CZ 75BD Grip/Trigger Slap Question

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  1. nchunt101

    nchunt101 Member Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Long story short the used CZ 97 BD I recently bought is chewing up my finger (evidentally a thing with CZ). The pistol has a set of thin aluminum grips which are a bit too narrow for me. Wanting some suggestions for thicker grips that will hopefully help with the trigger bite/slap and fit large hands. Really like the feel of the aluminum grips other than the thickness but have no problem going with LOKs or other G10 grips if they can save me the headache of replacing the trigger.
     
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    wvsig Well-Known Member

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    I don't think grips are going to help you. IIRC the sting or slap comes from interface between the firing pin block and the trigger linkage. Either the spring is binding somewhere, is too heavy or is gummed up. If the firing pin block is impeded or too heavy it transfers the energy from the firing pin block during recoil back through the trigger linkage and into the finger tip. I would call Cajun Gun Works and ask them for their advice.
     
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    Personally love LOK palm swell grips, closely mimics the palm swell of the rubber factory grips but in G10 with a grippy texture.
     
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    Rick119 Been there, Done that Benefactor Supporting Member

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    trigger bite is pretty common on the cz's overly curved triggers. The 85 combat trigger is curved less and has solved it on my cz's
     
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    This took care of it for me on my p01.
     
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    My 75B was very uncomfortable to shoot many times until I took a file and some stones to the trigger and rounded off some sharp edges. It does fine now.
     
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    Continue to hold the trigger to the rear throughout the complete recoil cycle. It cannot rebound to bite you then. This technique will also contribute toward improved accuracy. My Star 30 M, of similar design, was vicious in rapid fire.
     
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    NKD Senior Member Benefactor Kimberless Supporting Member

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    What if you need to do quick controlled pairs/double taps?
     
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    If it is a 75b like in the thread title the 85 combat trigger might help, but since in his first post the OP states this is for a 97 bd it won’t, that guns trigger is already the same flatter profile as the 85 combat.
     
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    Do you fire follow up shots before the bore returns to point of aim? Slow mo videos tend to show the muzzle needs to be lifted after the recoil impulse ends. Time the reset accordingly.
     
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    NKD Senior Member Benefactor Kimberless Supporting Member

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    Was just curious. Not saying I am doing it right.

    I try to have the trigger reset by the time I see the sight again, so try to do it during recoil. I find it tough when I pin it. However, longer more precise shots I do tend to pin it, then ride reset.
     
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    wvsig Well-Known Member

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    This is pretty old school and works well for slow fire but as @NKD was alluding to it is not as conducive to shooting really fast. I would argue that it is more consistent than a control slap or hard trigger prep but it will always be slower. Guys like Rob L. and Todd Garrett do not pin the trigger to the rear. Rob's finger comes completely off the trigger as he slaps the crap out of trigger and lets be honest he is one of the top 1% or the 1%. Other people use a controlled hard prep to gain speed. Guys like Langdon and Bruce Gray tech this method. I don't know of any high level trainers that teach you to pin the trigger to the rear anymore.

     
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    Winning vs Pain? A $3,000.00 pistol might not hurt too bad - after killing your wallet. Then there's the old adage of skinning the cat? Rob slapping and laughing, etc. Crappy triggers make far better marksmen than tons of money spent on wonders. No offense to Cajun, but you don't have to pay to play well. Ammo and awareness is the best gunsmith until split seconds count. Professionals still practice anyway. They improve, then learn what matters most to them. You really can't buy that, though people do try.
     
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    Sorry about that. Not sure how or why I ended up with the 97 typo. Also thanks for all the responses. Will be ordering the trigger from Cajun here in the near future. Not sure what if anything I did differently this weekend but I shot 5-6 mags and had no issues with trigger bite.
     
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    I do not understand why you are advocating for an outdated approach to shooting. It has nothing to do with money spent. It has everything to do with advocating a style of shooting that was at best useful when people were transiting from DA/SA revolvers to semi auto DA/SA guns. It is not a solution to the OPs problem.
     
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    Good to hear!
     
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    I was going to comment and say that I must be doing something wrong. I shoot CZ’s often and have never experienced this trigger bite thing.
     
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    Does the Shadow2 suffer from this? I haven't noticed trigger bite.
     
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    wvsig Well-Known Member

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    Any CZ variant can exhibit trigger bite. Some models will show it more than others dependent on which trigger design was used. The 85 variant helps to reduce the chance of trigger bite but it does not negate it entirely.
     
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    My cz75 bit my finger good with the original trigger. I had got it for multigun and whatnot so stuck a SA flat trigger in it.
     
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    NKD Senior Member Benefactor Kimberless Supporting Member

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    Maybe less on the non-firing pin guns. I have never got trigger bite from Shadows personally.
     
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    I've had a bunch of CZs over the years (ranging from several pre-B 75s, to several Compacts, a bunch of 75s (in 9 and .40), a 75B SA in 9mm, a CZ-40B, a CZ-97B,
    and a number of 85 Combats. I still have an 85 Combat and a P-07, and I have never experienced trigger slap/bite with any of those guns. That said, I heard about it quite a bit when I was a moderator for a few years on the CZ forum.

    wvsig's [post #2] recounting what he had heard earlier as to the likely source of the trigger bite problem, maybe related to the firing pin safety design, is the first explanation that I've seen that seems to make sense, and I've been asking for an explanation for years -- with no feedback.

    I had no experience with trigger bite until I picked up a used P10C -- and it had it bad. Painfully bad. And it seems as though might possibly still be firing pin safety-related. I replaced the P10c's trigger system with one from HB Industries, and that has removed about 95% of the bite/slap. It's still there, but no longer painful. (It's a nice shooting gun.)

    Smoothing the sharp edges of the trigger, something I did years ago with my 85 Combat, makes for a more pleasant trigger, but I suspect it will have only modest effect on trigger bite.

    You and I were lucky -- and we weren't doing anything different than anyone else. Some of the guns were different.
     
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    I believe you are correct. I forgot that the Shadows don't have a firing pin block. I believe is is an issue that can effect all CZs with firing pin blocks. The early P10s had a lot of reports about trigger slap. I am not sure if CZ ever addressed it but it seems like you don't hear about it very often now on newer guns.
     
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    And I never heard about trigger bite being a problem with the Tanfoglio version of the CZ design. The Tanfoglio version of the FPB is a subtly different design that apparently has less effect on trigger pull weight or function.
     
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    I actually did notice it quite a bit on my P-10F. I changed to a flat blade that fixed it for me.
     
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    How it was explained to me is one sight picture, two trigger presses. I have not met a person who could out pace a pistol's cycle of operation.
     
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    Personally, I consider a "double tap" one sight picture with two presses, and a "controlled pair" as two sight pictures and two presses.

    I have not met a person who could outpace the cycling of a slide, either. I don't believe it is humanly possible. It's like 6/100ths or something.
     
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    You want to argue competition instead of painful trigger bite. My humble offering has proven beneficial only in regard to lessening such painful trigger bite. Interestingly enough, OP is no longer experiencing this discomfortable condition, but is ordering an expensive trigger replacement anyway. If we are having an argument, looks like Cajun won.
     
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    Really a discussion rather than an argument. At least how I personally view it.

    The trigger bite I have experienced is going to be unchanged by holding or pinning the trigger.
    It makes me wonder if you have experienced what the op is talking about? As it is not a solution.
    Holding your finger there longer/harder/whatever is not going to fix the problem at all in any way, FYI.
     
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    In my defense I got a good enough deal on the pistol I will still come out ahead after intalling the new trigger.