Explosion at Manchester Arena during concert

They don't have to explain anything. They're keeping tabs on everyone, so everyone is "known to authorities". Next they'll be asking to start going after people they know about "to protect the children/stop the terrorists". Then they can just do whatever to whoever as long as they're on a "list" somewhere. Just cause becomes just because.

And many will welcome such a system because they can never imagine how they might get caught up in it, that they've "done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide," and that it will only hurt "the bad people."
 
Unfortunately, what 70 years of such disastrous foreign policy has left us is only 2 real options if we're going to end this: back out of the Third World shithole a and live with the results (random attacks from time to time) until they die off - or utter annihilation and genocide.

There is no "until they die off." Whatever the current excuse, justification or rallying cry may be, Islam has been consistently aimed at world domination for the 1,400 years of its existence. Given that violent subjugation of anyone and everyone else is a core part of Islam, "utter annihilation and genocide" may ultimately be the only option other than abject and total surrender.
 
Guys,

In all these posts the moral high ground is mesured by how tall you stack the bodies.

For both sides.

The only way any of this will end is when we the US of A stop having assets worth protecting over seas.

Once we quit playing with others, lock this country down, and we can watch it all burn outside of our own boarders.

It's the only way.

This will work for a while, but not long term. I'm much less of an interventionist than I probably used to be. But this only addresses one side of the issue. That's the foreign policy issue. While real enough in itself, it completely ignores what is likely the largest reason for this actions. The religious aspect of it. I think the biggest issue we have currently is folks don't want to admit this is a holy war. Not because we want it to be. Because THEY want it to be. Islam mixes religion and politics, no way around that. It's a holy war and should be treated as such because they say it is. When 2 ideas are in conflict one side can't just ignore the reasons the other side gives because they are inconvenient, unliked, or not believed. Until we accept what is going on, I don't think we can fight it effectively at home or abroad. Basically, they have deeply rooted reasons for hating us that have nothing to do with us and everything to do with them. We may exacerbate the problem, but we can't make it go away.



This incident shows us a big elephant in the room. The location had "security". The people were screened and items like water bottles were taken from them on top of the fact that we're already talking about a disarmed populace. These types of security measures are a joke and they don't work as the attack will just go somewhere else, somewhere there is a soft target crowd. As I believe it was a Belgian security consultant said about the incident - you can't stop them from getting off the train.

The explosion was in an unsecured area after the concert. All he had to do was walk up to the gate as they walked out. The bomb went of "somewhere else". And no, no amount of security in the venue stops this.


I did my part, I wore my Knights Templar code t shirt when we ran into Hickory. It was that or "Let the cowards come." While I'm not running half way around the world to chase these clowns, my ideas on what I would do if they come here have certainly hardened much over the last couple years. You can show no mercy to those that would show none to you.
 
There is no "until they die off." Whatever the current excuse, justification or rallying cry may be, Islam has been consistently aimed at world domination for the 1,400 years of its existence. Given that violent subjugation of anyone and everyone else is a core part of Islam, "utter annihilation and genocide" may ultimately be the only option other than abject and total surrender.

I think you may have misunderstood what I meant by "die off.". I don't mean all Muslims; I mean the those radicalized by the conditions actively incubated by our foreign policy, over time, will dwindle away.

Radicalization requires the constant drumbeat of a monster or Boogeyman, a means and a target upon which to focus irrational hatred and fervor.

This is true regardless of nationality or religious beliefs, as it's the same story with various players throughout much of human history.
 
Those with any concept of European history know its only a matter of time before another major pogrom in Europe.

The question is who is on the giving and who is on the receiving end? I have little faith in the the Euro's rising up and defending themselves at this point. But maybe the super small groups in those countries that are still sane can carry the day.
 
Radicalization requires the constant drumbeat of a monster or Boogeyman, a means and a target upon which to focus irrational hatred and fervor.

Muslims have consistently created drumbeats and found means and targets for over 1,400 years (even when the United States did not exist).
 
Last edited:
This will work for a while, but not long term. I'm much less of an interventionist than I probably used to be. But this only addresses one side of the issue. That's the foreign policy issue. While real enough in itself, it completely ignores what is likely the largest reason for this actions. The religious aspect of it. I think the biggest issue we have currently is folks don't want to admit this is a holy war. Not because we want it to be. Because THEY want it to be. Islam mixes religion and politics, no way around that. It's a holy war and should be treated as such because they say it is. When 2 ideas are in conflict one side can't just ignore the reasons the other side gives because they are inconvenient, unliked, or not believed. Until we accept what is going on, I don't think we can fight it effectively at home or abroad. Basically, they have deeply rooted reasons for hating us that have nothing to do with us and everything to do with them. We may exacerbate the problem, but we can't make it go away.





The explosion was in an unsecured area after the concert. All he had to do was walk up to the gate as they walked out. The bomb went of "somewhere else". And no, no amount of security in the venue stops this.


I did my part, I wore my Knights Templar code t shirt when we ran into Hickory. It was that or "Let the cowards come." While I'm not running half way around the world to chase these clowns, my ideas on what I would do if they come here have certainly hardened much over the last couple years. You can show no mercy to those that would show none to you.

That reminds me of something I read. In a violent mugging or encounter the innocent person doesn't get to decide when and if there will be violence. They only get to decide whether it is them or the other side that inflicts it.
 
Interesting in how it discusses the breakdown of the post WW2 settlement in that the current Russia and Chins, who hold UN veto power (a construct of that settlement) weren't part of the agreement and show ambivalence towards its precepts and site US involvement they view as illegitimate as justification for their own actions. Preludes to WW3?
 
I agree completely. Also, my post wasn't intended to sound like I am for increasing government intrusion in the name of safety at the expense of our own liberties, such as the Patriot Act, TSA, and DHS for example.

I was simply pointing out my surprise that a major catastrophic attack hasn't occurred since 9/11 mainly because of the bad policies of the last administration in this country. That was what I meant by "tools" and "circumstances".

They didn't want to get him thrown out. He was their buddy to a large extent. They may be evil, but they aren't stupid.
 
Not sure the last time we bombed a nightclub, highjacked a plane, or cut off some heads on Youtube. I also recall ROEs so utterly restrictive to be operationally useless. We see it from different perspectives, and I am OK declaring a modus vivendi and move on.

I just think you are more focused on the military personnel on the ground trying to do the right thing, and behaving in a civilized manner. Some of us are more focused on the scum bags in DC, primarily the St Dept, that are moving the chess pieces around. Including the intelligence services that have been up to no good for a long while.
 
I think you may have misunderstood what I meant by "die off.". I don't mean all Muslims; I mean the those radicalized by the conditions actively incubated by our foreign policy, over time, will dwindle away.

Radicalization requires the constant drumbeat of a monster or Boogeyman, a means and a target upon which to focus irrational hatred and fervor.

This is true regardless of nationality or religious beliefs, as it's the same story with various players throughout much of human history.

Sounds a little like the US was missing post cold-war, then, voila, along comes 9/11.

Food for thought.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
What does Libya or Syria have to do with defending these United States?

Serious question.

For that matter, what did Iraq have to do with defending these United States?
Might as well add Iran to that list, because US.gov has been saber rattling in that direction for a long time. Why let Sunni jihadists (ISIS, Al Queda, Al Nusra, Lashkar-e-Taiba, and the various other jihadist groups rooted in Wahhabism/Salafaism) have all the fun? Let's motivate Shia jihadists to come here and blow things up.

We, the west I mean, currently do not have the stomach or will to do what needs doing. Simple as that. I do believe that the pendulum is beginning to swing, but will it be in time... @The Green Heron, @Windini and a few others here (@htperry @trcubed @noway2 @Don @Hammer21b ) and I have spoken at length in person and all agree on this, there are SOME who understand it but those are the .01% and you (I) simply do not have enough friends with hard hearts.

If we are waiting for the governments of the west to stave it off, we will all die as infidel dogs.
Funny how we can see the same world events and arrive at such different conclusions. To me, it's obvious that the greatest threat to American citizens comes from our own government and from the collectivists among our citizenry.

To those who see Islam as the greatest threat, you may wish to reconsider, or you may run the risk of being eradicated (and not by Muslims) long before your global Muslim genocide fantasy reaches fruition.
 
Last edited:
There is no "until they die off." Whatever the current excuse, justification or rallying cry may be, Islam has been consistently aimed at world domination for the 1,400 years of its existence. Given that violent subjugation of anyone and everyone else is a core part of Islam, "utter annihilation and genocide" may ultimately be the only option other than abject and total surrender.


People need to know something about history. Islam's invaders have been barking at the door of Europe for over 1000 years. If not for Charles "the Hammer" Martel, Europe would have been over run in the 9th century and the entire world would likely been subjugated by Islam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours
 
Last edited:
Again, hate that so many innocents were killed just trying to enjoy music.
I dont care about what she sings, what she stands for etc - lots of kids were killed by some ISIS bastard

As a lover of live music this pisses me off even more than usual (much like the Paris attack too)


Also, thanks for the entertainment. Yall were quite busy today, and, because of that, my 'like' button is about worn out from this thread.
 
What does Libya or Syria have to do with defending these United States?

Serious question.

For that matter, what did Iraq have to do with defending these United States?
It doesn't, really. I didn't support the overseas operations there at all. I'm just talking about the "moslem problem" in general.
 
Summer events just getting started and everyone is going to have to ramp up security

I wonder if ISIS is long the stocks that benefit from the stay-at-home trend.
 
One of the big takeaways from this spirited discussion is: for the last several decades, our gummint hasn't been doing what's best for our country either at home or abroad.

I'm reminded of something I read a long time ago about the run-up to World Wars I & II -- that the preparations for each were based on the experience of the generals and politicians who'd experienced preceding hegemonies & wars. The resulting carnage was an object lesson in how things had changed -- and how the Leaders hadn't been able to adapt to that change.

It's apparent that we've been facing a new type of threat since the end of the Cold War, and it seems pretty apparent that our foreign policy hasn't adapted. We have, indeed, helped create the problems we face now. That's no excuse for blowing up civilians, targeting the innocent, or whatever you wish to label it.

The instinct to protect the self, the family, the community, and (for many) the nation/culture from attack is natural, inevitable, and valid. A Politics that prevents anyone from defense is wrong and doomed.
 
18581862_10211999435355243_367250058939295002_n.jpg
 
Has anyone started a thread on what happened in the Philippines? Just curious. I might do so if no one else has.
 
I prefer this one...


There are varying degrees of evil. We urge you lesser forms of filth, not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain... but if you do you, one day you will look behind you and you will see we three, and on that day, you will reap it. And we will send you to whatever God you wish.

'...and shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. We shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be...'

In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti..."


Bravo.

Let it be so...
 
To those who see Islam as the greatest threat, you may wish to reconsider, or you may run the risk of being eradicated (and not by Muslims) long before your global Muslim genocide fantasy reaches fruition.
I don't think I stated what I think is the greatest threat to the people of the FUSA. I certainly do not have any fantasy of genocide or fantasies in general. I do believe that the political system called Islam is wholly incompatible with the west because there is zero room in it for simply leaving people to live in peace.

Funny how we can see the same world events and arrive at such different conclusions. To me, it's obvious that the greatest threat to American citizens comes from our own government and from the collectivists among our citizenry.
I generally agree.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SPM
I do believe that the political system called Islam is wholly incompatible with the west because there is zero room in it for simply leaving people to live in peace.
Agreed. But I'd go a lot further than that. There are probably no third world cultures that are wholly compatible with the American constitutional republic. That's not to say there aren't individuals from those cultures who couldn't appreciate, live by and support the American republic. But large populations - nope. Proof is in the pudding - just look at third world governments.

And as an aside, there far more Mexican felons in America than Muslim felons, and far more people are murdered or raped by Mexicans than by Muslims. So while I think we should have a moratorium on Muslim immigration, I'd say the same about Mexican immigration, and all third world immigration for that matter (and I'd take a real hard look at EE immigration, apart from the real hotties).

If we really need immigrants, let's take a look at South Africa's Boers - they're gonna need a new home because staying in SA is a recipe for genocide (and we know they are a productive lot considering what they made out of SA before Mandela's glorious revolution and the subsequent slide into craphole status).
 
Last edited:
Agreed. But I'd go a lot further than that. There are probably no third world cultures that are wholly compatible with the American constitutional republic. That's not to say there aren't individuals from those cultures who couldn't appreciate, live by and support the American republic. But large populations - nope. Proof is in the pudding - just look at third world governments.

And as an aside, there far more Mexican felons in America than Muslim felons, and far more people are murdered or raped by Mexicans than by Muslims. So while I think we should have a moratorium on Muslim immigration, I'd say the same about Mexican immigration, and all third world immigration for that matter (and I'd take a real hard look at EE immigration, apart from the real hotties).

If we really need immigrants, let's take a look at South Africa's Boers - they're gonna need a new home because staying in SA is a recipe for genocide (and we know they are a productive lot considering what they made out of SA before Mandela's glorious revolution and the subsequent slide into craphole status).

Damn! I have so much LIKE for this common sense. But if you think the Marxists and snowflakes are apoplectic now, wait until we import a whole bunch of freedom loving Boers. If we weren't at full fledged live fire civil war at that point then it would be the start of it. So, I am in. Bring on the Boers.
 
But if you think the Marxists and snowflakes are apoplectic now, wait until we import a whole bunch of freedom loving Boers.
You're right, the entire left would have a collective meltdown if we let in a bunch of Boers. Let's bring in tons of people from more primitive cultures, who care not a whit about what the US Constitution stands for, but heaven forbid we bring in the Boers, who made SA pretty much a first world country.

Speaking of, isn't it funny how much the MSM publicized Hugo Chavez and Nelson Mandela's 'revolutions', and then went mostly radio silent as these places went to hell in a handbasket?

The irony of the plight of the Boers is once they are all driven out or killed, the number of black South African deaths will skyrocket. The only reason SA's population is what it is is because of what the Boers built. Once they are gone, the infrastructure to support that large population will collapse (it's been decaying since the transfer of power).
 
Last edited:
You're right, the entire left would have a collective meltdown if we let in a bunch of Boers. Let's bring in tons of people from more primitive cultures, who care not a whit about what the US Constitution stands for, but heaven forbid we bring in the Boers, who made SA pretty much a first world country.

Speaking of, isn't it funny how much the MSM publicized Hugo Chavez and Nelson Mandela's 'revolutions', and then went mostly radio silent as these places went to hell in a handbasket?

The irony of the plight of the Boers is once they are all driven out or killed, the number of black South African deaths will skyrocket. The only reason SA's population is what it is is because of what the Boers built. Once they are gone, the infrastructure to support that large population will collapse (it's been decaying since the transfer of power).

Maybe it is the Dutch heritage on my Mom's side, but after reading the book I just read about Churchill and the 2nd Boer War I really respect the traditional Boer back then. They weren't/aren't perfect humans, but they have admirable qualities. And they were tough SOB's.
 
Government does what it does.
It creates a problem, it shows the problem, it fixes the problem.
The losers are we the people.

A very knowledgeable intelligence officer put forth the above theory, and they shut him up. It is a massive conspiracy.

All that you see is part of the plan.
 
I think you may have misunderstood what I meant by "die off.". I don't mean all Muslims; I mean the those radicalized by the conditions actively incubated by our foreign policy, over time, will dwindle away.

Radicalization requires the constant drumbeat of a monster or Boogeyman, a means and a target upon which to focus irrational hatred and fervor.

This is true regardless of nationality or religious beliefs, as it's the same story with various players throughout much of human history.

Wishful thinking.

I am definitely a non-interventionist. Free trade (as free as the other country, no more no less), no alliances, no foreign bases, etc... Not because I don't want to make anyone else mad at us, but because it isn't any of our business or responsibility. Period. If you as an individual want to go help fight somewhere for what you believe, knock yourself out. But it is not the charter of our gov to do that on our behalf. It is purely to defend the US from imminent threats.

BUT, Islam is not a religion of peace except that we've radicalized a few outliers with our foreign policy. History proves that just simply isn't true. I am sure that we are exacerbating the condition and helping them to recruit and affecting their target selection, but regardless of whether they were specifically mad at the US, they would still be invading Europe, because that is by _their_ definition (scripture) what a good Muslim does. It isn't a mystery, and it isn't new. It very likely wouldn't be as obvious or as violent as it appears now, but that doesn't change the nature of their core belief system and worldview.
 
Stepping back from the political discussion for a moment, it's worth noting that the predominant attendee of the concert were young teenage and pre-teenage girls. I believe the youngest kill so far was 8. I don't know how much of the targeting was just opportunistic or specific, but if it was specific then they're going after the children. At the very least, children are not exempt. It makes me think of Day of Wrath. .
 
Wishful thinking.

I am definitely a non-interventionist. Free trade (as free as the other country, no more no less), no alliances, no foreign bases, etc... Not because I don't want to make anyone else mad at us, but because it isn't any of our business or responsibility. Period. If you as an individual want to go help fight somewhere for what you believe, knock yourself out. But it is not the charter of our gov to do that on our behalf. It is purely to defend the US from imminent threats.

BUT, Islam is not a religion of peace except that we've radicalized a few outliers with our foreign policy. History proves that just simply isn't true. I am sure that we are exacerbating the condition and helping them to recruit and affecting their target selection, but regardless of whether they were specifically mad at the US, they would still be invading Europe, because that is by _their_ definition (scripture) what a good Muslim does. It isn't a mystery, and it isn't new. It very likely wouldn't be as obvious or as violent as it appears now, but that doesn't change the nature of their core belief system and worldview.

I never said it would become a non-existent problem. I do think it would be significantly less, though.

The Bible also has a lot of passages on what it is to be a good Christian as well - and where as the vast majority of Christians profess full faith and belief in Scripture, the vast majority do not live their lives in such a way that it's governed by that Scripture 24/7/365.

Hypocrisy is human nature, and it's not something the Muslim world is somehow immune to any more than the Christian world.

I am saying that our foreign policy specifically gives the mullahs and the imams the perfect excuse to justify what they preach, at least in the eyes of their adherents.
 
How did we not "target" noncombatants during Shock and Awe of Baghdad?
As I recall during The invasion of Baghdad the ROE was not to fire unless being fired upon and not to intervene in the civilian on civilian retaliation that was going on even if it was right in front of them.
 
Government does what it does.
It creates a problem, it shows the problem, it fixes the problem.
The losers are we the people.

Exactly how religion has been propagated for thousands of years. Create a problem that does not exist, create a solution to said problem, that is unnecessary, and then sell it to the masses.

Those is power have been using this construct ever since to control the population, be it religion or politics. From what I see it has worked almost perfectly (for them) for the most part. It has also supported the most egregious atrocities known to man.
 
From a UK reader of WRSA


THE TAKING OF ALBION

Welcome to Postmodernity, a non-artistic nihilist philosophy reflecting most of the core principles of the ‘Postmodern’ movement.

And welcome also to its illegitimate spawn, the unholy alliance of Liberals, Islamofascists, Marxists and Progressives (LIMPs) whose objective is to surreptitiously destabilize the West by slowly eroding and curetting its core ethos, a process that destroys a country, a culture or a civilization within a very short (historic) period.

This is how it works: LIMPs attack the socio-economic matrix of a Nation State in a variety of subtle ways. They do not use frontal assaults but inflict a prolonged series of small, deep incisions that are artfully designed to wound below the recipient’s perceptual horizon.

Then, having first penetrated the protective outer fabric of a given society through a myriad of seemingly insignificant wormholes they proceed to engineer localized paradigm shifts in established wisdom by appealing to the reflexive angst with which wealthy Western chattering classes are infected and our younger generations indoctrinated. Through these holes a by then confused ‘Mea Culpa!’ culture is drip-fed a hallucinogenic broth of disinformation, misrepresentation, and intimidation, thus bringing about a state of collective cognitive dissonance where every outrageous oxymoron and category error is absorbed without being subjected to rational analysis or refutation.

By effecting this cultural sedition through innocuous pinpricks over a period of decades, Postmodernity induces a terminal osteoporosis of that conceptual skeleton to which the sinews of a strong, functional society must be anchored; with both the will and the means to resist sapped, that society finds itself unarmed, fractured and disorganized, naked in the face of its enemies. It is for this reason, either by commission or omission, that the Western and European academic and political classes have for a long time been defenestrating and then replacing the psyches, moral vertebrae and demographics of their Nation States.

Now, as the cost of containing the depredations of the surging biomass of dependent parasites and feral predators from the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa begins to exceed the physical and financial means of the native net contributors the latter will finally have be fully emasculated and the ambitious and acquisitive LIMP governing classes and their fellow travelers, in a last desperate move to ensure their own survival, will have no other recourse than to bleed the native population dry then violently cast them aside once that is accomplished.

It is then, during this final phase of the New World Order project, that the wealth of nations — fiscal, ethnic, moral, cultural and spiritual — hemorrhages away, and chaos precedes the descent into tyranny and/or brutal conflict.

Killing our children in Manchester yesterday was but another step on that steepening downward slope…and more will come with increasing frequency and nothing truly effective will be done about it because the powers-that-be now live in fear that they will be called upon to answer for their past and present actions and inactions.

It is also worth noting that whilst this NWO strategy is (internationally) unitary, its tactical mechanisms are legion, and although I here address the situation in the UK, parallels sustain throughout the Western world. Hence those of you reading this demonology from beyond these shores may well need to analyze your position and react according to your immediate circumstances.

You can substitute Deep State for NWO if you wish as I am of a mind that they are two different names for the same organism.

Seneca III

Middle England, 23rd May 2017.
 
Man, the culprit is a direct result of of American and British foreign policy.....

"Salman Abedi, the 22 year old who killed nearly two dozen concert-goers in Manchester, UK, was the product of the US and UK overthrow of Gaddafi in Libya and "regime change" policy in Syria. He was a radicalized Libyan whose family fled Gaddafi's secular Libya, and later he trained to be an armed "rebel" in Syria, fighting for the US and UK "regime change" policy toward the secular Assad government.

The suicide attacker was the direct product of US and UK interventions in the greater Middle East.

According to the London Telegraph, Abedi, a son of Libyan immigrants living in a radicalized Muslim neighborhood in Manchester had returned to Libya several times after the overthrow of Muamar Gaddafi, most recently just weeks ago. After the US/UK and allied "liberation" of Libya, all manner of previously outlawed and fiercely suppressed radical jihadist groups suddenly found they had free rein to operate in Libya. This is the Libya that Abedi returned to and where he likely prepared for his suicide attack on pop concert attendees. Before the US-led attack on Libya in 2011, there was no al-Qaeda, ISIS, or any other related terrorist organization operating (at least with impunity) on Libyan soil."


http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archive...was-product-of-wests-libyasyria-intervention/
 
Last edited:
Before the US-led attack on Libya in 2011, there was no al-Qaeda, ISIS, or any other related terrorist organization operating (at least with impunity) on Libyan soil."
The same could be said for Iraq and Syria.

I've said it before, nobody brings about Islamization like US.gov. This is true going back to the CIA-engineered coup of Iran's democratically elected government, which paved the way for the Iranian revolution. US.gov is working for itself, and the citizenry refuses to learn. And this insanity will continue as US.gov, even under Trump, insists that "Assad must go", and we will eventually go full circle and invade Iran.

If Russia or China were doing this to us, many of us would be ready to kill Russians or Chinese (and those who weren't ready to kill would certainly look the other way when others did). But somehow we refuse to consider how this meddling could enrage Muslims.
 
Last edited:
Your post.....

With the exception (more or less) of two instances, every time we have militarily engaged someone it has created a power vacuum. And it sucks (get it? vacuum....sucks? Ah, alright....).

Seriously, Southeast Asia, East Europe, Central America, the Middle East. Warring and warring alone, we can kick the crap out of anyone, but the 'peace' that ensues is an absolute mess.....
 
Back
Top Bottom