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After opening that link I've probably heard all the facts before, but the last statement about EMP preparation efforts being stalled in Congressional committees really slapped me in the face. One think to stall on healthcare, another thing to stall preparations for survival in our biggest cities. Insane.
 
Here is how a NK EMP attack on the US would play out...

Glorious leader wakes up and decides that today is the day to show the world
Calls in the generals, orders the launch, generals are fully supportive
Generals depart, call their counterpart in China
China general says, of course, follow the plan
NK General say “you mean...”
China general says “Yes! Go put a bullet in his head, do it now, and put out the story that he’s got a bit of a headache and won’t be seen for a few days”

By the way, plays out the same for a nuclear attack against SK, Japan, the US.

If glorious leader is smart, and he may be, then he is building drama so he can negotiate the best deal. Not quite sure that we know what he wants yet.
 
It's still nothing more than bluff and bluster.

Kim Jung Un has a bunch of VERY expensive toys he can't actually use offensively. Their sole useful purpose for him is to enable him to perform the monkey dance.

Meanwhile, his entire nation continues to suffer economically and socially because of his single-minded authortarian approach towards maintaining a highly militarized society without any feedback into their quality of life. That's not sustainable in the long run.
 
Didn't you guys read the prologue to One Second After? Newt says there was a Congressional report on our vulnerability to EMP attack done in the early 2000's. It basically said we're royally humped and better start hardening our grid now. Total cost of improvements to critical infrastructure would be in the hundreds of billions. Even then, we will never be fully invulnerable to it because it's unfeasible to put hardened electronics into everything at the consumer level.

The final nail in the coffin of that report was being delivered on the same day as the 9/11 Commission's report. So it sits somewhere in the Library of Congress, collecting dust.

Here is a summary of the report: https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Baker-Statement-5-13-EMP.pdf

If you'd like to get politically/actively involved: http://empactamerica.org/
 
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If the cost to harden the grid was that your power bill would double today and forever in the future, would you support taking action?
 
no, I have 2 legs. I can walk where ever I want to go. like olden times
 
JimB said:
If the cost to harden the grid was that your power bill would double today and forever in the future, would you support taking action?
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Actually, yes I would. As long as the folks mentioned in the recent Tax Money At Work thread do their part too.
 
9outof10mms said:
Didn't you guys read the prologue to One Second After? Newt says there was a Congressional report on our vulnerability to EMP attack done in the early 2000's. It basically said we're royally humped and better start hardening our grid now. Total cost of improvements to critical infrastructure would be in the hundreds of billions. Even then, we will never be fully invulnerable to it because it's unfeasible to put hardened electronics into everything at the consumer level.

The final nail in the coffin of that report was being delivered on the same day as the 9/11 Commission's report. So it sits somewhere in the Library of Congress, collecting dust.

Here is a summary of the report: https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Baker-Statement-5-13-EMP.pdf

If you'd like to get politically/actively involved: http://empactamerica.org/
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Anyone who hasn’t read the prologue, or the entire book. Consider doing so
 
My first concern in regards to the EMP.. Is that my misses has a pacemaker, (17.5 yrs on battery) not for full time use, but only when her rate goes below 50, this only happens once and a while when she sleeps.
guess I could shove her in a faraday cage and give her a rubber mat to sleep on?
 
JimB said:
If the cost to harden the grid was that your power bill would double today and forever in the future, would you support taking action?
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No, because I've already paid the cost several times over, both in terms of utility rates and stolen taxes but instead of being used to harden the system its been squandered on "shareholder value" and assorted forms of graft. Before I would agree to any more funding, I would need to see the gallows swing in overtime and a hell of a lot of restitution being paid on the part of those who profited at everyone's expense.

Edit to add: great book - http://tedkoppellightsout.com. It doesn't require an EMP. A few key switches taken out and we go dark.
 
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I believe it foolish to underestimate folks who threaten us, whatever the threat may be. Pretending a problem doesn't exist, taking a "it'll never happen here" mindset and sticking one's head in the proverbial sand put's the ass in a prime position to get bit.

Additionally, threats from within our borders shouldn't be overlooked. If an EMP strike did occur, you can best believe there are folks who would capitalize on it to further erode liberty....the "it's for your own good/safety" crowd. Perhaps that is why some folks in .gov do not seem to take the issue seriously; an EMP may be their totalitarian wet dream.
 
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wsfiredude said:
I believe it foolish to underestimate folks who threaten us, whatever the threat may be. Pretending a problem doesn't exist, taking a "it'll never happen here" mindset and sticking one's head in the proverbial sand put's the ass in a prime position to get bit.

Additionally, threats from within our borders shouldn't be overlooked. If an EMP strike did occur, you can best believe there are folks who would capitalize on it to further erode liberty....the "it's for your own good/safety" crowd. Perhaps that is why some folks in .gov do not seem to take the issue seriously; an EMP may be their totalitarian wet dream.
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This, and people who portray to be your friends before an event such as this will be the first one to shoot you in the face to take what they want given the right situation. I’ve heard that example given in not so many words, ON THIS SITE from an individual
 
Burt Gummer said:
This, and people who portray to be your friends before an event such as this will be the first one to shoot you in the face to take what they want given the right situation. I’ve heard that example given in not so many words, ON THIS SITE from an individual
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I was visiting some relatives this weekend and they recounted a story. Someone they knew was talking to a Mormon about the potential for SHTF. The Mormon said, we store two years worth of food, what is your plan? The other guy responds, "taking your food".
 
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noway2 said:
I was visiting some relatives this weekend and they recounted a story. Someone they knew was talking to a Mormon about the potential for SHTF. The Mormon said, we store two years worth of food, what is your plan? The other guy responds, "taking your food".
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That’s balls right there
 
I’m gonna start a poll, hang on while Inwork on wording.
 
noway2 said:
I was visiting some relatives this weekend and they recounted a story. Someone they knew was talking to a Mormon about the potential for SHTF. The Mormon said, we store two years worth of food, what is your plan? The other guy responds, "taking your food".
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That's a good way to get seriously killed.
 
JimB said:
Here is how a NK EMP attack on the US would play out...

Glorious leader wakes up and decides that today is the day to show the world
Calls in the generals, orders the launch, generals are fully supportive
Generals depart, call their counterpart in China
China general says, of course, follow the plan
NK General say “you mean...”
China general says “Yes! Go put a bullet in his head, do it now, and put out the story that he’s got a bit of a headache and won’t be seen for a few days”

By the way, plays out the same for a nuclear attack against SK, Japan, the US.

If glorious leader is smart, and he may be, then he is building drama so he can negotiate the best deal. Not quite sure that we know what he wants yet.
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I would like to think that this is the most likely outcome too. Its no secret that China is NK's big brother, and works to keep NK out of serious trouble with the rest of the world. China also likes getting American money, and a disruption to their trade with the US, potentially for decades would send China's economy into a spin. China needs us.

On the other hand...and this may be coming out of Tin Foil Hat Land... China might be willing to let NK EMP bomb the US, knowing that in response, the US would nuke NK back to the stone age (hey, an upgrade!) Meanwhile China gets to take large portions of US territory as part of their humanitarian efforts to "aid" the suffering Americans...

Its no secret that they'd love to get their hands on our natural resources. They're already buying up resources all over Africa.
 
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noway2 said:
I was visiting some relatives this weekend and they recounted a story. Someone they knew was talking to a Mormon about the potential for SHTF. The Mormon said, we store two years worth of food, what is your plan? The other guy responds, "taking your food".
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taint the food preps
 
Burt Gummer said:
This, and people who portray to be your friends before an event such as this will be the first one to shoot you in the face to take what they want given the right situation. I’ve heard that example given in not so many words, ON THIS SITE from an individual
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I agree with you on that I know people just like what your talking about. I know if any of this ever happened a person should just as well be prepared to either do 1 of 2 things. 1. do everything you can to protect your food supplies,2. prepare to defend your stuff with lethal force if need be. It would be hard if not impossible for a lot of people to do that just for their food and such but I can tell you now if anyone tried to take our stuff they'd better be prepared and know we will not give it up it will have to be taken
 
RedneckFur said:
I would like to think that this is the most likely outcome too. Its no secret that China is NK's big brother, and works to keep NK out of serious trouble with the rest of the world. China also likes getting American money, and a disruption to their trade with the US, potentially for decades would send China's economy into a spin. China needs us.

On the other hand...and this may be coming out of Tin Foil Hat Land... China might be willing to let NK EMP bomb the US, knowing that in response, the US would nuke NK back to the stone age (hey, an upgrade!) Meanwhile China gets to take large portions of US territory as part of their humanitarian efforts to "aid" the suffering Americans...

Its no secret that they'd love to get their hands on our natural resources. They're already buying up resources all over Africa.
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In addition to the financial/economic issue that you correctly point out, China has a couple other problems in this regard. They have no seasoned military and they are facing significant population decline as a result of the one child policy. As a result of these, they can’t win in a chaotic situation, they must have order. A shooting war would cause them too much uncertainty, a nuclear war would be unbearable for them, no way that they mastermind either IMHO.
 
Burt Gummer said:
This, and people who portray to be your friends before an event such as this will be the first one to shoot you in the face to take what they want given the right situation. I’ve heard that example given in not so many words, ON THIS SITE from an individual
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I say things similarly in a tongue-and-cheek manner when discussing gold/silver storage for SHTF versus weapons and food-related items. I'd like to think I'm not a cold-hearted killer. You never know what starvation of one or one's family would make them do--present party included (as well as all those who can read this).
 
If the SHTF, you'll probably surprise yourself at what you will or won't do to protect your family. JS.

Shari and I, and our family have discussed this scenario at length, many times, have gone over the "what-if" list many times, and Shari is already prepared to see me do things she may not approve of. In the worst case, survival is king.


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A SHTF scenario is going to show just how artificially inflated and unsustainable the population levels are, especially in urban environments. I am watching what happens with PR because I think it's about as close to a disaster situation as we will see in the US this side of the big one. They're isolated and aide is going to be slow and hard to get to them. Recovery is going to take even longer.
 
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JimB said:
...China has a couple other problems in this regard. (1) They have no seasoned military and (2) they are facing significant population decline as a result of the one child policy. (3) As a result of these, they can’t win in a chaotic situation, they must have order. A shooting war would cause them too much uncertainty, a nuclear war would be unbearable for them, no way that they mastermind either IMHO.
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As to point one, you are correct. They do not have hundreds of thousands of MAM that have actual combat experience. They sure are training though, and mimicking our training as well as they can.

On point two, you are also correct, but there are still over a billion of them. Another thing the one-child policy has given them is about forty million more males than females. That built up excess of testosterone that can never hope for a mate will find an outlet. They might even calculate that war could tip the imbalance back towards normal.

Addressing point three, we might calculate that way, but they are a Marxist ideology driven state. Fundamental to Marxism is the belief that they are destined to rule the world and the moral imperative to bring that about. All it takes is for them to calculate that they stand to gain more than lose.

In the long run, Marxism is sort of like Islam, there can be no peaceful coexistence.

I really hope you are right. If it looks like conflict is inevitable, the first step will be to tell them that the trillion dollars of Treasury notes will not be honored even if they try to sell them to someone else. Worthless. Then just start refusing to allow ships carrying Chinese goods to dock. No trade. Period.

Those two things would collapse their economy.
 
I've spent a lot of time working in China, beginning in early 2000. My observation is that the number one priority of their government is controlling the people (thoughts, actions, everything). There is no army big enough to control the uprising that would occur if a billion people don't have money for food. I assume our consumption provides employment for an important percentage of their total population.

If all that is right, we stop buying and civil war breaks out in China soon after. Neither of our governments can permit things to reach that stage.

Just one guy's opinion.
 
I actually just finished One Second After. Already rented One Year After from the library (audiobook). Probably listen tonight in bed.

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noway2 said:
A SHTF scenario is going to show just how artificially inflated and unsustainable the population levels are, especially in urban environments. I am watching what happens with PR because I think it's about as close to a disaster situation as we will see in the US this side of the big one. They're isolated and aide is going to be slow and hard to get to them. Recovery is going to take even longer.
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VA_GENTLEMAN said:
Guys... just look at Puerto Rico right now.... we are ALL at the end of a very long and thin supply chain.

@noway2 nailed it. Watch what happens in a few weeks if efforts are not stepped up.
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Not to be a dick, but...

PR vs mainland US...PR vs. mainland US...

relief efforts will not be a fair comparison.
 
Just started that book and can't put it down. Being in NC myself and reading about attacks from North Korea possibly is an eye opener. They say that they won't be capable till early next year to launch a missile but they can still get in close to do it or maybe these tests are just a ploy to get our guard down. Regardless if something did happen there is truly no telling the outcome. All you can is hope you have enough of everything and that means people as well. That will be the hardest to find.

I type this while my one year boy is passed out on my chest.
 
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Truegrit4311 said:
Just started that book and can't put it down. Being in NC myself and reading about attacks from North Korea possibly is an eye opener. They say that they won't be capable till early next year to launch a missile but they can still get in close to do it or maybe these tests are just a ploy to get our guard down. Regardless if something did happen there is truly no telling the outcome. All you can is hope you have enough of everything and that means people as well. That will be the hardest to find.

I type this while my one year boy is passed out on my chest.
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The EMP threat is one of the reasons why I wish I didn't have to leave my family for such an extended period of time. The threat of no communication with them, or the possibility that I'd never see them again were something like this to happen really is tough to swallow. - That said, it's almost all hypothetical. It's hard to know what would happen. I can't let fear of a hypothetical get in the way of life.
 
IrishCannon said:
Not to be a dick, but...

PR vs mainland US...PR vs. mainland US...

relief efforts will not be a fair comparison.
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As the saying goes, all models are wrong but some are useful. If you look at PR in many ways it's a model of an event that strikes the entirety of the US mainland. Aide would be limited by availability of shipping ports and air drops with moving supplies inland made difficult via lack of road access and limited communication. It will also be an interesting model in terms of what happens in the populace and how aide packaged are made available or not given the dire fiscal situation of the country.
 
noway2 said:
As the saying goes, all models are wrong but some are useful. If you look at PR in many ways it's a model of an event that strikes the entirety of the US mainland. Aide would be limited by availability of shipping ports and air drops with moving supplies inland made difficult via lack of road access and limited communication. It will also be an interesting model in terms of what happens in the populace and how aide packaged are made available or not given the dire fiscal situation of the country.
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I'm curious if it's as bad as they're letting on. Peter Schiff said the damage to his end of the island was minimal.
 
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