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I can't seem to find a link to this but I saw and add in the NRA mag. An interesting solution to people having issues racking the slide. You simply don't at all on this handgun, you insert the 12 round mag and pop the barrel up like on a Beretta Bobcat, load round number 13, lock the barrel back down and pronto. Now granted if locking the barrel down was hard this could still be an issue but I doubt it is.
 
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I saw an ad as well. It’s not on their website yet. A lot of FFLs have them listed on their websites as out of stock. Prices seem to be around $460 give it take depending on the finish. Defiantly something I would like to run it on the range and see how she performs. Like you said, looks like a good solution to giving someone with weak hand strength something larger than the Beretta and Taurus .22LR and .32 Auto.
 
Average Joe said:
I saw an ad as well. It’s not on their website yet. A lot of FFLs have them listed on their websites as out of stock. Prices seem to be around $460 give it take depending on the finish. Defiantly something I would like to run it on the range and see how she performs. Like you said, looks like a good solution to giving someone with weak hand strength something larger than the Beretta and Taurus .22LR and .32 Auto.
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There are now several handguns that specifically cater to people with weak hands that seem to work reasonably well but I was intrigued by the idea of simply eliminating racking the slide altogether - that's a new idea and may work even better.
 
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Stogies said:
There are now several handguns that specifically cater to people with weak hands that seems to work reasonably well but I was intrigued by the idea of simply eliminating racking the slide altogether - that's a new idea and may work even better.
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True I keep forgetting about the S&W EZ models.
 
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Girsan MC 14T - EAA Corp.

.380 ACP Caliber Tip-Up Barrel Design All-Steel Barrel & Slide Ambidextrous Safety 4.5" Barrel
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Looks like locking down the barrel does not require much effort and they even have a storage in the mag base for the "top off" round (nice touch). There's a video showing it all.
 
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Curious how you clear a FTF on his, does it eject the cartridge when you pop up the barrel?
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it’s basically a large version of the beretta bobcat/tomcat series. have you fired those at all? If so it would make sense. in terms of malfunctions, it’s a direct blowback action just like every other one. There shouldn’t ever be a need to pop the barrel up to clear a stoppage. One can drop the mag and run the slide to clear a misfire or whatever stoppage has occurred. The barrel tilting to open is there simply to replace the need for running the slide to chamber first round. The barrel tilting to open can be completely ignored if so desired and the pistol can be loaded by inserting mag and running the slide per usual.
 
92G said:
it’s basically a large version of the beretta bobcat/tomcat series. have you fired those at all? If so it would make sense. in terms of malfunctions, it’s a direct blowback action just like every other one. There shouldn’t ever be a need to pop the barrel up to clear a stoppage. One can drop the mag and run the slide to clear a misfire or whatever stoppage has occurred. The barrel tilting to open is there simply to replace the need for running the slide to chamber first round. The barrel tilting to open can be completely ignored if so desired and the pistol can be loaded by inserting mag and running the slide per usual.
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Since this is meant for people that have trouble racking the slide how would you clear a FTF? Pop it open and try to grab the rim of the cartridge? Just curious. I have never shot a Bobcat.
 
It is a hammer fired pistol with centerfire cartridge so a misfire isn’t an issue I’d be particularly worried about assuming use of typical primers. But yes one could pop open the barrel and pull the round out of the chamber, reload a loose round (not sure who carries a loose round) into said chamber.

malfunction clearance with serious hand issues is going to be a dicey proposition regardless of pistol choice. id be more worried about practicing misfeed or ejection failure since it’s a blowback pistol.

in general these tilt to load barrel designs don’t really accomplish much but they’re nifty/cute and remind me of a beretta 21a that I regret selling.
 
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92G said:
it’s basically a large version of the beretta bobcat/tomcat series. have you fired those at all? If so it would make sense. in terms of malfunctions, it’s a direct blowback action just like every other one. There shouldn’t ever be a need to pop the barrel up to clear a stoppage. One can drop the mag and run the slide to clear a misfire or whatever stoppage has occurred. The barrel tilting to open is there simply to replace the need for running the slide to chamber first round. The barrel tilting to open can be completely ignored if so desired and the pistol can be loaded by inserting mag and running the slide per usual.
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I don't see an extractor, so how would retracting the slide remove a round from the chamber?
 
I’ve been wanting to see one in a lgs. Looks interesting for individuals that have problems manipulating the slide to load and unload. I currently use a Beretta Bobcat in a training class and it usually gets a lot of attention. I think with the larger heavier frame, the recoil would be very mild.
 
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I don't see an extractor, so how would retracting the slide remove a round from the chamber?
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thanks yes just looked at the manual for the 14T and theres no extractor present. I’m trying to recall if the beretta tomcat/bobcat had an extractor or not. Either way it’s a blowback action like the rest of them.

in terms of hand strength, most such issues seem best addressed with simple modifications and training around the problem instead of changing out to less proven equipment. for example w a Glock pistol some folks just need more serration surface on the slide to run the action along with using flat surfaces or a slide-racker device with their stronger extremity. Switching to a tilt to open barrel action in .380 may not be necessary.
 
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thanks yes just looked at the manual for the 14T and theres no extractor present. I’m trying to recall if the beretta tomcat/bobcat had an extractor or not. Either way it’s a blowback action like the rest of them.

in terms of hand strength, most such issues seem best addressed with simple modifications and training around the problem instead of changing out to less proven equipment. for example w a Glock pistol some folks just need more serration surface on the slide to run the action along with using flat surfaces or a slide-racker device with their stronger extremity. Switching to a tilt to open barrel action in .380 may not be necessary.
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Without reference to a person's ability to rack the slide, what you said made me wonder how to unload the gun. Unloading is covered on the Owner's Manual page 22, which specifically says it cannot be unloaded by retracting the slide. Talk about re-learning malfunction drills!

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gc70 said:
The Girsan MC14T weighs 22.4 ounces and has 2.7 ft/lb of recoil.
The old Beretta 86 weighs 23.2 ounces and has 2.57 ft/lb of recoil.
The Tisas Fatih 13 weighs 26.8 ounces and has 2.15 ft/lb of recoil.

In comparision, the Ruger LCP weighs 9.4 ounces and has 5.35 ft/lb of recoil.
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So now I know why I always hated shooting my LCP! LOL!
Seems like the MC should indeed be fairly pleasant to shoot?
 
Stogies said:
So now I know why I always hated shooting my LCP! LOL!
Seems like the MC should indeed be fairly pleasant to shoot?
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The MC14T should be an absolute pleasure to shoot! My wife's S&W .380 EZ weighs 18.5 ounces and has 3.05 ft/lb of recoil. I had it out today testing some new mag springs and it was nearly like shooting a .22LR.

BTW - a Glock 17 has 5.81 ft/lb of recoil compared to the LCP's 5.35 ft/lb.
 
I just discovered this a little bit ago and I'm contemplating getting one. Can't beat the price at less than $500 at my local gun shop!

Right now, the only thing I'm trying to settle on is the barrel length...they've got two: 3.8" and 4.5". I can get both at the local gun shop.

It would be a gift for my wife, so probably the 3.8" barrel. Overall length with the 4.5" barrel is 6.8" with a weight of 22.4 oz. That's just a smidge longer than her PPK/S (0.7") and a smidge lighter (1.3 oz). And the trigger pull is SIGNIFICANTLY lighter (7.7 DA/4.4 SA compared to the PPK/S at 12.25 DA/4.75 SA).

Interestingly, the EEA website only lists the 4.5" version, yet The Gun Shop at home lists a 3.8" version as well. That would make it almost 3/4" shorter and bring the weight down a smidge.

However, if it's for ME, I'd prefer the 4.5" barrel.

Hmmmm...decisions, decisions!


Anybody here have a chance to handle/shoot this since the thread was first posted 6 months ago? I don't usually buy a handgun without at least first handling it to see how it feels.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
I just discovered this a little bit ago and I'm contemplating getting one. Can't beat the price at less than $500 at my local gun shop!

Right now, the only thing I'm trying to settle on is the barrel length...they've got two: 3.8" and 4.5". I can get both at the local gun shop.

It would be a gift for my wife, so probably the 3.8" barrel. Overall length with the 4.5" barrel is 6.8" with a weight of 22.4 oz. That's just a smidge longer than her PPK/S (0.7") and a smidge lighter (1.3 oz). And the trigger pull is SIGNIFICANTLY lighter (7.7 DA/4.4 SA compared to the PPK/S at 12.25 DA/4.75 SA).

Interestingly, the EEA website only lists the 4.5" version, yet The Gun Shop at home lists a 3.8" version as well. That would make it almost 3/4" shorter and bring the weight down a smidge.

However, if it's for ME, I'd prefer the 4.5" barrel.

Hmmmm...decisions, decisions!


Anybody here have a chance to handle/shoot this since the thread was first posted 6 months ago? I don't usually buy a handgun without at least first handling it to see how it feels.
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Did you pull the trigger on these? Been looking for a honest range report.
 
Average Joe said:
Did you pull the trigger on these? Been looking for a honest range report.
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Not yet. I'm using two excuses not to right now:

1. I have yet to actually handle one to see how it feels.

2. I'm currently working on a bucket list item that got a significant setback a year and a half ago when I totaled my car. A .475 Wildey Magnum. I'm half way there in funds now.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Not yet. I'm using two excuses not to right now:

1. I have yet to actually handle one to see how it feels.

2. I'm currently working on a bucket list item that got a significant setback a year and a half ago when I totaled my car. A .475 Wildey Magnum. I'm half way there in funds now.
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Both are solid reasons in my book!
 
Why did I have to see this?

OK, excuses.... It will be too fat like most Berettas because short fingers.
 
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