Federal Suppressor Ban Submitted in House AND Senate

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Federal Suppressor Ban Submitted in House AND Senate



Gee….. never saw this coming. :rolleyes:

Terry
 
Took em long enough.
I'm surprised DiFi didn't have one ready. I'm not surprised that the constitution haters from NJ came up with this.

Unfortunately, I don't see keeping anyone from getting a suppressor as being an impediment to their natural right to keep and bear arms. The unconstitutional part will be the confiscation of those that already exist. They are registered after all and they know where they reside. More or less.

Are there any stamp collectors out there that are willing to jeopardize the rest of their stuff by not complying?
 
Easily tracked. Easily taken. If this happens I see this as the jump start to wide sweeping limits on firearms. I’m actually with @BatteryOaksBilly that it’s less than ten years for huge changes in what guns and magazines you will be allowed to own. Ten round limit magazines will be next. Isn’t this just like laws enacted for a few ignorant incidences by careless people to limit liability of insurance companies.
 
backwoodsshooter said:
It’s all 4D chess right?
Wait is it 3d? 7D?
Wrong thread?
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I was thinking more like WD40, as in cheap lubricant being used by those that want to screw gun owners in the butt.

TripleO7 said:
Are there any stamp collectors out there that are willing to jeopardize the rest of their stuff by not complying?
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I don’t have any NFA items. The same thing applies to pistols, AR15s, etc. The whole premise is that they’re betting on the idea that they’ll have a willing force (police) that will put their lives on the line for an agenda that they will know is a complete violation. Furthermore, they’re betting on the fact that the population values being “law abiding” above all else, including basic right and wrong, and natural rights and will obey at the sight of a stupid badge. Additionally, they’re betting on the idea that people will comply because the price is too high for lack of it. Lastly, they believe that the People are committed to remaining non violent under all circumstances and will restrain the extent of their options to voting and will accept whatever is dictated because, you know, “its called democracy and we voted.”

They’d be wrong, on all accounts.

I’ve already made up my mind as to what I’d do and handing them over isn’t on that list.
 
Grim said:
What really gets me is that for all the restrictions the EU has, suppressors are an easy item to purchase, once you have ownership of a firearm. Why it is restricted so much here is beyond me.
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Me too. I think in several/many Euro jurisdictions they are actually required. Let's be like the Europeans! Wait....
 
noway2 said:
I was thinking more like WD40, as in cheap lubricant being used by those that want to screw gun owners in the butt.


I don’t have any NFA items. The same thing applies to pistols, AR15s, etc. The whole premise is that they’re betting on the idea that they’ll have a willing force (police) that will put their lives on the line for an agenda that they will know is a complete violation. Furthermore, they’re betting on the fact that the population values being “law abiding” above all else, including basic right and wrong, and natural rights and will obey at the sight of a stupid badge. Additionally, they’re betting on the idea that people will comply because the price is too high for lack of it. Lastly, they believe that the People are committed to remaining non violent under all circumstances and will restrain the extent of their options to voting and will accept whatever is dictated because, you know, “its called democracy and we voted.”

They’d be wrong, on all accounts.

I’ve already made up my mind as to what I’d do and handing them over isn’t on that list.
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One of the greatest fictions every passed off in the history of scams is the idea that "democracy" means it is "our choice" when our liberties are taken away in the democratic process.
 
bigfelipe said:
So who's going to turn theirs in when the mandatory buyback starts?

Is this the hill..?

Honest questions...
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You know what I’m going to do? File two more EForms today or tomorrow to make two more silencers.
 
Unfortunately they don’t have the same flexibility as AR-based SBRs. You can sell those in non-NFA configs (complete lowers, stripped lowered, registered lowers with 16” barrels, short uppers on pistol lowers) without any NFA paperwork.

With a silencer, there aren’t really any alternative uses.
 
How cute.... they're calling it The Help Empower Americans to Respond (HEAR) Act....
 
I believe the vast amount of "fear" over the inanimate objects known as suppressors come from what is inaccurately presented by Hollywood. The problem with most people is the fact that they'll believe anything, especially movies, as fact, despite the information being produced as clearly fictional.
 
Anybody want to place bets on what will be next after suppressors?

I’m going with magazines and/or AWB, which is to say certain semi-automatic rifles will be treated as NFA items and will require registration in order to “legally” maintain possession.
 
wsfiredude said:
Anybody want to place bets on what will be next after suppressors?

I’m going with magazines and/or AWB, which is to say certain semi-automatic rifles will be treated as NFA items and will require registration in order to “legally” maintain possession.
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80% lowers and the "unserialized full-semi automatic assault weapons" that can be built from them.

It's more low-hanging fruit.

EDIT to Add:. And there will be some folks here who say it's not an infringement because 80 percent lowers are gimmicks meant to circumvent the law.
 
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Grim said:
What really gets me is that for all the restrictions the EU has, suppressors are an easy item to purchase, once you have ownership of a firearm. Why it is restricted so much here is beyond me.
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Well said, @Grim
I got into the suppressor game back in 2004-ish.
I have always been fascinated by them from an engineering standpoint.
I wrote my senior thesis in college on
“The Emerging Use of Suppressor Technology in Law Enforcement and Military Operations.”

Even back then, people fear what they do not understand. Very few, if any, will do actual research and learn the truth. They have seen a few episodes of 24, so they feel they are experts.
Remember, these are the same people who have dubbed HoggBoy as a “Firearms Expert” seriously, that’s what cnn is calling him now.
 
SPM said:
EDIT to Add:. And there will be some folks here who say it's not an infringement because 80 percent lowers are gimmicks meant to circumvent the law.
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Pretty much.

There is one and only one law with regard to personal ownership of firearms that is valid...

The rest...ALL of them...are an affront to liberty of free citizens.
 
SPM said:
And there will be some folks here who say it's not an infringement because 80 percent lowers are gimmicks meant to circumvent the law.
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Some people have simply bought in too deeply of the illusion and superstition that is the belief in authority and law, to where they'll do anything commanded of them as long as it is steeped in sufficient religious ceremony of elections.
 
1) 80% lowers / AK flats
2) Parts kits
3) Enhanced triggers
4) certain optics deemed "military" style
5) Hi-cap mags
6) certain types of ammo
7) etc
8) etc
9) etc

It's a slippery slope. Obama couldn't do it alone. But now enough asshats (BOTH sides) have been elected to positions of power based on voters voting with their feelings. And yet, most anybody that complained about the bumpstock ban was treated like a chicken little.
 
I can tell you what won't be next - pre-'86 transferable machine guns. There are WAY too many rich, connected FUDDs, both Rs and Ds, who own those as part of their investment strategy for them to be touched. Those guys will watch the ship go down on everything else gun related as long as their precious pre-'86 machine guns keep rising in value.
 
cubrock said:
I can tell you what won't be next - pre-'86 transferable machine guns. There are WAY too many rich, connected FUDDs, both Rs and Ds, who own those as part of their investment strategy for them to be touched. Those guys will watch the ship go down on everything else gun related as long as their precious pre-'86 machine guns keep rising in value.
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I may have to disagree here. Ain't many people in the PJ's getting kilt with pre-ban toys. Not enough screaming "think of the children" there.
 
grungewehr39 said:
I may have to disagree here. Ain't many people in the PJ's getting kilt with pre-ban toys. Not enough screaming "think of the children" there.
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I think you misread my post. I said they WON'T be next. Wouldn't surprise me to see pre-'86 machine guns being the only thing legal to own sometime down the road.

The point of my post is how those pre-'86 owners will back all kinds of bans as long as their toys aren't touched and continue to appreciate in value. I've seen it first-hand.
 
cubrock said:
I think you misread my post. I said they WON'T be next. Wouldn't surprise me to see pre-'86 machine guns being the only thing legal to own sometime down the road.

The point of my post is how those pre-'86 owners will back all kinds of bans as long as their toys aren't touched and continue to appreciate in value. I've seen it first-hand.
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Yup, damn script is too small on the laptop at times. You make a valid point.
 
It’ll be interesting from a legal perspective. As we previously discussed, bump stocks have never been legally defined, so claiming that they are protected by 2A is an uphill battle. Suppressors have clearly been defined as weapons and specifically firearms, so congress will have a tough time arguing that they are not protected by 2A, and if they do make such an argument do they risk having the courts overturn the entire NFA?
 
I’ll volunteer to meet any Congress critter at a range of their choice in NC/SC/KY/TN/GA/VA/WV/FL/AL/MS/LA and prove how not silent a Silencer is.

(Those are the states I have approved travel forms for my NFA hosts)
 
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