Fake Leupolds

The D-EVO is one you see faked pretty often, which is funny since Leupold doesn't even make it anymore.
 
I wish I knew what it was about the Chinese culture that allows them to rationalize doing things like this.

To my knowledge, there is no significant copying of Chinese branded goods occurring in the west, for export to China.

Their intellectual-property theft is all but certainly a condescending expression of their deep-seated animosity towards us.
Moreover, since all enterprise there is at least indirectly controlled by the State, these attacks (that is what they are) are a coordinated effort.

"No victims, only volunteers" is the counter to these observations of Chinese malfeasance.

If we would simply stop buying Chinese made products, or at the minimum, knockoffs of Western goods, they'd quickly have no customers.

Nixon, and then Clinton, did our nation no favors by helping to enrich the Chinese so that they have become an existential threat.
Now that we have done so, I wonder what the solution is.
 
mostly22lately said:
I wish I knew what it was about the Chinese culture that allows them to rationalize doing things like this.

To my knowledge, there is no significant copying of Chinese branded goods occurring in the west, for export to China.

Their intellectual-property theft is all but certainly a condescending expression of their deep-seated animosity towards us.
Moreover, since all enterprise there is at least indirectly controlled by the State, these attacks (that is what they are) are a coordinated effort.

"No victims, only volunteers" is the counter to these observations of Chinese malfeasance.

If we would simply stop buying Chinese made products, or at the minimum, knockoffs of Western goods, they'd quickly have no customers.

Nixon, and then Clinton, did our nation no favors by helping to enrich the Chinese so that they have become an existential threat.
Now that we have done so, I wonder what the solution is.
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They're communists. Noone owns anything, the government owns all.
 
I have a nice VXIII 4.5-14 with the proper box . I plan on recreating the scene from Saving Private Ryan and see if I can shoot through the lens
 
mostly22lately said:
Their intellectual-property theft is all but certainly a condescending expression of their deep-seated animosity towards us.
Moreover, since all enterprise there is at least indirectly controlled by the State, these attacks (that is what they are) are a coordinated effort
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My company does extensive business in China an while they in general have a low opinion of the USA (like much of the world) the underlying problem is greed, a different moral standard and a short term business planning. A co-worker from China summed it up perfectly. He said “give someone in China the option of $100 today or a million dollars in a year and they will take the $100 every time”. With this mentality you can see how counterfeiting is appealing. Why build up your own brand reputation when you can take a shortcut and get money now?
The PRC is a communist state in name only right now. It would be best described as crony capitalist, very similar to how Raytheon or Pfizer is in the US where the line between public official and corporate employe is grey. While the means of production are not directed by the state like in socialism the profits are shared with public officials.
These attacks are not coordinated by the state but are certainly not discourage and could be stopped but would require bribes which most western businesses refuse to do.
It is important to note fake goods are also a problem for the everyday person in china where fake food, medicine are a real danger so to say this is an attack on the West specifically is misleading.
 
Had one I got in a trade years ago. Nice scope, but I was sure it was a fake (just because how good the trade was). Went to their website and typed in the serial number. Real deal, so it really was a great trade. It is nice to be able to go to the website and verify if it is a real Leupold or not.
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
My company does extensive business in China an while they in general have a low opinion of the USA (like much of the world) the underlying problem is greed, a different moral standard and a short term business planning. A co-worker from China summed it up perfectly. He said “give someone in China the option of $100 today or a million dollars in a year and they will take the $100 every time”. With this mentality you can see how counterfeiting is appealing. Why build up your own brand reputation when you can take a shortcut and get money now?
The PRC is a communist state in name only right now. It would be best described as crony capitalist, very similar to how Raytheon or Pfizer is in the US where the line between public official and corporate employe is grey. While the means of production are not directed by the state like in socialism the profits are shared with public officials.
These attacks are not coordinated by the state but are certainly not discourage and could be stopped but would require bribes which most western businesses refuse to do.
It is important to note fake goods are also a problem for the everyday person in china where fake food, medicine are a real danger so to say this is an attack on the West specifically is misleading.
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That makes a lot of sense. I’ve also heard that they view counterfeiting almost as an efficiency. Why recreate the wheel if someone else already has? IP be damned, whoever sells it, reaps the rewards.
 
Algotguns said:
I have a nice VXIII 4.5-14 with the proper box . I plan on recreating the scene from Saving Private Ryan and see if I can shoot through the lens
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That actually happened to a German sniper at the battle of Stalingrad. The scene from the movie is based on a real incident but a Russian sniper made the shot.
 
All the more reason not to do business with the thieving bastards. "My company does extensive business in China an while they in general have a low opinion of the USA (like much of the world) the underlying problem is greed..." And some of that greed is US corporate greed.
 
jimmyjames8 said:
All the more reason not to do business with the thieving bastards.
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I have eliminated entire categories of Chinese goods from my purchase purview.

For example, when shopping for clothing or footwear, the very first thing I look at - before the size label - is where it was made.
If it says 'China' ... it goes back on the rack, I do NOT care about any other characteristics of the item.

Same with tools, of any type.

It's been difficult, costly, and time-consuming to locate alternatives in many cases, or to simply do without.
But I feel I must make a principled stand, even if it is symbolic and makes ME feel better.

Yet, if we collectively do not do so, folks like our friends at Leupold will keep having to post sad messages to clients like the one mentioned by the OP.
 
Remshooter said:
Had one I got in a trade years ago. Nice scope, but I was sure it was a fake (just because how good the trade was). Went to their website and typed in the serial number. Real deal, so it really was a great trade. It is nice to be able to go to the website and verify if it is a real Leupold or not.
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Does that mean you think there’s no way they’re making fakes with the same range of serial numbers as legit optics?

Or am I missing something?
 
mostly22lately said:
I wish I knew what it was about the Chinese culture that allows them to rationalize doing things like this.

To my knowledge, there is no significant copying of Chinese branded goods occurring in the west, for export to China.

Their intellectual-property theft is all but certainly a condescending expression of their deep-seated animosity towards us.
Moreover, since all enterprise there is at least indirectly controlled by the State, these attacks (that is what they are) are a coordinated effort.

"No victims, only volunteers" is the counter to these observations of Chinese malfeasance.

If we would simply stop buying Chinese made products, or at the minimum, knockoffs of Western goods, they'd quickly have no customers.

Nixon, and then Clinton, did our nation no favors by helping to enrich the Chinese so that they have become an existential threat.
Now that we have done so, I wonder what the solution is.
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Not to mention that the mindless Chinese minion in the White House sold us out to them and people still voted for touchy feely Joe. I personally do not buy Chinese knockoffs if I know them to be so. I just wish we could get someone in charge that would tell China "you keep your poorly made junk we will make our own products" but when China pumps 100s of millions into corrupt politicians like the Biden and Pelosi family we will never get political support.
 
There are human rights atrocities going on in China like the world cannot imagine. The fact is that they cannot feed their own people. Mass starvation is a rule in the outlying areas. The only real difference between China and North Korea is that China is much bigger. Imagine the liberals in this country who beat our ear drums to the point of bleeding out the ear canal about human rights, equal rights, recognizing 232 different imaginary genders, open border pay them just for sneaking across illegal programs yet all the while raking in millions in bribes from the worlds most racist and criminal regime that has ever existed on this planet. People of a certain race in our country are moaning endlessly about stuff that happened 150 years ago all the while it is happening to people in China of that same race today as we speak.
 
BigWaylon said:
Does that mean you think there’s no way they’re making fakes with the same range of serial numbers as legit optics?

Or am I missing something?
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Sure they could be, but they don't seem to put that much effort into it. They also give you other tips to look for to tell if it is genuine.
edit to add: and if it is not serialized, it is a fake for sure.
 
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They seem to have copied EcoTech most of all during they time they were really popular. At first they were identical copies. Then the Clinton Traitor years they allowed them to copy if they only changed simple appearance a little. This meant they changed the font on the outside of the scopes and continued selling them on Fleabay. It was not until FleaBay had to pay a lot of money in copyright infringement that they changed this action. They were not as good in quality as the real Ecotech but they were less than 20% of the cost. I remember the armchair warriors that used to shoot with us who would come out with an AR that had satellite radio and ground searching radar (exaggeration) clamped to the stock bragging about their new Ecotech and I would look at it from 2 feet and say FAKE.. Some of them had no idea they paid 180 bucks at the mexican flea market for a cheap fake. Then they would look thru my real Ecotech and just get the I have been taken look.
 
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mostly22lately said:
I have eliminated entire categories of Chinese goods from my purchase purview.

For example, when shopping for clothing or footwear, the very first thing I look at - before the size label - is where it was made.
If it says 'China' ... it goes back on the rack, I do NOT care about any other characteristics of the item.

Same with tools, of any type.

It's been difficult, costly, and time-consuming to locate alternatives in many cases, or to simply do without.
But I feel I must make a principled stand, even if it is symbolic and makes ME feel better.

Yet, if we collectively do not do so, folks like our friends at Leupold will keep having to post sad messages to clients like the one mentioned by the OP.
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I usually start here when I look for items https://americansworking.com/
 
@keepcalmandcarryon nailed it. It's all about greed, kind of like the Ferengi. I've long said if anything trumps Chinese politics, it's money.

But, the other half of the formula is market or the fact that people are choosing to buy the products. Simple supply and demand. It's noble to say, stand strong and refuse to buy their products, but the reality of our finances can make this decision difficult. Especially, when we often view many of our own companies as greedy and overcharging for their products. If you factor in that we often don't really need some of these products, but merely want them, you could say it's our own greed that plays in as well. I bias my own purchases to local, but not all of them are.
 
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I don't have an issue with knock-offs/counterfeits so long as there is truth in advertising and you know what you are getting. In today's cybercommerce it's so hard to know what's real and what's not and do one's due diligence.

I prefer to not buy Chinese but I don't lose sleep if I have to.
 
I have a fake Leupold I bought on here, the seller made it good though. The scope actually works pretty good and it took me a couple weeks to figure out it was a Chinese fake. One thing I noticed is one of the adjustment knobs works in reverse. If you follow the arrow for R you will go left. Even though it worked I couldn't stand the idea of a fake scope on my rifle so I took it off. A coworker wanted to buy it knowing it was a fake but I'm not putting it back into circulation.
 
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