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Georgia shooting of a black man
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Well let's be clear here for a second. There is a big difference between someone's home which has construction going on and a House being built to be sold. So trying to say it's wrong to go into new construction homes is not a felony and probably welcome as a way to sell more homes. I live in a neighborhood with lots of new construction and have been inside many of the new homes before doors had been secured.
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Yes I was trespassing on the builder sites. I like to see the construction and how the homes were built, wired and plumbed. Funny thing that a guy in a old delivery van would stop by and take the finished lumber at 7PM each night, 'Dixie Powerwashing' was on the sides of the truck.
Reckon I'm just an outlier here... ya'll do what you do.
NONE of the builders I know take too kindly to folks just up and walking around in and on their construction sites (they call the police/sheriff office often).
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I dont know a whole lot about this and I just heard about it today. I watched the video over and over again and this what I see.
Some guy running around the right side of a pick up truck.
Takes a hard left and attacks some guy holding a shotgun ( how stupid is that? I would take a hard right and run for the hills)
After a shot goes off, runner still engages guy with shotgun and is still in attack mode trying to hit him with his hand while the gun holding is guy is trying to retreat.
It looks to me that the jogger has the barrel of the gun in his left hand and might be trying to pull it away as he continues swinging at the head of of the gun owner.
Another shot goes off and the runner staggers a few yards and falls over.
This is what I saw.
Some guy running around the right side of a pick up truck.
Takes a hard left and attacks some guy holding a shotgun ( how stupid is that? I would take a hard right and run for the hills)
After a shot goes off, runner still engages guy with shotgun and is still in attack mode trying to hit him with his hand while the gun holding is guy is trying to retreat.
It looks to me that the jogger has the barrel of the gun in his left hand and might be trying to pull it away as he continues swinging at the head of of the gun owner.
Another shot goes off and the runner staggers a few yards and falls over.
This is what I saw.
You have to remember that there are issues with intent. In NC at most it would be misdemeanor B&E without having intent to perpetuate some further criminal act.
This is true.
But if you are caught inside, even if you were just looking, is prima facia intent to commit a larceny therein.
So it's illegal in NC, we agree upon that.
I cannot quote GA law, I have been told that b&e in GA is a felony any way you shake it, intent or not. I have not taken the time to researched the statutes which is why in my postings I have been very careful to word said posts as "depending on state law, may, and possibility."
There are lots of questions that the video by itself can't answer. A few questions I would have is as follows:
1. Is there actual testimony that this individual was actually jogging? Was this a daily or weekly activity that he did in this area often. I know just about every jogger, Walker in my neighborhood.
2. What communication is happening during this situation. Communication with 911, between the individuals in the truck, before they got in the truck, after they got in the truck. Communication between the suspects and victims according to all involved.
3. What's up with the person shooting the video? Were they part of the group with the guns? Did the truck pass them waving guns so they decided to back off and record it?
4. We know the shooters history to a degree with his job history. What's the victim's history like job, criminal record, education. That will be the first place the defense try's to hit. Is it relevant to the situation right this second, probably not. But in trial they will attack the victims character.
I'm sure there more but you lay out the time line with responses and you paint the picture pretty clearly.
In my neighborhood there are no tools or really anything left daily. So it would only possibly be theft of construction materials which could easily be ruled out in most cases.
I actually don't agree. I think the Misdemeanor B&E is very questionable at best in the situation. I have only seen one case of B&E of new construction charged in 20 years in the CJ system. But that was when the home was fully secured and the suspects crawled through a window. I think any company would say go in to any potential buyer.
All I'm saying is that a couple guys, drive past me, block my path come out with a shotgun, with another one following me....yeah. while apprently shouting they "wanna talk to me" ima make a grab for the shotgun too. Were I armed i would likely of drawn.
Running clearly didn't work, can't ignore them with actions like that... And with egress looking less than likely...fight or flight becomes fight real fast.
Running clearly didn't work, can't ignore them with actions like that... And with egress looking less than likely...fight or flight becomes fight real fast.
Ok, legal in NC (or at least not illegal), got it.
Its not acceptable behavior in my area. Like I said, ya'll do what you do.
I'm always armed when I'm out for my walks. Had that been me I would have done my best to take the fight to them since they'd already started the fight by confronting me with a shotgun. Nothing about their actions fell under the category of "I come in peace" and would like to ask you a few questions.
For those that aren't up to speed, the person filming was part of the group. Police had this video back in February when this all went down. Police also refused to show it to the family for what I deem obvious reasons. Word is the 3rd guy recently posted it to some questionable web forum and someone from that forum leaked it to social media. Rumor has it he'll be picked up to as he was part of the chase.
As for the excuses the two suspected killers gave, those reasons came after the fact and wreak of trying to create justification in my personal opinion. The young man was seen looking into a house that was under construction......not actually entering the house. FYI- people around here do it all the time when new homes are under construction and haven't gotten to the point of being secured. They also claimed they suspected he was armed after the fact, which really to me justifies why they should not have confronted him in the manner they chose. They could have just followed him and reported his whereabouts to police so they could do what the local government actually pays them to do.
My personal feeling is that this would have all been swept under the rug had the video not been leaked. For the record, I have zero faith in our judicial system.
We can wait till all the "facts" come out, but its gonna be an uphill battle convincing me that their actions were justified. Unless they just witnessed that man Kill, Rape, or Assault another person there's absolutely NOTHING you can tell me that would justify the way they chose to pursue and confront that man.
Anyone who chooses to disagree with that last statement I'll go ahead say that I'll have a very hard time maintaining any level of respect for you as a person of good or even decent character.
Colion Noir sums it up pretty good here.
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For those that aren't up to speed, the person filming was part of the group. Police had this video back in February when this all went down. Police also refused to show it to the family for what I deem obvious reasons. Word is the 3rd guy recently posted it to some questionable web forum and someone from that forum leaked it to social media. Rumor has it he'll be picked up to as he was part of the chase.
As for the excuses the two suspected killers gave, those reasons came after the fact and wreak of trying to create justification in my personal opinion. The young man was seen looking into a house that was under construction......not actually entering the house. FYI- people around here do it all the time when new homes are under construction and haven't gotten to the point of being secured. They also claimed they suspected he was armed after the fact, which really to me justifies why they should not have confronted him in the manner they chose. They could have just followed him and reported his whereabouts to police so they could do what the local government actually pays them to do.
My personal feeling is that this would have all been swept under the rug had the video not been leaked. For the record, I have zero faith in our judicial system.
We can wait till all the "facts" come out, but its gonna be an uphill battle convincing me that their actions were justified. Unless they just witnessed that man Kill, Rape, or Assault another person there's absolutely NOTHING you can tell me that would justify the way they chose to pursue and confront that man.
Anyone who chooses to disagree with that last statement I'll go ahead say that I'll have a very hard time maintaining any level of respect for you as a person of good or even decent character.
Colion Noir sums it up pretty good here.
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I think the story said one of the guys was once an investigator for the DA's office. I can't help but wonder if that and maybe what information he was privy to under that position was why they were afraid of prosecuting him?
While I can see no justification for this travesty, let me stress this, I see no justification for this travesty, one thing I can tell you is we haven't heard the truth from any party as of yet. One side is trying to cover their asses and the other is just speculating on what really went down and were not actual witnesses of any kind.
Such is the way of things.
While I can see no justification for this travesty, let me stress this, I see no justification for this travesty, one thing I can tell you is we haven't heard the truth from any party as of yet. One side is trying to cover their asses and the other is just speculating on what really went down and were not actual witnesses of any kind.
Such is the way of things.
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Some seemed to have missed the point that Arbery went to the other side of the truck, because the guy with the shotgun was already out in the road in front of him. So, he went around to avoid thev guy, but the guy with the shotgun came around to him.
That third picture is the moment of the first discharge of the shotgun. Arbery does not appear to be in contact with the shooter, although he might have contact with the shotgun.
That third picture is the moment of the first discharge of the shotgun. Arbery does not appear to be in contact with the shooter, although he might have contact with the shotgun.
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You have made up your mind and preemptively declared anyone who would dare to disagree with you to be a bad person.
That tactic certainly promotes robust discussion.
If I get arrested for looking in a house (again, Ive not entered a home under construction in over 20 years, since my early teens) I'll let yall know.
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Has anything been said about why the dad was in the back of the pickup?
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Has anything been said about why the dad was in the back of the pickup?
I don't understand why charges weren't filed earlier. I hope this does not become the kind of shriekfest that Trayvon did. I look forward to all the details coming out before I start ranting about injustice and racism (both clearly exist, and this case looks like evidence for both at this point in time), but this looks very bad.
All the average person wants is dispassionate justice and fair application of the standards to all people, or what we used to call the rule of law. When you don't get that, the blubbering wails of the social justice loons come keening in so that all else fades, and anyone who says "wait a second, let's wait for all the evidence" immediately is labeled a racist hate monger.
Lets hope that the reason charges have not been filed before now is either spotty evidence OR a justice system which has been paralyzed due to the Covid 19 nonsense. The courts are amazingly slow anyway, and inertia may be in full bloom (several justices had to recuse themselves due to personal/professional affiliation with one of the defendants). If so, a hearty apology for the delay will help a lot, but I think the normal media circus is going to rule the day here. This is just sad, any way you look at it. Equal justice under the law should be the goal. We should all pray (if you pray) that this would be the end result, and not the wild ululations and virtue signalling nonsense we have come to expect.
All the average person wants is dispassionate justice and fair application of the standards to all people, or what we used to call the rule of law. When you don't get that, the blubbering wails of the social justice loons come keening in so that all else fades, and anyone who says "wait a second, let's wait for all the evidence" immediately is labeled a racist hate monger.
Lets hope that the reason charges have not been filed before now is either spotty evidence OR a justice system which has been paralyzed due to the Covid 19 nonsense. The courts are amazingly slow anyway, and inertia may be in full bloom (several justices had to recuse themselves due to personal/professional affiliation with one of the defendants). If so, a hearty apology for the delay will help a lot, but I think the normal media circus is going to rule the day here. This is just sad, any way you look at it. Equal justice under the law should be the goal. We should all pray (if you pray) that this would be the end result, and not the wild ululations and virtue signalling nonsense we have come to expect.
If you kill someone, for whatever reason, dont the police detain you while they do some sort of investigation?
This guy shoots another person and never gets investigated?
This guy shoots another person and never gets investigated?
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A retired kinda-sorta-cop went out well armed with his son and another feller and confronted someone in on a public street. That's the original action which led to the death of the jogger. Without it, this would be a different story. It makes you wonder, "What were you thinking?"
The deceased made a fateful decision to defend himself instead of just jogging on. Who knows why, but it's one of the two options for the situation he faced.
All the rest of the information, for which we are waiting, will clarify things I'm sure... but what can justify the original action?
Even if the deceased was guilty of a capital offense that the retired kinda-sorta-cop had evidence and direct knowledge of, it is not justified.
The deceased made a fateful decision to defend himself instead of just jogging on. Who knows why, but it's one of the two options for the situation he faced.
All the rest of the information, for which we are waiting, will clarify things I'm sure... but what can justify the original action?
Even if the deceased was guilty of a capital offense that the retired kinda-sorta-cop had evidence and direct knowledge of, it is not justified.
Damn, my wife and I just walked through 2 new homes being built in our neighborhood yesterday. I'm glad some backwoods redneck knuckledragging white guys didn't chase us down and shoot us in the street. Although it seems to me that many on here think that that would have been perfectly ok.
Feel free to open a robust discussion with me where you disagree with my last statement? Feel free to show me how their response of confronting a man in the manner they chose with a shotgun was appropriate for anything other than them just witnessing him Killing, Raping, or Assaulting someone???? I can tell you now I would have responded guns blazing! I guess you be sitting here criticizing that response had it gone that way huh? I'm listening, so go ahead and tell me something to make me feel that their response should be acceptable to ANY decent human being???????
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There's a ton of being built in my neighborhood. I'm starting to RETHINK the times I've stopped by to take a look at them on my morning walk.
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He made up his mind because the suspect was black. I made up mine because the suspect has a moslem name. Appears were both racists!
I first learned from the Duke rape case not to trust my first reaction on hearing something I find outrageous(as in, provoking outrage). This was reinforced in Covington. That said, looking at the video, these idiots look guilty as hell, and if they are, federal-pound-me-prison awaits.
I've had several house stripped of copper during the rough in stage. Each time, I told the builder, get ahold of your insurance agent because you're paying for it.
And the insurance never covers all of it. Tack on several thousand dollars for me to come back and restore the work. To make it better, now the job is behind because I have to start over, costing the builder even more money and hassle.
If a lolly-gagger cuts themself on a nail you're probably not gonna hear about it. If they fall down the rough stairs and break a hip, the builder will be getting a call from a lawyer. He may win, but only after $2500 in lawyers fees at least.
You can tell who is in the house just looking around, and who's casing the place. So common sense rules. But every time I see strangers in the house, first thing I do is take their picture with the phone. If a tradesman sees you on the jobsite uninvited, you're immediately considered a suspect.
And the insurance never covers all of it. Tack on several thousand dollars for me to come back and restore the work. To make it better, now the job is behind because I have to start over, costing the builder even more money and hassle.
If a lolly-gagger cuts themself on a nail you're probably not gonna hear about it. If they fall down the rough stairs and break a hip, the builder will be getting a call from a lawyer. He may win, but only after $2500 in lawyers fees at least.
You can tell who is in the house just looking around, and who's casing the place. So common sense rules. But every time I see strangers in the house, first thing I do is take their picture with the phone. If a tradesman sees you on the jobsite uninvited, you're immediately considered a suspect.
Actually, I never said anything about his race in ANY of my responses. I only pointed out the holes in what we have seen this far and what doesnt add up. You brought race into it and as typical you re going after my post specifically with little else to add to the discussion which is also typical. If you have nothing of value to add to the intelligent and respectful discussion we were having feel free to sit on the sidelines. There's no need for ANY racist trolling in this thread.
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A lot of people are missing the fact that the shooter exited the vehicle with shotgun in hand. That small but important detail cannot be overlooked because it changes the entire direction of the events that came next. That's why I keep focusing on my point that their response was not appropriate nor legal at all.
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I tend to agree with this. Most of us have seen that scene in Boyz from the Hood...you cant outrun a shotgun. So the runner was really only left with two choices: 1. Put himself at the mercy of two armed men who's motives are unknown. 2. Fight.
Had he been armed and shot first would he have been justified? I think so because of the way they confronted him.
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They're trying to claim that they presumed he was armed since they believed he stole a firearm from one of the houses that were under construction. Who leaves unattended firearms on construction sites overnight, that's a new one on me. As my grandfather would say.....That's a Streeetcchh
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Personally, yes, in my opinion, were I jogging through a neighborhood and someone stops in front of me and rolls out wielding a shotgun, its "go time". They already have initiative and I am in the "catch up" phase. At the very least it would be time to clear leather and see where that big ol 12 guage muzzle moves.
Nah...you are seeing a lot of conclusion reaching based on a video, released police transcripts, updated reports, and additional information that is being released.
