FBI agent drops gun on dance floor, ND occurs

BlackGun said:
Reckless endangerment with injury.

Or Fing being a retard while showing off.
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What are Reckless Endangerment Charges?

Some states maintain Reckless Endangerment statutes that prescribe penalties for reckless conduct. Reckless endangerment charges cover a broad range of actions that involve the intentional disregard of the safety of another person.

In order to be found guilty of reckless endangerment, the state must prove that the defendant understood that their actions posed a great risk of harm, and disregarded that risk and continued to perform the action.

When proving reckless endangerment charges, it isn’t really necessary to prove that the defendant intended to cause the resulting harm. However, they must have intended to perform the act in question, and again they must have understood the risks associated with their conduct.
 
Need to write some satirical lyrics called "Agent Can't Dance" to the tune of:

 
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Tim said:
It's the NRA's fault.
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11B CIB said:
Because he will forever be known in whatever field office he goes to as “hey, that’s the guy who....”

Not a good way to spend your career. I’d be embarrassed as all get out. How do you bounce back from that?
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Transfer to HR like Strzok?
 
SPM said:
Jesus....at the end he just tucks it back in his crack and shrugs it off like "No biggie....it's cool! My bad, my bad."

What a tool.
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Not even interested it checking to see if anyone was hit. He is a double tool.
 
Several years ago, I somebody who looks like me was the cooler at a central TX gentlemen's club. The forces for good also included a floor manager who could handle himself and one new guy, just for checking IDs. This club was going to be the first in a trail of bachelor-party destruction for 13 out of town, East Texas officers of the law. The event turned out to be the closest the guy who looks like me ever came to a classic movie bar fight, with everybody a-kungfu-fightin'. Three of the thirteen elected to remain outside the fray, as it were, and said later that they'd have lost their Federal creds for getting mixed up in such a fracas. The other ten took some harsh negative reinforcement about the wisdom of trying to stick a beer bottle where a waitress would not want it.
 
@J R Green out of curiosity if this had happened in NC and we came before the judicial system, what charges would be written for us as citizens in your opinion?
 
Cpippen said:
@J R Green out of curiosity if this had happened in NC and we came before the judicial system, what charges would be written for us as citizens in your opinion?
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I honestly couldn't think of a charge that would fit... for anybody.

At the end of the day this was an accident, there was no criminal intent.

Civil remedies are still probably going to be severe and well deserved.
 
J R Green said:
I honestly couldn't think of a charge that would fit... for anybody.

At the end of the day this was an accident, there was no criminal intent.

Civil remedies are still probably going to be severe and well deserved.
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Serious question...

Does "accident" allow someone to avoid being charged with discharging a firearm in the city limits? For example, Meck Co:

SECTION 2. Except as provided in Section 7, it shall be unlawful for any person to discharge a firearm within 900 feet of any of the following:

(a) A dwelling house;

(b) A school;

(c) A church;

(d) Any other type of building,while occupied;

(e) A public or private park or recreation area;

(f) Any other type of public gathering place.

SECTION 7. Section 2 of this Ordinance shall not apply to any of the following:

(a) A person discharging a shotgun with any type of shot or load except "slugs," provided that the shooter is 500 feet or more from any of the types of places or structures listed in Section 2(a) - (f).

(b) A rifle, pistol, skeet or trap range, operated by a recognized gun club or by a law enforcement agency, which firing range is substantially in accordance with specifications promulgated by the National Rifle Association or by an equivalent nationally recognized firearms safety authority for the type and caliber of firearms being fired, except as provided in Section 6 above;

(c) a person target shooting on his own property (or on another's property if he has on his person written permission for the activity from the owner of the property) exhibiting reasonable regard for the safety and property of other persons (i) if such person is using a backstop substantially in accordance with specifications promulgated by the National Rifle Association or any equivalent nationally recognized firearms safety organization for the type and caliber of firearms being fired, and (ii) if such person has on his person written permission for such activity from all persons owning any of the types of places or structures listed in Section 2(a)- (f)which are located within 900 feet of the target shooting activity;

(d) a person hunting on his ownproperty (or on another's property if he has on his person written permission for the activity from the owner of the property) exhibiting reasonable regard for the safety andproperty of other persons if such person has on his person written permission for suchactivity from all persons owning any of the types of places or structures listed in Section 2(a)- (f)which are located within 900 feet of the hunting activity;

(e) law enforcement officers or members of the armed forces discharging firearms in the line of duty (provided that Section 1 of this Ordinance shall also not apply to such an activity);

(f) persons discharging firearms for the purpose of shooting or killing any dangerous animal or reptile;

(g) person discharging a firearm in self-defense (provided that Section 1 of this Ordinance shall also not apply to such an activity).



I don't think pulling the trigger while picking your pistol off the floor after a dance floor flip fits any of the exceptions in Section 7.
 
BigWaylon said:
Serious question...

Does "accident" allow someone to avoid being charged with discharging a firearm in the city limits? For example, Meck Co:

SECTION 2. Except as provided in Section 7, it shall be unlawful for any person to discharge a firearm within 900 feet of any of the following:

(a) A dwelling house;

(b) A school;

(c) A church;

(d) Any other type of building,while occupied;

(e) A public or private park or recreation area;

(f) Any other type of public gathering place.

SECTION 7. Section 2 of this Ordinance shall not apply to any of the following:

(a) A person discharging a shotgun with any type of shot or load except "slugs," provided that the shooter is 500 feet or more from any of the types of places or structures listed in Section 2(a) - (f).

(b) A rifle, pistol, skeet or trap range, operated by a recognized gun club or by a law enforcement agency, which firing range is substantially in accordance with specifications promulgated by the National Rifle Association or by an equivalent nationally recognized firearms safety authority for the type and caliber of firearms being fired, except as provided in Section 6 above;

(c) a person target shooting on his own property (or on another's property if he has on his person written permission for the activity from the owner of the property) exhibiting reasonable regard for the safety and property of other persons (i) if such person is using a backstop substantially in accordance with specifications promulgated by the National Rifle Association or any equivalent nationally recognized firearms safety organization for the type and caliber of firearms being fired, and (ii) if such person has on his person written permission for such activity from all persons owning any of the types of places or structures listed in Section 2(a)- (f)which are located within 900 feet of the target shooting activity;

(d) a person hunting on his ownproperty (or on another's property if he has on his person written permission for the activity from the owner of the property) exhibiting reasonable regard for the safety andproperty of other persons if such person has on his person written permission for suchactivity from all persons owning any of the types of places or structures listed in Section 2(a)- (f)which are located within 900 feet of the hunting activity;

(e) law enforcement officers or members of the armed forces discharging firearms in the line of duty (provided that Section 1 of this Ordinance shall also not apply to such an activity);

(f) persons discharging firearms for the purpose of shooting or killing any dangerous animal or reptile;

(g) person discharging a firearm in self-defense (provided that Section 1 of this Ordinance shall also not apply to such an activity).



I don't think pulling the trigger while picking your pistol off the floor after a dance floor flip fits any of the exceptions in Section 7.
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If it's an accident there is no intent. No criminal charges are appropriate because you have to prove the act was intentional.

Here is an example warrant for NC.
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Notice that all of them say the words in the text Unlawfully and willfully. That is a requirement for every charge.
 
I know it is conjecture on my part, but I'd love to know how alcohol would factor in to any charges. I'm willing to bet he had been drinking.
 
Climberman said:
I know it is conjecture on my part, but I'd love to know how alcohol would factor in to any charges. I'm willing to bet he had been drinking.
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I'm not positive but I think the law in Co about drinking and carrying is like drinking and driving. There is a BAC that you can't be over.
I'm guessing the back flip was alcohol fueled though!
 
SPST said:
I'm not positive but I think the law in Co about drinking and carrying is like drinking and driving. There is a BAC that you can't be over.
I'm guessing the back flip was alcohol fueled though!
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Thought exercise: How's that factor for intent then? I doubt any drunk driver intended to hit someone.
 
And thus, (remember, I am assuming alcohol was involved) the agent intended to drink and carry his gun in violation of the law.

Possession of a firearm while under the influence

Section 18-12-106 of the Colorado Revised Statutes makes it a class 2 misdemeanor to possess a firearm while a person is “under the influence of intoxicating alcohol” or a controlled substance. There is no definition for “under the influence” and our experience has been that police officers provide purely subjective opinions in this area. We have seen officers attempt to use DUI tests to confirm intoxication on clients; however, the vast majority simply state that the subject was intoxicated or appeared to be under the influence. A “controlled substance” is defined here the same way as it is defined for the purpose of the Colorado Concealed Carry Permit application, discussed in Chapter Eight of this book. Beware, possession of a Colorado Concealed Carry Permit or a temporary emergency permit is no defense to this law.



But ultimately for this discussion, it doesn't really matter because we don't have proof he had been drinking.
 
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Two local stations this morning reported that the gun fell out and shot someone! Not one mention that he grabbed it and THEN it went off! Those evil magic making and killing guns are up to their old tricks again!!!

It’s been mentioned but the douche then reholsters, raises his hands like “whoops, it’s all good” and walks to the side, not even checking to see if anyone was hit!
 
Saw this at TAH:


That’s some A+ dumbassery right there. The bullet supposedly ended up in someone’s leg.
 
willpgn said:
Two local stations this morning reported that the gun fell out and shot someone! Not one mention that he grabbed it and THEN it went off! Those evil magic making and killing guns are up to their old tricks again!!!

It’s been mentioned but the douche then reholsters, raises his hands like “whoops, it’s all good” and walks to the side, not even checking to see if anyone was hit!
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Poor trigger discipline, booze and striker fired guns are a dangerous combination. Who would have guessed?
 
He was charged with Assault. Further charges could be filed after they get the tox reports back, such as carrying while under the influence, etc.
 
rotorhead said:
He was charged with Assault. Further charges could be filed after they get the tox reports back, such as carrying while under the influence, etc.
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A charge that they can't win. All for the sake of appeasement.

This is the problem with true Democracy.

Don't read me wrong here he deserves something to happen to him but making up charges that the elements aren't satisfied is wrong.

If they can just charge anything they want, what keeps us safe?
 
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Follow-up article: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/1...rns-himself-in-could-face-assault-charge.html
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"We are deeply saddened by the events that occurred and look forward to speaking with representatives of the FBI, so we can come to understand his presence and his need to be armed in our establishment," it said.“

They’re speaking to th wrong entity. They should be on the horn with the gun buster sticker printers because they obviously shipped them defective door stickers. Darn them.
 
The sticker-sign this establishment should have on its door is: Feds Out!

Q: "What keeps us safe?"

A: Personal firearms and the will to use them. Something that should never be outsourced to morons like Chase Bishop and his gang.
 
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So, looks like he dodged serious charges for that "dancing".
 
He is likely still employed by the FBI
 
"I have done months of physical therapy," Reddington said. "I have sought counseling. However, being in public, especially seeing law enforcement with guns, makes me very uncomfortable."

While the backflipping agent is an idiot, the real unfortunate thing is the fact he apparently shot his accidental target’s nuts off.
 
Cpippen said:
He is likely still employed by the FBI
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They placed him on probation which means he will not be allowed to carry or own a gun during that time period. So his job is probably just an informality at this point waiting on the proper paperwork.
 
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