Crossing state lines with SBR

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  1. HMP

    HMP Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    What are the guidelines for crossing state lines with an SBR?
     
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    ........i think you have to get a "hall pass" from the atf stating what dates you will be on that state. BW will probably chime in soon.
     
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    You can get one Preapproval for up to a year in advance.
    You can also send in several, for multiple addresses too
     
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    5320.20 for any destination state. The Safe Passage Provision of FOPA should cover the rest. You can file them by mail, email or fax. You can request up to a full year...just need the end date to be one calendar day (a year later) than the start date. So, 1/1-12/31, 5/14-5/13, 6/1-5/31, etc.
     
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    BigWaylon Head philatelist Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    Interstate travel requires permission. Intrastate does not. So, I picked a range in some states I’ve never been to and submit forms every fall for 10 states, for the next calendar year. That way I can travel anytime I want to without advance notification.
     
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    BigWaylon Head philatelist Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    10 states. 11 firearms per form. @Tim deleted his comment before I could quote it. :D

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    And if you mail them a single 10-page PDF...you get them back one per envelope :rolleyes:

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    Sorry...I need to back up a bit and give the answer I should’ve started with:

    Go look at your Form 1. You’ll find the requirement there. :p

    And when you find ^that^ info, you’ll figure out which of the six NFA categories require the permission slip...because not all of them do.
     
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    Then when you do travel, you have to take a copy of your stamp and the permission slip with you?
     
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    You don’t have to take either.

    The travel form is logged in the system, so approval has been granted. You’re only required to provide a copy of the stamp to any ATF officer.

    That being said, having the paperwork with you might help you avoid the ride...even if you’d eventually beat the rap.

    I have never showed a copy of my forms (stamps or permission slips) to anybody, other than for educational purposes. Some ranges insist on seeing them, and I choose not to go to those. Most LEO would have no idea what they’re looking at, or that permission is even required. Even more confusing when not all NFA categories require it...or the fact I could hand you two identical firearms and one would need the 5320.20 and one wouldn’t.
     
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    Thanks! That’s good info. I was under the impression you had to take it with you everywhere you went when you took the NFA item anywhere. When I got my SBR I made copies of my stamp Laminated one and rolled it up, and put it in the grip.
     
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    I have digital copies in iBooks on my phone. I have a binder with copies of just page 1 (since it has stamp, SN, and signature) printed back-to-back (so 2 forms per piece of paper). The binder stays in my range bag, which usually makes it to the range. But if it doesn’t, I don’t worry about it. And I often travel with an NFA item in my vehicle, and don’t bring the binder.

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    In a lot of states, NFA firearms are illegal at the state level unless properly registered. So the stamp is the proof of registration. That’s why showing them could potentially save you a trip downtown.

    I’d let the scenario determine if I showed the paper, the digital, both, or neither.
     
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    Damn! Lots of stamps you have!
     
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    Ok,
    NEVER...
    EVER.
    Evereverevereverever....
    Travel with your stamp.

    leave that locked in your safe.
    Take a double sided color copy from kinkos or whatever copy service is available.

    mid you lose your stamp you have to buy another one, for $200, and explain to the ATFASSHATS (possibly) why your silencer/SBR/SBS/machine gun etc does not have a stamp.
    I also keep a digital copy on my phone.
     
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    Well...there’s also travel papers and copies of Certifications of Trust. But yeah, there’s at least a double-digit number of stamps in there. :D
     
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    While I agree not to travel with the actual stamp...you don’t have to buy another one if you lose it.

    You just request a certified copy and they send it to you. It’ll have a notary style stamp on it instead of the $200 adhesive one.

    Single-sided B&W copy is plenty for me. :p
     
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    While we’re kinda discussing originals...

    I’ll also say don’t laminate them. Put them in a protective sleeve if you’d like, but don’t laminate.
     
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    What’s the usual turnaround from the ATF on these? Is it something you can get back within a month or is it like getting a stamp it takes many many months?
     
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    When things were “normal”, it was pretty quick. Here are the last two entries in the thread on ARF:

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    See how January was fast? Now the administrative portion of mailing it back is slow with everything. I think I read the mailroom is only working a couple days a month.

    My most recent from last fall were emailed on 8/1/19, approved 8/9, postmarked 8/13, and received on or before 8/16 (that’s the day I took a pic of all the envelopes):

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    (9 showed up that day, and the last one a day or two later)
     
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  22. BowWow

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    I keep a copy of stamps in my range bag....regardless of what nfa items are with me, stamp copies are in the range bag that i always carry with me when going to shoot.