Flying with "things" and restricted magazines

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Jen and I are flying to Colorado in May to take a two day USPSA class. I'm concerned about illegal magazines. Both of our guns (Staccato and Sig Legion) take 17 round magazines. Everyone I've talked to or watched, has said that the airline people aren't checking mag sizes and gear, only that they are unloaded and verifying ammo should be in "original" packaging. Colorado has 15 round magazine capacities. Do we need to source smaller mags for this class or am I over thinking it? We have a straight flight from Raleigh to Denver, so the items shouldn't end up in a layover situation. We plan to keep everything in the trunk, out of reach at all times, drive the speed limit, and follow all the laws.

What say ye?
 
and follow all the laws
Colorado has 15 round magazine capacities.
So maybe not “all”

I don’t see how you’d get caught, odds are that you won’t.

Maybe see if there are oversized followers available that limit capacity, although I don’t known if that satisfies the law.
 
The political climate being what it is, and the liberal (commie that hates and ignores the Constitution) legal system being what it is, I would not feel comfortable going to a match in a state that does not allow my gear. Even though high-capacity magazine bans have been ruled to be unconstitutional recently by a federal judge, the Constitution and court rulings mean little to those who arrogantly and aggressively do not obey them.
 
Colorado's law (CRS 18-12-302) makes no exception for you. Your chance of being nabbed is very small, but non-zero.

What is your personal tolerance for this risk?

I hate to say it, but I wouldn't do it. I'd get new mags or I wouldn't go - and the bastards would have won. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.
 
Colorado's law (CRS 18-12-302) makes no exception for you. Your chance of being nabbed is very small, but non-zero.

What is your personal tolerance for this risk?

I hate to say it, but I wouldn't do it. I'd get new mags or I wouldn't go - and the bastards would have won. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.
This is it! Do you have some funds set a side for an attorney if needed? Do you have some type of carry coverage? Will they help in this situation?
 
Never mind flying to a State Of Tyranny...

... I'm not even legally allowed to transport what you have ... elsewhere in my own zip code here in NC

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Municipal Code
Town of Chapel Hill
Sec. 11-135. - Prohibition on possession of weapons of mass destruction.

(a) Except as allowed by the exemption contained in section 11-137 of this article, no person shall possess, off his or her own premises, a weapon of mass death and destruction.

(b) For purposes of this article the term "weapon of mass death and destruction" shall mean:
(1) Any semi-automatic action, center fire or carbine that accepts a detachable magazine with a capacity of twenty (20) rounds or more;
(2) Any semi-automatic shotgun with a magazine capacity of more than six (6) rounds;
(3) Any semi-automatic handgun that is:
a. A modification of a rifle described in section (b)(1) above, or a modification of an automatic firearm; or,
b. Originally designed to accept a detachable magazine with a capacity of more than twenty (20) rounds; or,
c. Possessed while a detachable magazine with a capacity of more than twenty (20) rounds, usable with said handgun, is attached or readily or directly accessible;

(4) Any part, or combination of parts, designed or intended to convert a firearm into a weapon of mass death and destruction as defined in this section or any combination of parts from which a weapon of mass death and destruction, as defined in this section may be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

(c) For purposes of this article the term "weapon of mass death and destruction" shall not include:
(1) Any firearm within the definition of "weapon of mass death and destruction" contained in N.C. General Statute 14-288.8.
(2) Any firearm that uses a .22 caliber rimfire ammunition with a detachable magazine with a capacity of thirty (30) rounds or less.
(3) Any semi-automatic weapon which has been modified to either render it permanently inoperable or to permanently make it a device no longer defined as a weapon of mass death and destruction.

(d) This section shall not apply to persons authorized by state or federal law to carry firearms in the performance of their duties or persons exempted, by N.C. General Statute Section 14-288.8(b) from the provisions of N.C. General Statute Sec. 14-288.8.
(Ord. No. 93-11-22/O-1, § 1)
 
(b) For purposes of this article the term "weapon of mass death and destruction" shall mean:
(1) Any semi-automatic action, center fire or carbine that accepts a detachable magazine with a capacity of twenty (20) rounds or more;
(2)
b. Originally designed to accept a detachable magazine with a capacity of more than twenty (20) rounds; or,

Weren’t most Glocks “originally designed to accept a detachable magazine with a capacity of more than twenty (20) rounds”? This, evidenced by Glock marketing such magazines. 🤔
 
If I remember right there was a huge controversy about this when a massive USPSA match was held in Colorado a couple of years ago. Facebook was afire with all the discussions.

I think you could fly under the radar in a lot of places, but I personally would not try it in Colorado.

 
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Never mind flying to a State Of Tyranny...

... I'm not even legally allowed to transport what you have ... elsewhere in my own zip code here in NC
Doesn't NC have State level preclusion that overrides and negates local statutes that are more stringent than the state level?
 
I wouldn't try it. I kept my neutered magazines when I moved so I could put them into use should my travels ever pass me through a similar jurisdiction.
 
yes; so what?

We have the government the Founders warned us about.
Yes, I understand what you are saying and agree. I also think you know where I stand in terms of playing lawfare with tyrants, that the only purpose to win the moral war for when the time comes that it's necessary to stop them.

In terms of Chapel Hill, I assume these ordinances were put into place before state wide preemption nullified them. The question is, does CH still attempt to enforce them? If so, in all likelihood, though it would still be an expensive throw of the dice, you would win in court. Other options include getting GRNC to file a lawsuit to get these statutes removed, much like they did with the parks signage a few years ago.
 
These posts have swayed me to get small baby mags. This is a 2 day class as part of a 20 year anniversary trip, and she’s super excited. Be on the lookout for a future post concerning borrowing neutered mags, or maybe. I’ll need 10 round full size 320 mags, and full size M&P 9mm full size.

Thank you for your words of reason!!!

Ray
 
These posts have swayed me to get small baby mags. This is a 2 day class as part of a 20 year anniversary trip, and she’s super excited. Be on the lookout for a future post concerning borrowing neutered mags, or maybe. I’ll need 10 round full size 320 mags, and full size M&P 9mm full size.

Thank you for your words of reason!!!

Ray
ACT makes a 15rd full size P320 magazine for states that have a 15rd limit. I have several of their 17rd mags and they work as well as OEM.

 
ACT makes a 15rd full size P320 magazine for states that have a 15rd limit. I have several of their 17rd mags and they work as well as OEM.

And apparently S&W makes a full size 15rd M&P 9 magazine.


(You can probably find them cheaper elsewhere, but this site says the mags are 'Colorado-friendly', fit the full size frame, and gives the UPC.)
 
I don’t know if it’s still in the Chapel Hill Ordinances or not, but they at one time also banned small handguns like the Raven .25 acp and etc. I believe it was challenged, but I’m not where I research it right now.
 
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