For all of you that have been feeling a little down lately

[motoman247]

My mistake was reading through the whole thread, seeing the comment that was something like "all Yankees can burn in hell"(paraphrased, I don't remember exactly), and when I started to respond, most of what I said ended up responding to that. That was my mistake, as I responded to @fieldgrade .

This is not the first thread that has evolved/devolved into blaming many the ills of this state (NC) on people from "up north". Being from "up there"(OH), and adding the fact that I am more self-reliant and liberty minded than most NC natives that I personally know, I carried baggage into this thread that I shouldn't have, and misdirected my response into a verbal death blossom.

My bad.

@motoman247, I have a small range on my property near Sanford (100yds). I suggest that we settle who is the better shooter once and for all, loser buys a 12 pack of beer for the winner (I only drink the good stuff, Busch Ice).

I understand there are always dicks that make comments like that. No hard feelings from me. But you hate people trash talking the north, we hate it when people trash talk ole Dixie, and that's what this thread was originally about, the South has had a lot of misguided hate recently and we needed a little pick me up thread.


I am a PBR drinker myself, what kind of competition you thinking? And I will respond in the morning getting some sleep

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[motoman247]

WHAT? PBR? That is SOOOO Yankee.

Check my original response I did give Yankees credit for beer and food

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[Mattyb]

I actually don't care if people trash talk the North. I only have issue with folks blaming the problems of their state on "Yankees" when, according to @toddje , it has been run by Democrats for ages. My family moving here (all either republican or libertarian) has nothing to do with it. I see it as someone blaming me and my family because they can't keep their own house in order. If a group of kids start riding their bikes through my yard a week ago, but my grass has looked like crap for months, blaming the kids and their bikes for my dead grass is intellectually dishonest and doesn't address the actual problem. It's misdirected anger, kind of like my start in this thread.

 

[fieldgrade]

I actually don't care if people trash talk the North. I only have issue with folks blaming the problems of their state on "Yankees" when, according to @toddje , it has been run by Democrats for ages. My family moving here (all either republican or libertarian) has nothing to do with it. I see it as someone blaming me and my family because they can't keep their own house in order. If a group of kids start riding their bikes through my yard a week ago, but my grass has looked like crap for months, blaming the kids and their bikes for my dead grass is intellectually dishonest and doesn't address the actual problem. It's misdirected anger, kind of like my start in this thread.

This is a fair statement.

 

[Tailhunter]

So, I am from North of the Mason-Dixon line. I moved here with my family because Uncle Sugar told me so. That may change in a little less than two years when I retire, or it may not.

Upon moving here, I noticed that there is more government intrusion, higher taxes, and more liberals (born in the South "by the grace of God", so they say) than many other states, including where I am from "up North".

I generally leave this kind of stuff alone because I chalk it up to unsubstantiated pride, valor by proxy, false bravado, and a disproportionate mouth-to-ass capability ratio.

I am wondering what it is that makes "The South" superior? Help educate a "burn in Hell" Yankee on what makes it better here than above the Mason-Dixon, please.

You've been drinking again haven't you?

 

[OverMountainMan]

Fair enough. I didn't word that well. I had the whole "burn in hell Yankee" thing in my head, and that is mostly directed at comments like that.

As the author of that highly volatile post, let me answer your what's different/better question.

In general, there are two types of people: one type who prefers to be left alone in control of his behavior, and the other who seeks to control. Most people today, sadly, and regardless where they're from, seemed conditioned to prefer the latter. And that point speaks to @motoman247 's lament above. It's not that you're not from here, but that you and so many of your brethren have so much disdain for simpler ways, and are quite eager to show it. We (in North Carolina especially, I can't vouch for the palmetto state sentiment) feel very much the same about the Floridiots who love to tell us how "it's not how we do it in Flarda..."

When we say "here", we don't necessarily mean the geographical location, although there is reason to laud the geography, the weather, the magazine capacity, and the food. The here is a state of being, a mindset, and an attitude. Which simply prefers any ridicule you care to send be delivered from a great, great distance.

 

[OverMountainMan]

according to @toddje ,

Might not oughtta be considered the most authoritative source, especially "here".

 

[motoman247]

Yeah, but you can make the new guy buy you some of that Aviator stuff. Or the Fainting Goat. Or the Bombshell stuff... Or the Mason Jar stufff. You know, local.

Hey, I was going to keep the stakes fairish

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[motoman247]

I actually don't care if people trash talk the North. I only have issue with folks blaming the problems of their state on "Yankees" when, according to @toddje , it has been run by Democrats for ages. My family moving here (all either republican or libertarian) has nothing to do with it. I see it as someone blaming me and my family because they can't keep their own house in order. If a group of kids start riding their bikes through my yard a week ago, but my grass has looked like crap for months, blaming the kids and their bikes for my dead grass is intellectually dishonest and doesn't address the actual problem. It's misdirected anger, kind of like my start in this thread.

I do not think people should be blaming their personal problems on other people either, but if you vote the right way, see what i did their, then I believe you're fine, and Ohio isn't a dick state like new Englanders are famous for anyways.

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[Tailhunter]

All states elections are pretty much decided by their cities. Out here in the country we always seem to vote as conservative as possible but always end up with whatever Charlotte and Raleigh want for us.

I won't say all because I'll get the you can't do that lecture but most yankees bring their liberal, condescending, arrogant attitudes with them. They show up with their preconceived ideas and spout their prejudicial views of what the south should be in their minds. Guess what, no one asked you, first to move here and second for your opinions.
Keep that in mind the next time you want to change the place you are moving to into the place from whence you came.

Again if this is not you, then don't apply the above to yourself. Just assimilate and all will be fine.

 

[Tailhunter]

 

[The Green Heron]

and more liberals (born in the South "by the grace of God", so they say)

Just cause a cat has her kittens in an old abandoned oven, that doesn't make them biscuits.

 

[fieldgrade]

... but always end up with whatever Charlotte and Raleigh want for us.

Asheville, Triad, Charlotte, RTP, and Wilmington.

And it sucks.

 

[pirate]

We are a band of brothers and native to the soil


Fighting for our liberty, with treasure, blood and toil


And when our rights were threatened, the cry rose near and far


Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star!

Hurrah! Hurrah!


For Southern rights, hurrah!


Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.



As long as the Union was faithful to her trust


Like friends and like brethren, kind we were, and just


But now, when Northern treachery attempts our rights to mar


We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

Hurrah! Hurrah! 


For Southern rights, hurrah!


Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.



Funny not a single lyric about slavery........

 

[pirate]

Its true that cities have the population density, of course. I'd argue that the divide in culture between city and country is probably far greater than that between north and south, but anyway, it got me poking around to see how much of NC is really "old school" NC.

Interestingly, 42% of people in NC were born in other states. The Carolinas, Georgia and FL are now big ol melting pots.

Looks like Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and KY are the southern states that are likely to stay most southern (see the Philly link below).

The good news is there's a screaming good economy here in NC, despite our lousy state government.

.......and for the most part those 42% moved here to get a part of the good life those in NC have generally always had. The unfortunate thing is in far to many cases they brought a lot of the "bad" from where they migrated from. Bad manors, bad attitudes, bad politics, bad habits and bad intentions.

......as far as our bad state govment its the 42% that are mostly to blame for that! The vast majority of the 42 percenters are concentrated in 5 counties (containment areas)......remove those counties and NC would be a solidly and consistently conservative state. In 2016 Trump won 76 of the 100 counties in NC and 80% of the Clinton popular vote totals in NC came from those 5 counties.


....I was born and raised in rural Hertford and Halifax Counties, and have lived/worked/studied in Murfreesboro, Greenville, Wake Forest, Raleigh, Cary and Fuquay Varina, and my work takes me all over the state from the mountains to the coast regularly. In my 58 years very few here have likely experience as much of a cross section of this state, its people and its culture as I have. The only thing keeping me in the Triangle is my profession (consulting engineering), and the fact my grand kids live here but as soon as I retire I am headed downeast baby.....back to the "real" North Caroilna.

 

[OverMountainMan]

Skoal Bandit. MadBum. UCLA (University of Cullowhee, Left of Asheville), UCLA (University of Charlotte, 'Lizbeth Avenue). Eric Rudolf's hideehole. Major Lewis Redmond's. Max Cady's.

O, I'm a good old Rebel,
Now that's just what I am,
For this "Fair Land of Freedom"
I do not care at all;

I'm glad I fit against it --
I only wish we'd won,
And I don't want no pardon
For anything I done.

 

[The Green Heron]

as soon as I retire I am headed downeast baby.....back to the "real" North Caroilna.

I was kinda hoping you'd move to the mountains.

 

[fieldgrade]

@pirate I kinda get where you're coming from, but NC was run by Dems for 100 years before 2010, right? So you cant lay ALL the fault in the "containment areas" or the new folks...?

Look at the voting map from 2016. I'd expect those rural counties didn't get more conservative over the years. The metro areas just got less conservative. I misspoke upthread about New Hanover county (Wilmington), but during one of those "marriage votes" a few years ago the "conservative" rural counties were very much delineated from the "liberal" metro counties. The blue rural counties below are also some of the poorest counties.

 

[Goofyfoot2001]

When disparaging yankees, I ALWAYS qualify it with Liberal or Democrat. We here in South Carolina welcome Yankees to move on down, just not the liberal or democrat variety as that variety is very destructive to liberty.

 

[RFMan]

I'm surprised no one has used the term "carpetbagger" to describe the kind of Yankee that is undesired "down here." Also see "Reconstruction." Rural northerners are good folks, for the most part. I've lived in Ohio - some nice folks there, not in the cities. Totally agree with the (usually) rural vs urban, as opposed to southern vs northern.

 

[OverMountainMan]

Yeah... but we (even with all us Yankees in the mix) went full on Republican last go-around. Its only cuz Stam, McCrory and the gang wasted all their political capital on misplaced amendments and bathrooms (instead of financial improvements they promised) that we're not all R today...

The yankee will look to a politician for leadership, leverage, or blame. The Rebel, not so much.

I hates the Constitution,
This Great Republic too,
I hates the Freedman's Buro,
In uniforms of blue;

I hates the nasty eagle,
With all his brags and fuss,
The lyin', thievin' Yankees,
I hates 'em wuss and wuss.

 

[OverMountainMan]

Or you do. What I think about "letting it go":

"To recoil before an enemy, or to keep silence when from all sides such clamors are raised against truth, is the part of a man either devoid of character or who entertains doubt as to the truth of what he professes to believe." -Ann Barnhartt

 

[Windage-n-Elevation]

I grew up about a mile from the gentleman shown above. This statue was placed on the county courthouse's front lawn as a commemorative of the local boys who fought and died at places like Bentonville and Averasboro. Without the statues, plaques and historical markers of the OPPOSING commanders and soldiers, there is no gauge with which to measure the courage that these soldiers had, the hardships that they endured, or hard fought accomplishments that they achieved.

Yep...this statue depicts a Yankee in the 21st Michigan Infantry, though it could just as well be a Southren Rebel soldier. Ya' cain't memorialize one without th' other. And honestly, I've got more respect for those Rebel boys than I do the Yankees who fit 'em...the North had everything they needed to fight a war; the South, not so much. It took guts to continue a war for four years with limited rations, uniforms, arms, powder, etc. They could have easily just quit and gotten away, but they didn't.

I've been down here since 2005. Someday I'll be granted an Honorary Southrener Certificate. I think that I've earned it and without any effort at all...it just feels right.

The ladies of the Grand Army of the Republic in Ionia, Michigan embroidered a unit flag for the local boys to carry into battle. The State confiscated the actual battle flag, the regimental battle flag and several other important items from the war. But the unit flag belonged to the Ladies of the GAR and they fought to have it returned...and won. It sits in a glass display case inside the courthouse. That wonderful work of art also shows all of the battles that the unit fought in. And it means not-a-damn-thing without counterparts on the Confederate side. I'll try to find a pic of that flag that can actually be seen without the reflection from the glass case if anyone's interested.

 

[OverMountainMan]

 

[indie_rocker]

I'm a transplant from Michigan. Originally found myself here because of the army. After my service was done I went back to Michigan for a couple years. I've been back for a little over a year.

I enjoy not having a state level firearm registration. Another member said something about people here kinda just wanting to be left alone... Yep, that's me. Don't step on my toes and I won't bite. The people are friendly. I love the outdoors and the warm weather.

NC is my home. I don't give a damn if I was born in Michigan. This is where I am and I truly feel welcome.

 

[OverMountainMan]

 

[Tailhunter]

Oh, it ain't over, till it's over.

 

[OverMountainMan]

Every.Word.

 

[motoman247]

Every.Word.

beautiful.

 

[Tailhunter]

Every.Word.

Absolutely the best thing I've read in awhile.

Thanks.

 

[Chdamn]

Every.Word.

And he was right!

 

[Tailhunter]

And he was right!

True that!

 

[TheWallrus]

Every.Word.

 

[camara53]

I'm a transplant from Michigan. Originally found myself here because of the army. After my service was done I went back to Michigan for a couple years. I've been back for a little over a year.

I enjoy not having a state level firearm registration. Another member said something about people here kinda just wanting to be left alone... Yep, that's me. Don't step on my toes and I won't bite. The people are friendly. I love the outdoors and the warm weather.

NC is my home. I don't give a damn if I was born in Michigan. This is where I am and I truly feel welcome.

Yes, I agree me too, I grew up in Va. then my father retired and my mother wanted to move to Jersey to be near her family, but I always missed the South and never felt at home,now I retired and moved to NC because it has everything the South has to offer and great people, I too am a transplant, but NC is my home and Ive never felt so welcome and at home, I was and always will be a Southern country boy.


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[OverMountainMan]

There's a dream I keep having...

 

[IrishCannon]

Yes, I agree me too, I grew up in Va. then my father retired and my mother wanted to move to Jersey to be near her family, but I always missed the South and never felt at home,now I retired and moved to NC because it has everything the South has to offer and great people, I too am a transplant, but NC is my home and Ive never felt so welcome and at home, I was and always will be a Southern country boy.


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I love MI, but I agree. I don't think I could go back to it. Some beautiful areas, and you simply cannot beat the summers, but I just don't see the government rebounding for the better.

I have no idea where life will take my family and I, but I hope I can end up in a quiet area of the NC mountains. I suppose I'd be content out west as well, but I like the dense foliage here.

 

[camara53]

I love MI, but I agree. I don't think I could go back to it. Some beautiful areas, and you simply cannot beat the summers, but I just don't see the government rebounding for the better.

I have no idea where life will take my family and I, but I hope I can end up in a quiet area of the NC mountains. I suppose I'd be content out west as well, but I like the dense foliage here.

Yes, The NC mountains or a quiet shore town I love both areas,wish I was rich enough to have a mountain home and a shore home, I can hunt and fish depending the season, along with the other great things each area has to offer..I just love the county,I grew up next to a large tract of wild woodland in Va, so I played in the woods all day long,It would be great to spend my golden years in the woods next to a nice spring fed lake so I could sit and fish for sunnies and crappies, large mouth bass and catfish


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[SimpleMan]

This song usually kicks off the the festivities on the porch/shop on Saturday evening.



And this one in light of recent events.

 

[tanstaafl72555]

Damn, you don't want to create any national divisions, do you? You do know that the war is over, don't you?

The war of guns is over and the bad guys won. The war of competing ideologies of federalism v statism is ongoing. It is unfortunate that the federalism of the south got intertwined with the phenomenal wickedness of the permanent enslavement of a peoples based on melanin in the skin. I believe God let a great good be destroyed because of a commitment to an evil in the name of that good.

The real and ongoing evil that resulted was that anyone who cites the issues of freedom, federalism, and states rights is immediately smeared with the label of neoconfederate and the consequent racial virtue signaling.

Your replies are a case in point, here.

 

[SPST]

The war of guns is over and the bad guys won. The war of competing ideologies of federalism v statism is ongoing. It is unfortunate that the federalism of the south got intertwined with the phenomenal wickedness of the permanent enslavement of a peoples based on melanin in the skin. I believe God let a great good be destroyed because of a commitment to an evil in the name of that good.

The real and ongoing evil that resulted was that anyone who cites the issues of freedom, federalism, and states rights is immediately smeared with the label of neoconfederate and the consequent racial virtue signaling.

Your replies are a case in point, here.

Thanks for the diagnosis. But, I know white supremacists when I hear them.