Georgia shooting of a black man

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  1. Variable

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    The father (who was involved) was an investigator for the courts. A couple of judges had to recuse themselves. The last one indicated the the men had a right to "defend" themselves. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. Could be a powder keg, with the way things are going.

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  3. rdinatal

    rdinatal Better late then never...

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    Not able to see the video. If it went down like the article, then they did not defend themselves. They went hunting.
     
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    Here's all I've seen. The video leaves a lot to be desired.

     
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    Exactly the way I read it. No reason to go out looking for this guy. I don't care if you're retired LEO or not.
     
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    The video doesn't shed any light. It's a car rolling up on the scene as the trigger gets pulled. You see two men on their feet fighting over a shotgun with a third man watching from the bed of a nearby truck. You also hear two reports.

    If the article is factual and complete (are they ever?) the McMichaels should be in jail right now. But they haven't been charged, suggesting there's something we have not been told.

    The author would have me fill in that gap with a fabrication, but I don't think I will.
     
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    That's terrible, and absolutely disgusting on the part of the McMichaels. :( It's outright sickening. Arbery wasn't robbing, he was jogging. I'd fight back if someone came at me with a gun too. I'd fight harder than I'd ever fought before. I would fear for my life, just as he probably did. Those two murderers, as individuals acting horribly of their own accord, deserve every sentence that judge and jury can throw at them. I hope they rot.
     
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    If I'm jogging and you want to "talk to me" "detain me" etc. with a shotgun in your hand without having produced a badge, I'm going to assume my life is in danger and respond accordingly. The only self defense I see is what the jogger attempted and failed at sadly.
     
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    Well evidently this happened several months ago and they haven't charged anyone. it blew up when they released the video. White guy in a pickup truck and one in the back, another guy following, roll up on a black guy jogging then gets out with a shotgun... This has a lot of overtones...
    If i was the Black guy, whose name is Arbery, I would think I was in immediate threat of death or great bodily harm. That is ground for using deadly force in NC. The white guy was instigating a fight with a deadly weapon. The ONLY person with the right to use deadly force is Arbery who again, is the victim and who is the only black person i see in the video. This is based on my view as a person who teaches Concealed Carry Handgun in NC. I don't know what the laws are in Georgia.

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    Analysis I've heard says Arbery was jogging/running down the road. The pickup passed him and stopped. As Arbery runs around the other side of the truck truck, he is confronted by the son with a shotgun. That's where the fight starts.
    To me the video isn't exactly conclusive either, but he was unarmed and they brought the fight to him. That there doesn't seem to have been any action at all against the father and son does seem a bit odd.
     
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    Well everything I know says you can't take just a video and make an entire case. But damn that looks like the entire case. These jokers are set for some serious butt stuff in the near future.
     
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    Looks like another journalistic exercise in race baiting. When the facts are presented the truth will look nothing like what the video presents, jmho.
     
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    This is murder. Full stop.

    They are not LEO
    They attempted to stop someone they thought might maybe look suspicious.
    They aren't LEO.
    They came armed and with weapons drawn.
    They premeditated the stop and coordinated with a chase vehicle.
    They were not themselves in any danger - they initiated the encounter.
    They are not LEO.
    There was no imminent thread of bodily harm.
    They initiated.
    They are not LEO

    SELF DEFENSE does not mean approaching someone you don't like, with guns drawn and detaining them.

    They are not LEO.
     
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    Several neighbors say he jogged that route every day.

    If it's like it looks, I hope they fry these turds.
     
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    What if they searched the guys home and found the stolen handgun?
     
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    Sounds like they are related to George Zimmerman to me. They should be brought up on murder charges. They went hunting for someone they had no business going after, just like Zman did. If the jogger had got the shotgun guy on the ground and started beating the crap out of him would it have been self defense then?
     
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    The dad is retired LEO and former court investigator. Still no excuse to shoot someone you don't want running in your neighborhood.
     
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    rdinatal Better late then never...

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    Are you friggin serious? Please explain.
     
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    rdinatal Better late then never...

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    Then he 'could have' committed the robery. Or at least received stolen goods.

    At the time he was confronted he was not wanted by the police. Nor even suspected. What is at his home is irrelevant to this shooting.
     
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    I agree! The truth will come out that a lone black man jogging saw a truck with two white guys in it, yelled something mean to them, to which the guys in the truck (in self defense) stopped and showed the black man their guns. To which the runner explaimed "TALLY HO LADS! A FISTICUFFS IT SHALL BE THEN!" and then attacked two armed men because, after all, cardio isn't cardio without a good ruckus. Then, fearing for their lives, the white man with a shotgun jumped out of his truck (awesome defensive tactic), and gave the aggressive negro what for!
     
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    So what you’re saying is... if they were LEO, it wouldn’t be murder?
     
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    What if they searched McMichael's home and found out he was cooking meth and sleeping with his sister?
     
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    Good stuff Booger.

    Defenders of these two.. Well that is a tough road to hoe. IMO the shooter should get a prison sentence.

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    Yeah not a dang thing makes me think this would be justified.
     
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    I think they all will get prison sentences of various degrees.
     
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    Oh, do tell!
    Im interested in hearing what you think about this
     
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    Ah to heck with it.
    A post like Old Nascar's shows me how some folks really feel.
    It shows they think this black man did something wrong and that the media is once again 'race baiting' because there's NO WAY a white man could be the bad guy in this scenario.
    It's BS.
    At this point it's obvious ON thinks the black man is at fault for running through the neighborhood and getting gunned down by these pieces of crap.
     
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    I still find it interesting that I am the only one comparing this to the Zimmerman case. I would argue that if there was any video evidence in the Zman case, it would look exactly like this.
     
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    I was gonna use a lot less words saying the same but yours sounds better lol

    fry their ass,
     
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    "They are not LEO" has some meaning in North Carolina, but possibly less so in Georgia.
     
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    Oh gosh please let there be another girl with an attitude and a neck as thick as my thigh...
     
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    A lot of folks are responding with righteous indignation about this incident. As it often the case, there may be a huge gap between what is right or wrong and what is legal or illegal.
     
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    that would not impact the fact that these guys were NOT LEO and there was NO SELF DEFENSE element in any shape or form. A handgun at the dude's home - even if stolen - is not relevant.
     
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    There are many who care only about due process when it serves their purposes.
     
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    Well, they are. Hell, even the title of thread is. Notice how you didn't see a single damn article in the news about a couple of black guys killing a white guy, even though that is statistically far more likely to be the scenario in interracial crime stats? The media outlets won't even name race when it's a gang of a dozen "youths" stomping the living hell out of an old white lady. In most circles, what I just said would be considered racist, even with multiple statistics and real life examples to back me up.

    The real racism here is the media lapping this story up and fanning the flames of racial prejudice because they know just how well they can control black people with hyperbole and rhetoric in this instance where these two straight up murdered this man. Meanwhile, how many black men pulled up and shot another black man in Charlotte in the last two weeks?
     
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    I see why you make that comment. But, no, it would not have been justified if the exact same sequence happened while the 2 asshats wore uniforms.

    My point in harping on the "They are not LEO" is to reinforce the fact that these 2 took it upon themselves to play cop when they had zero business doing so.
     
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    Let me make sure I understand what you claim:
    • police try to stop and arrest a suspect
    • suspect assaults and attempts to disarm an officer
    • while struggling for the weapon, the officer is NOT justified in shooting the suspect
     
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    No, it isn't, not even close. Zimmerman was attacked while carrying a concealed firearm. The issue there was at some point during the altercation it was a fight for the gun. Now if Zimmerman had attacked Trayvon with a gun in his hand it would be similar.

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    No i disagree, read the article, the people have ties to the court and Law enforcement, this happened three months ago without any arrests. The victims family lawyer released the video because nothing was being done.

    Does anyone know if Georgia has laws that would allow a citizens arrest and if so on what grounds?
     
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    yeah...so, not the 'exact same' as I stated. I don't think you can simply swap in uniforms as I suggested to make an equivalency. My bad on that.

    More to the point, we have no idea if the guys had been LEO what the individual would have done. He could have stopped and had a pleasant conversation and gone on his way. Or he could have attacked. We'll never know because 2 asshats with hero complexes decided they were the law, stalked, assaulted and ultimately murdered he guy.