Four men arrested after body found in car trunk

Cowboy said:
That's why I said they better have done it by the book of farb (Arrest,search, and investigation of North Carolina by Robert L. Farb) The most boring man on planet earth. Because IF they didn't have any reason to search the defense attorney will find it and the entire case would hinge on the stop.
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A suspect's verbal consent, especially recorded on body cam, will trump any 4/5A claim. A cop can ask to search your car just like I can ask to search your car. Just like anybody at a party can let the cops in the front door and everything they find is fair game. Hell, after Salinas v TX, a cop could probably just say "hey, I'm sure you wouldn't mind if i popped your trunk for you and looked inside. You'd say not to look if you didn't want me to, right?" and "interpret" your silence as consent.
 
Jerzsubbie said:
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On a serious note, I’ve always found sociology interesting and weird names like this are something I just don’t understand. There has to be some good sociology and/or psychology around giving children abnormal names. But I hate it for the kids. Some may think its cool to be different and funny to see people stumble trying to pronounce your name, but there are real costs to this.

I recall seeing a study where they sent out the same exact resume to various companies but one with John Smith and one with something like the above names. The abnormal name got significantly fewer call backs. If "not putting your kid behind the 8 ball" isn't reason enough to give your kid a normal name, idk what to tell these people.
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Agreed. And I smdh at the ones who think different spelling is charming.
Ex; Charrie.
Oh, how do you pronounce your name?
A; Sherry.
 
Jerzsubbie said:
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On a serious note, I’ve always found sociology interesting and weird names like this are something I just don’t understand. There has to be some good sociology and/or psychology around giving children abnormal names. But I hate it for the kids. Some may think its cool to be different and funny to see people stumble trying to pronounce your name, but there are real costs to this.

I recall seeing a study where they sent out the same exact resume to various companies but one with John Smith and one with something like the above names. The abnormal name got significantly fewer call backs. If "not putting your kid behind the 8 ball" isn't reason enough to give your kid a normal name, idk what to tell these people.
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I think you're right on this habit being detrimental, but what isn't in the way they breed and abandon? We moved from Texas to LI NY when I was 16. Yankee teachers who lived there all their lives had a lot of trouble pronouncing some of the Italian names. I don't think they ever got a single Polish one even close. Thankfully they nearly all had Christian first names, but the surnames were short on vowels. You can shorten Reschovitch to Resko and change Jahanghir to John as in my wife's grandfather and father's case, but what the heck do you do with these creative novelties but pity the poor souls the handicap?
 
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With respect to this particular aspect of distinctive Black culture, we conclude that carrying a black name is primarily a consequence rather than a cause of poverty and segregation.
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It's a consequence?
 
BlackGun said:
I saw a show also with black people reviewing those names and referring to them as ghetto. The hatred for Christian and white people is so deep they make up names. Its hard to overcome that when applying for a job- black or white looking at resumes. People keep telling themselves stuff shouldn’t matter- but in reality it does.
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".... so they avoid doing it , and claim racism instead...."
 
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It's a consequence?
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I'd love to see the paper thin logic that links being poor leads to a habit of giving your kids idiotic names.

(in fact it ignores many generations of equally poor non-black parents who didn't find it necessary to name their kids "Jaymze" or "Lairyee" or Hozaiy or the like)
 
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but what the heck do you do with these creative novelties
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The same thing they do overseas... pick another. I received this introduction in Moshi: “Hello, my name is Ngdogobordi (I think...) but you can call me John”
 
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Why do you think it is worse for black names, versus families from India, Asia, or Hispanic countries? I work at a relatively small company and typical names of my coworkers are Rajashekar, Rashmitha, Ravinder, Sangeetha. But we also have seven people named Michael. I know my sample size is small, but having an unusual first name is on a level field with having a common "white" first name.

To say that "traditionally white (and repetitive)" first names is "better" is racist. It just is.

And to say that giving a child a unique or "non-white" name puts them at a disadvantage acknowledges or presumes widespread racism. It just does.

Read the study in the link above. Before I read that study, I also felt the naming choices put a child at a disadvantage. After reading it, I have different info. I'm not convinced the study changes my opinion, but I at least have a different perspective.
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It's not that they are black names, they're ghetto names. For better or worse, those types of names are intertwined with street crime and ghetto culture, employers act accordingly. Should we be able to name our kids T'brickashaw or Merzbow or Doctor or Apple? Sure, just like having neon purple hair, 17 facial piercings, and a forked tongue shouldn't disqualify you from obtaining a job in customer service, but perception is reality. Same as me reading your coworkers names and assuming the shared community microwave smells like warmed over dogshit.
 
I don't care who you are, what color your skin is, or how dumb or plain your name is.
Can you do the job?
Do you have work history showing you're more qualified than the others?
I don't care if your name is "white" or "black", because people name their kids whatever and it's not always a great indicator of anything. If you're good, I'll probably try to get you to stay. If you're bad, I'll want you to go.
 
Agreed. As a hiring manager myself, I know it's difficult enough to find anyone qualified for technical positions. One hires the best candidate for the job regardless.

Here's a personal observation:

I probably looked at 500 resumes my last year at work (2019) to fill 3 jobs. Two were software automation developer positions, and one was for a Lead RF test technician. While I got a ton of applications with Pakistani, Indian, and Chinese sounding names in the mix (about half, actually- most fishing for a visa extension ) I got precisely zero ethnically ghetto sounding names. Zero. If I had gotten some, and the candidate was qualified , I'd have hired them in a heartbeat.


Statistical anomaly ?
 
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I agree with most of what has been said here. However, I challenge the part about NJ Coming to NC. Them boys are NOT from the Garden State. Up thataway the newly departed contribute to the foundations of skyscrapers, go on archeology digs in the marshland or go deep sea fishing.
 
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I don't presume to think that folks outside of the Caucasian persuasion don't look at whites and assume stereotypical things either. I know they do.
-Can't play sports
-Walk like a broomstick
-Talk out of their nose
-Dog is a golden retriever
-Put food on the plate that you're not supposed to eat
-Charlies angels/Dukes of Hazard/The Flintstones

This never bothered me. I always considered it funny and not completely without merit. And last time I looked, it was still ok to think of whites like this.
God forbid though you should do this with any one other than white...

My whole life..I've always said and done that it's ok to be different..and most of the time no-one else cares.
But we can't be like that anymore. Now we're expected to acknowledge the differences, support them..even to a level of absurdity..and then if you do recognize that someone else is different and acknowledge it..you're racist/bigoted/homophobe/whatever/etc.
wtf.
So I gave up long time ago with that game and have resorted to my default-
I still don't care what you are, but only who you are. If you must insist on finding a reason to hate me anyways, I'll give you one.
 
These four standouts confirm the link between a bizarre ghetto name, low IQ, and horrible behavior. All too often it hints at or underscores repulsive lack of character and dangerous personality. Such children are cursed from birth even if they weren't branded. Indian names are real, traditional, and socially acceptable given to decent, normal children with parents. They just sound strange to us. Big difference.
 
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I probably looked at 500 resumes my last year at work (2019) to fill 3 jobs. Two were software automation developer positions, and one was for a Lead RF test technician. While I got a ton of applications with Pakistani, Indian, and Chinese sounding names in the mix (about half, actually- most fishing for a visa extension ) I got precisely zero ethnically ghetto sounding names. Zero. If I had gotten some, and the candidate was qualified , I'd have hired them in a heartbeat.


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The other day I was talking to my cousin about how few minorities there were in my old highschool, so I looked up where they're at now because I know demographics were changing some years back. I would not publicly (at work) admit some very obvious differences in demographics that any person with a working eyeball would see on even a brief review of the school teams facebook pages... It was downright uncomfortable that in this day and age, there was still such a very stark difference in "demographics" between athletic teams and academic teams.
Decades ago they made jokes on the fresh prince show about how Will would hide his school books in a pizza box so the other kids "iiiiinnn west philadelphia" wouldn't think he was a sellout for studying. It's sad that this is apparently still a thing. Bucket of crabs, uncle tom, off the plantation... there are a lot of ideas and theories floating around that subject that people really should just move past.

What I like about indians is that they still have a caste mentality in the home country.... but it seems like they all understand that if they can make it here and work hard, none of that matters anymore and they are free to work and succeed just like anybody else. but yeah, gujaratis are funny because they're usually still a bit stuck up here IME. their women though... yeah.
 
I like to delude myself now and then and imagine that bigotry and ignorance are fading away in this country. Thank you for the reality check.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
The other day I was talking to my cousin about how few minorities there were in my old highschool, so I looked up where they're at now because I know demographics were changing some years back. I would not publicly (at work) admit some very obvious differences in demographics that any person with a working eyeball would see on even a brief review of the school teams facebook pages... It was downright uncomfortable that in this day and age, there was still such a very stark difference in "demographics" between athletic teams and academic teams.
Decades ago they made jokes on the fresh prince show about how Will would hide his school books in a pizza box so the other kids "iiiiinnn west philadelphia" wouldn't think he was a sellout for studying. It's sad that this is apparently still a thing. Bucket of crabs, uncle tom, off the plantation... there are a lot of ideas and theories floating around that subject that people really should just move past.

What I like about indians is that they still have a caste mentality in the home country.... but it seems like they all understand that if they can make it here and work hard, none of that matters anymore and they are free to work and succeed just like anybody else. but yeah, gujaratis are funny because they're usually still a bit stuck up here IME. their women though... yeah.
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The lab I used to work at had several Indians working there. The caste system was alive and well among them. I felt bad for the guy at the bottom. He was abused constantly.
 
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Catfish said:
I like to delude myself now and then and imagine that bigotry and ignorance are fading away in this country. Thank you for the reality check.
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I think the past year is causing a resurgence. My mom asked me where all of the white supremacist groups have been during the BLM stuff. I told her that BLM was doing their job for them.

In another situation I had some black and Asian friends that used to refer to me as redneck or whiteboy. I told them that I was going to start calling them derogatory terms and they got upset. Once I told them it's the same they stopped. Crap goes both ways, but as others have said whites are just expected to put up with it.
 
In that “black name” experiment mentioned above, the sponsors went to the HR directors of large corporations and asked if they could submit bogus resumes. The HR directors were glad to participate, because they thought their resume screeners would show how woke and progressive his people were by over-selecting the black names. They were shocked to find that black names were a handicap, and the black screeners were the least likely to select black names.
 
So the they killed the guy in the trunk because they had a screwed up “black ghetto “ name? The guy would be just as dead if they were named Doug, Bill, Ronnie and James! A thug is a thug but these idiots parents still put them at a disadvantage by naming them some made up name because it sounded black.
 
Let's try an experiment:

I live in a rural area down the road from some total POS folks. 55k lifted F250 parked in front of a 600 dollar a month dump of a duplex complete with car parts, children's toys, and trash covering the front yard and pit bull tied up outback. Guy that lives there is perpetually 9 Busch Lights into the day, will fight or poison the neighbor's dog at the drop of a hat, while his fat assed, butt ugly girlfriend yells out the backyard at the kids.

You probably laughed and realized you know a few folks like that.

Now imagine some dumbass sitting on a porch swilling malt liquor at 1 in the afternoon with a similar looking domicile and murdered out Charger, just as dumb and inebriated as the previously described POS with similar living conditions.

Undoubtedly a few folks are ready to roll out the R or B or I words. These are probably also folks that have never lived or spent any extended amount of time in these types of areas.

Trash culture is trash culture, the biggest difference being that condemnation of white trash culture is perfectly acceptable, while any criticism of black trash culture is verboten, even in places where free speech is supposedly celebrated.

I would be willing to wager big money that not a single contributing member here gives a good GD about a black man that goes to work, wants better for his children, and isn't a liberal shill. That's the American dream, and the folks most likely to condemn would be his black trash relatives that would accuse of him of embracing "white" (re: normal and successful) culture. I know I have a few friends that have certainly went through exactly that.

Whenever people are shouted down for condemning ghetto culture under the guise of tolerance and open mindedness, the real racism of the issue is conflating ghetto culture with black culture. And if normal "black" culture is simply doing your best in a legal capacity for your community and family, there really isn't much sense in differentiating it from "white" culture.

Hell, even the liberals that wrote this sketch were on point with their analysis:
 
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Hammer12b said:
So the they killed the guy in the trunk because they had a screwed up “black ghetto “ name? The guy would be just as dead if they were named Doug, Bill, Ronnie and James! A thug is a thug but these idiots parents still put them at a disadvantage by naming them some made up name because it sounded black.
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For the sake of staying on topic, you are correct. A thug is a thug, and the biggest crooks in my lifetime have had names like Bill, Bernie, Joe, and Hillary. Not Ja’Wuan, or Lil’p-nut.

But as a rule, I have noted in my professional career there are very few “ghetto” names as they were labeled. If I were to take a stab in the dark, it is my assumption that a parent that wants to name their child something so atrocious is doing so for their own amusement and not thinking of what is best for their child. My wife and I actually discussed what our kids names would sound like if they were in a meeting in 20-30 years to make sure they sounded appropriate. So parents who are naming children completely out of their own vanity are probably not well suited to make future decisions on that child’s behalf. Which would no doubt lead to behavioral issues.


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Let's try an experiment:

I live in a rural area down the road from some total POS folks. 55k lifted F250 parked in front of a 600 dollar a month dump of a duplex complete with car parts, children's toys, and trash covering the front yard and pit bull tied up outback. Guy that lives there is perpetually 9 Busch Lights into the day, will fight or poison the neighbors dog at the drop of a hat, while his fat assed, but ugly girlfriend yells out the backyard at the kids.

You probably laughed and realized you know a few folks like that.

Now imagine some dumbass sitting on a porch swilling malt liquor at 1 in the afternoon with a similar looking domicile and murdered out Charger, just as dumb and inebriated as the previous described POS with similar living conditions.

Undoubtedly a few folks are ready to roll out the R or B or I words. These are probably also folks that have never lived or spent any extended amount of time in these types of areas.

Trash culture is trash culture, the biggest difference being that condemnation of white trash culture is perfectly acceptable, while any criticism of black trash culture is verboten, even in places where free speech is supposedly celebrated.

I would be willing to wager big money that not a single contributing member here gives a good GD about a black man that goes to work, wants better for his children, and isn't a liberal shill. That's the American dream, and the folks most likely to condemn would be his black trash relatives that would accuse of him of embracing "white" (re: normal and successful) culture. I know I have a few friends that have certainly went through exactly that.

Whenever people are shouted down for condemning ghetto culture under the guise of tolerance and open mindedness, the real racism of the issue is conflating ghetto culture with black culture. And if normal "black" culture is simply doing your best in a legal capacity for your community and family, there really isn't much sense in differentiating it from "white" culture.

Hell, even the liberals that wrote this sketch were on point with their analysis:
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I'm not a racist. I'm a culturist.
 
ChickenHawk said:
The labI used to work at had several Indians working there. The caste system was alive and well among them. I felt bad for the guy at the bottom. He was abused constantly.
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A previous place I worked used a large contingent of Indian software developers. One was a female and I forget the exact details but ti was clear to us that the rest of the team used to berate her and put her down constantly. The thing was that she was one of the better skilled ones and both I and another domestic engineer requested her for our projects, which put a stop to some of the obvious treatment.

As far as the ghetto names go, I see it as a sign that the parents want to make the negative aspects of ghetto culture and race / racial issues a front and center part of their child's upbringing. These are not something that any employer is going to want to bring into the office. While this doesn't mean that applications or resumes will get circular filed because of it, but all other things being equal it will be a negative on the scoring. As was said above, foreign, e.g. Asian and Indian names do not have the same connotation and cultural association.
 
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The Indian caste thing is intense. I've seen the ugly side a few times. It's beyond racist.
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can be. but even for low caste people, over their money here is just as green and they can party and do better here than they would back there.
I've also seen some northern indian folks just plain hate on southern indian folks just for geography alone.
They're a strange bunch.
 
Northern India and what is now Pakistan were Muslim so Europeans, being Christian, felt more comfortable with them than the wild Hindus with all their voluptuous and sensual goddesses. My daughter's boyfriend had so many degrees and businesses, worked all the time. His goal was to make more money than all his family combined. Never met the guy. It didn't work out. They are very complexion conscious. The blacker ones tend to be lower caste, so "light wheatish" skin is preferred, as in the movie Meet the Patels, by a Chapel Hill kid who married a red head Irish girl instead. Lower caste don't get over here generally, from what little I know...
 
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Just adding to the "trash culture" discussion above. You can find trash in any color neighborhood. I live in a lower middle class neighborhood, and we've got white, black, indian, and mexican all living on one street. The only 'trash' on my street is a young 20-something white boy who is a petty thief and small time drug dealer. Local cops know him by name. Everyone else is pretty good.

As far as "trashy" names, you find them in every color too. You get weirdly spelled "ethnic" names in the black culture, and you get kids named after WWE wrestlers and Western movies in the white culture. When I was a young man, every white trash neighborhood had a dozen little boys named "Steve Austin". Their fathers were often named "John Wayne" and their older brothers "Hank William".
 
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When I was a young man, every white trash neighborhood had a dozen little boys named "Steve Austin". Their fathers were often named "John Wayne" and their older brothers "Hank William".
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They know that Steve, John, and Hank are all short/nick names, right? right?
 
RedneckFur said:
Just adding to the "trash culture" discussion above. You can find trash in any color neighborhood. I live in a lower middle class neighborhood, and we've got white, black, indian, and mexican all living on one street. The only 'trash' on my street is a young 20-something white boy who is a petty thief and small time drug dealer. Local cops know him by name. Everyone else is pretty good.

As far as "trashy" names, you find them in every color too. You get weirdly spelled "ethnic" names in the black culture, and you get kids named after WWE wrestlers and Western movies in the white culture. When I was a young man, every white trash neighborhood had a dozen little boys named "Steve Austin". Their fathers were often named "John Wayne" and their older brothers "Hank William".
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In small, rural towns, you can usually identify trash by surname, as it's usually a white trash blood line that goes back a few decades.

Having been a teacher, there were definitely names that I could surmise would be problems, and quite often, any boy that shared a name of a firearm brand or western city/state was going to be a pain in the ass.
 
There's an Indian in our office. I don't what caste means, but I routinely bludgeon his vegetarian ass with my words.

He's finally starting to talk back at me. I'm so proud of his progress.
 
Boy this thread went off the rails. The perps were to have been arraigned last Wednesday but I cant find anything about it, My google foo is weak this a.m.
 
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