiflu for kids and it went away but in the last day a dry cough has returned. The advice from the Dr, if a fever returns or he seems to have trouble breathing go to the ER. Praying the little guy doesn't catch this.
 
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This is my Yankee a-hole wake the bleep up response. Forgive my crassness.

The kid is 18 month’s old. If you are well enough get him/her the heck out of day care. Get your kid or kids to give up the double wide, McMansion or Tesla and take care of their kid. Sacrifices suck, but that is adulting.

Apologize for any offense but people are looking for answers with zero responsibilities.
 
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CZfool68 said:
This is my Yankee a-hole wake the bleep up response. Forgive my crassness.

The kid is 18 month’s old. If you are well enough get him/her the heck out of day care. Get your kid or kids to give up the double wide, McMansion or Tesla and take care of their kid. Sacrifices suck, but that is adulting.

Apologize for any offense but people are looking for answers with zero responsibilities.
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As an ex yankee no offense taken. If it were up to me little man wouldn't be in daycare he'd be chilling with me. Kids and grandkids moved in 2 years ago to help me care for terminally ill wife. She passed and plan was for them to move on but that changed when my health tanked. Now I spend my day giving them gray hair and enjoy being a big kid with my grandkids.

It's not the Mcmansions, the Tesla or adulting that's holding them back it's their sacraficing to help and care for me as hard as I make on them at times. And from where I'm sitting I'd have to say they are pretty responsible to take all that on and I'm proud of them for that.
 
@J R Green As far as this COVID-19 goes I think alot is overblown. It wasnt even on my radar until today I was more concerned with the stupidity of people and the panic they're buying into. Hell I aggravate my daughter by joking with everyone that my health issues will probably kill me long before the coronavirus or a flu will. But for some reason with the little man I may be more concerned because the answers aren't that clear.
 
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Kid likely fine, you need to be careful. You should definitely not be watching kids.

this whole [socioecomic] mess we are in now would have been avoided if guidelines were to “not visit grandparents and anyone retired to self quarantine.

Be careful. Last week or so I’ve gone full “F this virus BS” campaign, but you and folks in your position are the exception.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
I'm more afraid that the real Powers will use this in years to come as a tool to keep the economy where They want it.
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FDIC is issuing guidance for everyone to bank electronically. That means they fear runs on the bank in 3...2...1

Next up: FEDCOIN currency or WORLDCOIN aka mark of the beast.
 
J R Green said:
How scared do you get when a family member gets the flu? Are you a freak out and lock the kid in a plastic bubble type or do you bring them soup and wipe their little foreheads?

That is how you should treat this MILD flu that's got all the soccer moms so upset.
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but if you have underlying health issues, blood pressure, diabetes, asthma.... this can kill you.
 
MadMardigan said:
but if you have underlying health issues, blood pressure, diabetes, asthma.... this can kill you.
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In the words of Warren Zevon, "Life will kill ya". That's no reason not to live.

It's a flu, no worse, actually milder, than the flu that makes its rounds every other year. We didn't freak out over that.
 
MadMardigan said:
but if you have underlying health issues, blood pressure, diabetes, asthma.... this can kill you.
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Isn't that the case with pretty much any flu?

Taking into account the severe lack of identification, including an estimated 86% of infected presenting asymptomatic, the actual mortality rate is probably somewhere around 0.3%

Plus, it looks like there may even be a treatment - Plaquinil has been shown to be effective. Study published yesterday.
 
Well thought I'd update this post regarding the little man. It appears there was exposure to some of the kids at daycare but since he didn't show any symptoms he should be good to go. The Health Department is recommending that when an antibody test becomes available he gets tested to see if he has developed antibodies and possible immunity.

I'm going to guess he didn't get it because if he had and with all the time we spend together it would have gotten me too. Now if I can get his father who works at the hospital and is exposed to COVID-19 patients daily to stop worrying about to bringing it home I'll be all set.

On the upside my house has never been cleaner. He's constantly wiping things down and disinfecting things daily and my daughter is deep cleaning the house every few days. Lol
 
Grandsons are low risk; grandparents are high risk.

Some young kids are getting quite sick but it's a statistically small number. The bigger issue is they are carriers, exposed and asymptomatic, and take it to grandparents.
 
Point of order:

"The 2017–2018 flu season was severe for all US populations and resulted in an estimated 959,000 hospitalizations and 61,099 deaths." ~ Wikipedia

I must have slept through that season's panic. :confused:

IMO, this .gov-induced disruption bidness ain't about the Flugaloo, folks!
 
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You should look into the changes to the FMLA and short term disability rules, I suspect that one parent could stop working and get paid for several months. May or may not be at 100%, I don’t recall, but as you describe your situation the family clearly qualifies. In fact both parents could probably do it.
 
One other thing, in a normal flu season we don’t shut down the economy and lock ourselves in our homes, we don’t wear gloves and masks, we don’t use hand sanitizer by the gallon, and even so we don’t hear about overcrowding at hospitals and refrigerated storage for bodies. That we have done those things and that we are hearing about these problems is a better indication of the virility of this strain of flu than all of the unreliable numbers about what happens in a normal flu season. Don’t you think?
 
JT said:
Point of order:

"The 2017–2018 flu season was severe for all US populations and resulted in an estimated 959,000 hospitalizations and 61,099 deaths." ~ Wikipedia

I must have slept through that season's panic. :confused:

IMO, this .gov-induced disruption bidness ain't about the Flugaloo, folks!
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Maybe... but consider that there were over 30 million cases of the flu. then do the math and tell me how that death stat would look had that been Covid?
 
Ikarus1 said:
More American kids will likely starve to death over the coming Greater Depression economy than worry about some cold or flu-like virus. Hard to be healthy and well fed when 50% unemployment rates are soon to be here.

Perfect scapegoat to institution worldwide socialist policies
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Sure worked the last time
 
Catfish said:
Maybe... but consider that there were over 30 million cases of the flu. then do the math and tell me how that death stat would look had that been Covid?
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Yup, 39-55 MILLION cases of flu and 24-63 THOUSAND deaths

So between .04-.06% low end and .11-.16% mortality high end according to the CDC

The US has just over 400,000 cases of COVID19 with just over 12,800 deaths so far. That’s 3.2%. Significantly higher than the flu. But those are just the numbers talking, what do I know

Italy is at 12.6%: 17,127 deaths from 135,600 cases
 
Catfish said:
Maybe... but consider that there were over 30 million cases of the flu. then do the math and tell me how that death stat would look had that been Covid?
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CDC lists 45 million cases, which makes the death rate just over 0.1%. There is no way (yet) to compare that to the death toll from whatever the current official name for the Flugaloo is. But the uS death count is currently at just under 12,500. I am not known as an optimist, but I can see myself taking the under ... in a uS where the death count was accurately reported, that is.
 
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CDC lists 45 million cases, which makes the death rate just over 0.1%. There is no way (yet) to compare that to the death toll from whatever the current official name for the Flugaloo is. But the uS death count is currently at just under 12,500. I am not known as an optimist, but I can see myself taking the under ... in a uS where the death count was accurately reported, that is.
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Yes I agree. The total # of deaths alone suggests the threat is disproportionate to the response (is that what you were suggesting?) I don't really know the truth.

I've seen each of these viewpoints expressed in various ways in this forum. Which one makes you happy and/or more accurately helps you predict the future?
1) The nation faces a grave threat and is working together - with some success - to prevent a serious illness from decimating the population.
2) Our government is making a big deal out of nothing at the expense of our economy.
3) There's a conspiracy afoot which is leveraging a virus to undermine America as we know it and replace it with a socialist regime.
 
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JT said:
Point of order:

"The 2017–2018 flu season was severe for all US populations and resulted in an estimated 959,000 hospitalizations and 61,099 deaths." ~ Wikipedia

I must have slept through that season's panic. :confused:

IMO, this .gov-induced disruption bidness ain't about the Flugaloo, folks!
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So 61,099 /7 months= 8,7284 per month.

If we go with Feb 1 as start of number of Covid-19 deaths, we are at about 5,681 per month. And we are just in the start.

But the flu is still out there too. Some of the folks that die from Covid might have died from the flu. But there are still folks that are getting the flu and passing too.
Right now influenza deaths are higher than last year https://flu.ncdhhs.gov/data.htm

We have vaccines for influenza, not for Covid
We have some herd immunity for influenza, none for Covid
We have treatments for influenza, not for Covid
We know influenza has a "season", Covid is not showing that yet

But yeah, it's just a "flu"

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11B CIB said:
Yup, 39-55 MILLION cases of flu and 24-63 THOUSAND deaths

So between .04-.06% low end and .11-.16% mortality high end according to the CDC

The US has just over 400,000 cases of COVID19 with just over 12,800 deaths so far. That’s 3.2%. Significantly higher than the flu. But those are just the numbers talking, what do I know

Italy is at 12.6%: 17,127 deaths from 135,600 cases
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Don't throw math into this, it only makes folks mad
 
The Washington state model has dropped projected US deaths 25% today. From 80,000 to 60,000. I think the estimated declines in Texas and west coast areas are a factor.
 
Surpringly we all have exacting numbers of the flu but there are no known numbers of those infected by 19 yet we keep making life decisions with little to no information. My opinion is stay/practice safe until there is enough tested to quantity a change in social behavior.
 
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11B CIB said:
Yup, 39-55 MILLION cases of flu and 24-63 THOUSAND deaths

So between .04-.06% low end and .11-.16% mortality high end according to the CDC

The US has just over 400,000 cases of COVID19 with just over 12,800 deaths so far. That’s 3.2%. Significantly higher than the flu. But those are just the numbers talking, what do I know

Italy is at 12.6%: 17,127 deaths from 135,600 cases
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Maybe. Or maybe those 400,000 are only cases where people were tested. The more they test the more likely that 3.2 number comes down. How far is a guess for everybody. Including the CDC and government minions.

They are either lying or really incompetent in their representation of the numbers. Maybe both.
 
mj1angier said:
So 61,099 /7 months= 8,7284 per month.

If we go with Feb 1 as start of number of Covid-19 deaths, we are at about 5,681 per month. And we are just in the start.

But the flu is still out there too. Some of the folks that die from Covid might have died from the flu. But there are still folks that are getting the flu and passing too.
Right now influenza deaths are higher than last year https://flu.ncdhhs.gov/data.htm

We have vaccines for influenza, not for Covid
We have some herd immunity for influenza, none for Covid
We have treatments for influenza, not for Covid
We know influenza has a "season", Covid is not showing that yet

But yeah, it's just a "flu"

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Technically we don’t have vaccines for the flu correct? When I get a vaccination shot I get it and it’s done. I don’t have to go back and get a new shot every year. The flu shot isn’t really a vaccine no matter what the Guv puts on its web site.

Anybody get a polio shot lately? :p
 
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