Ford rating cut to one notch above junk

All that business mumbo jumbo. It can all be summed up like this...and I’m looking at you too, other manufacturers:

Don’t make boring, neutered shit and people will want to buy your stuff.

The end.

And they don’t even pay me to do this CEO-level thinking...
 
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I hate Ford. I own a grand Marquis and have owned Vic's. They're good cars but the paint on them is crap. Coming off everyone on my mercury. The interior trim is randomly cracking and breaking. Cheap ass car but the drivetrain is good.
I've never liked Ford, never will. Have a friend with a 2017 explorer, trim is creeking and popping loose. They're cheap junk.

Out next cars will be Toyota/Honda/Nissan
 
jmccracken1214 said:
I hate Ford. I own a grand Marquis and have owned Vic's. They're good cars but the paint on them is crap. Coming off everyone on my mercury. The interior trim is randomly cracking and breaking. Cheap ass car but the drivetrain is good.
I've never liked Ford, never will. Have a friend with a 2017 explorer, trim is creeking and popping loose. They're cheap junk.

Out next cars will be Toyota/Honda/Nissan
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I find this to not be the case with any ford I've ever had. My Vic was a 97 it held together just fine. My 07 f150 never had an issue with trim or anything else. I've driven some GM products with paint problems and a transmission issue. I bought a 98 explorer that was beat up with paint worn off. I blame that on how it was cared for.

I've seen multiple Chevies with large amounts of paint missing. I don't care about Honda, Toyota, or a Nissan. I have had great service with ford and I'll continue to drive them. Currently I only have two Ford's. A 01 explorer with 220k+ and a 72 LTD. The LTD is galixie with nicer interior, such as power seats. The power seats still work.
 
I've never had problems with Ford pickups, but haven't had much luck with their cars. We tend to stick with Honda or Subaru for the cars.
 
I've owned Fords, Nissan's, and Chevies, and honestly, they've all been good to me. None had trim issues, paint issues, or drivetrain issues. My 03 Mustang does have some faded paint here and there, but its also 15 years old and never been garage kept. At this point, that's just normal wear.

The only folks I've known who have had a lot of car trouble have tended to drive mopar products, and even still, I imagine a lot of that was bad drivers and bad maintenance.
 
Stock price can fluctuate based upon who cut wind...

Take a look at sales and return customers. I have had many used cars/trucks so I won't count them. Of all the new ones Ford has been the better.

1995 Chevy S10 - 50k, ball joints twice, bad mpg, sold for the Impala.
2011 Chevy Cruze - 100k, water pump under 'W', transmission maintenance issue, still have it, good mpg.
1996 Chevy Impala - 45k, A POS from the start, sold for the Jeep.
1995 Chevy Lumina - 80k, good car but not great, sold for the Durango.
02 Jeep Wrangler TJ - No issues, bad mpg for a 4cyl, sold.
15 Ford F150 (2nd) - 38k and going, no problems, very happy.
85 Dodge Durango - 90k, transmission, steering, mpg, water pump, A/C(!), sold for Cruze.
98 Dodge Caravan - 100k+, axles at 80k, needed heads rebuilt 5k out of warranty, left it for the Lumina.
07 Escape Hybrid - 90k'ish, good mpg, no issues, traded it for the F150.
 
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My LR shooting mentor and rifle smith both have Ford F150's made in the last 5 years. Both have been nothing but trouble. If I had to by a truck right now it would be a Nissan which comes with 100K miles warranty.
 
One notch above junk, just like the cars they build now..
Coming from someone who drove fords exclusively for thirty years, then came the 01 explorer, thanks to it and fords customer service, we don't care attitude, I now drive a Toyota,
 
rdinatal said:
Stock price can fluctuate based upon who cut wind...

Take a look at sales and return customers. I have had many used cars/trucks so I won't count them. Of all the new ones Ford has been the better.

1995 Chevy S10 - 50k, ball joints twice, bad mpg, sold for the Impala.
2011 Chevy Cruze - 100k, water pump under 'W', transmission maintenance issue, still have it, good mpg.
1996 Chevy Impala - 45k, A POS from the start, sold for the Jeep.
1995 Chevy Lumina - 80k, good car but not great, sold for the Durango.
02 Jeep Wrangler TJ - No issues, bad mpg for a 4cyl, sold.
15 Ford F150 (2nd) - 38k and going, no problems, very happy.
85 Dodge Durango - 90k, transmission, steering, mpg, water pump, A/C(!), sold for Cruze.
98 Dodge Caravan - 100k+, axles at 80k, needed heads rebuilt 5k out of warranty, left it for the Lumina.
07 Escape Hybrid - 90k'ish, good mpg, no issues, traded it for the F150.
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Of all the cars I've had, my Chevy Blazer gave me the most trouble. I drove it 190K miles. In that time, I had to replace the drivers side window motor, 2 alternators, a water pump, a fuel pump, front passenger side ball joint, and a heater core. AC went out, but I never fixed it. Door hinge wore out, and after a while wouldn't seal out rain. When I sold it, the computer was going bad too. Never a moment of engine or transmission trouble though.

My mother's old 98 Pontiac Bonneville is still going strong at 320K miles, and it has all original parts. I don't think that car has ever broken down.
 
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My truck at work is a 2011 F350 with 155k and no issues hauling around 9830 lbs of stuff. A 2018 F350 needed a new wiring harness at 400 miles.
 
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Have had 2 subaru's (forester & Baja) and a Honda CRV and none of them needed anything except regular maintenance till 150,000 miles.
Chevy & Ford cars are great to own if you enjoy replacing parts or walking. I enjoy neither!
 
Have had great luck with Ford's, not so much with GM vehicles. Had a 03 Ford Focus that had the dreaded 2.0 split port, that went 215000 miles, then sold it off. Still running today. Had a Nissan Titan that spent more time in the shop than on the road. Currently have a 02 F-150, and a 2010 Focus SES that pulls work commuting, with 111000 trouble free miles. No cracks or interior issues with either. They both have been great vehicles.

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I've had Fords, never had any major problems with them, still have a Ranger Pickup, had it for about a dozen years. It doesn't get used much but it is my go-to vehicle for pulling the boat, going hunting, going to the dump and other truck stuff. Always starts. The only thing I have ever done to it is put on tires.
Had an Explorer I bought used with 60k on it, I sold it with right at 250k, about a dozen years ago. Replaced it with the Ranger. In that time I changed an alternator and a starter. Nothing major. I still see it running around town every once in awhile. No idea how many miles are on it now.
I've had a pair of Bronco IIs. Had good luck with Fords.
The only vehicle I ever really had bad luck with was an Audi Fox Turbo. That was a shitbox.
 
After working on cars and trucks for over 30 years I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that Fords are junk , just one notch above a Dodge product.
 
Had a 1993 Wrangler that I bought when it had 75K miles. Put over 100K miles on it. And the money spent was all upgrades and repairs to to what I did with it due to the upgrades. :D That total was something over $15K in upgrades and repairs.
 
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Loss of market share, especially overseas. China in particular.
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I understand that part. The article quotes how many 100s of millions they are behind and so forth. 100s of millions is minor when you have a liquidity of 25 BILLION.
If as a family with outstanding debt of $5 with cash assets of $ 140.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
I understand that part. The article quotes how many 100s of millions they are behind and so forth. 100s of millions is minor when you have a liquidity of 25 BILLION.
If as a family with outstanding debt of $5 with cash assets of $ 140.
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That liquidity is what might give them a chance. They need to innovate and find their niche in the market(s). Clearly here in the US at least their going to focus on trucks. The retooling and development is going to take a lot of time and a lot of that 25B.
 
Their folks know a lot more than me BUT, back to the family again. If you or I saw someplace we were losing money [Europe] we certainly would not let our vanity keep spending money in a place that we got no positive return. Concentrate on the places that show the greatest possibility of return [China] and not worry about places that don't. The sedan market is a perfect example. An outgushing of money on a market that is showing no return. Do the same with regions also.
I have owned over 100+ vehicles in my life. I have owned and DO right now from the American big 3. Nothing has ever given me service like Ford products and nothing has given me a return on retail like Jeep Wranglers. My experience comes from owning NEW vehicles. I would never buy a USED vehicle and THEN use that purchase to condemn the entire brand. From my experience [in the last 8 model years 20 NEW vehicles] the worst cars being built today are better than the best ones 20 years go. When somebody posts that they bought a 10 year old vehicle and had trouble with it is comical to me. What did you expect?
Money is hard to come by. Buy whatever your heart desires in the market that you can afford. Just don't buy a used vehicle and try to base your opinion of an entire brand on your decision.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
Their folks know a lot more than me BUT, back to the family again. If you or I saw someplace we were losing money [Europe] we certainly would not let our vanity keep spending money in a place that we got no positive return. Concentrate on the places that show the greatest possibility of return [China] and not worry about places that don't. The sedan market is a perfect example. An outgushing of money on a market that is showing no return. Do the same with regions also.
I have owned over 100+ vehicles in my life. I have owned and DO right now from the American big 3. Nothing has ever given me service like Ford products and nothing has given me a return on retail like Jeep Wranglers. My experience comes from owning NEW vehicles. I would never buy a USED vehicle and THEN use that purchase to condemn the entire brand. From my experience [in the last 8 model years 20 NEW vehicles] the worst cars being built today are better than the best ones 20 years go. When somebody posts that they bought a 10 year old vehicle and had trouble with it is comical to me. What did you expect?
Money is hard to come by. Buy whatever your heart desires in the market that you can afford. Just don't buy a used vehicle and try to base your opinion of an entire brand on your decision.
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How many miles do you put on vehicles? Sounds like you don't keep one long enough to really see how reliable they are.
 
I usually own products that are in a very narrow market, so not a lot. My wife puts more miles on those vehicles than I do We usually drive about 20K a year but that is split between different vehicles.
I detect in your posts a bit of disbelief as to my original post. What about realizing the quality of any product without owning it for a long time? As you suggest my opinions are not based on mileage. I never said they were. Or perhaps you are just trying to be contrite? Spend your money just as you see fit [as I said above] buy whatever you like [as I said above] and for you, form your opinions by any scale you wish to apply. Good luck with your decisions. May they bring you happiness and wealth.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
Their folks know a lot more than me BUT, back to the family again. If you or I saw someplace we were losing money [Europe] we certainly would not let our vanity keep spending money in a place that we got no positive return. Concentrate on the places that show the greatest possibility of return [China] and not worry about places that don't. The sedan market is a perfect example. An outgushing of money on a market that is showing no return. Do the same with regions also.
I have owned over 100+ vehicles in my life. I have owned and DO right now from the American big 3. Nothing has ever given me service like Ford products and nothing has given me a return on retail like Jeep Wranglers. My experience comes from owning NEW vehicles. I would never buy a USED vehicle and THEN use that purchase to condemn the entire brand. From my experience [in the last 8 model years 20 NEW vehicles] the worst cars being built today are better than the best ones 20 years go. When somebody posts that they bought a 10 year old vehicle and had trouble with it is comical to me. What did you expect?
Money is hard to come by. Buy whatever your heart desires in the market that you can afford. Just don't buy a used vehicle and try to base your opinion of an entire brand on your decision.
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I don't know if Ford is losing money in Europe. Whenever we go over there Fords are everywhere. Little Ford models that aren't available here, but still Ford.
 
Jerzsubbie said:
I’m calling BS because you failed to and should know better. Kia and Buick rated above Honda & Toyota? LOL!!! That’s why JD Power is a joke.
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30 yrs plus in the business, and as of late, I too see Kia and Buicks above Honda and Toyota.

Kia is not to be joked with anymore in the last few years. Buick has been a solid vehicle for years. Honda and Toyota, still a very good choice, are not what they used to be.
 
Mike Overlay said:
30 yrs plus in the business, and as of late, I too see Kia and Buicks above Honda and Toyota.

Kia is not to be joked with anymore in the last few years. Buick has been a solid vehicle for years. Honda and Toyota, still a very good choice, are not what they used to be.
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Wow, never would have guessed that! Still don't really believe it but I'll take your word.
 
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