Gifford's Gun Control group wants to ban "dangerous muzzleloaders"

If there’s ever a mass shooting with a muzzleloading firearm or with a bow then the gun grabbers will go nuttier than normal. Oh the humanity:rolleyes:
 
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This is pack hunters nibbling away at the periphery of a herd trying to pick-off the old and weak. A newer tactic of the GGs is to attempt to go after the fringe of the gun owners by seeing how much resistance there will be when they go after muzzleloaders, then cap-n-ball...gently casting a wider net incrementally....This should be reacted to in the same way as if the GGs were going after MSRs.
 
How many times have you held back from feeling really nasty about somebody and really calling a spade a spade? Well, Gabby... you recovered, now you feel that you must help society? Should have been brain dead.

See, I don't think this is her at all. I think it's her husband plotting his post-NASA career and using his handicapped wife for political purposes.

She strikes me as more of a puppet that does what her handlers have her do.
 
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That idiot that went on Tucker's show kept repeating the same script and was unable to argue his point beyond that. It was clear that the intent is to ban all firearms because criminals can use firearms illegally. Therefore the law abiding can't have guns.
Don't worry about cars and trucks. They will get around to them. They hate anything that allows people to be independent. If they could, they would do what China does. Set a registration/tax on cars so high that the majority can't afford a car. They think Denmark's 125% (formerly 180%) sales tax on cars is a great idea. That's why you mostly see a lot of luxury cars on the road there and most everyone else on bicycles even in the dead of winter.
 
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If I make pew pew sounds Gifford probably wants to ban this "lethal weapon".

I'm getting too old for this s**t.
 
This is pack hunters nibbling away at the periphery of a herd trying to pick-off the old and weak. A newer tactic of the GGs is to attempt to go after the fringe of the gun owners by seeing how much resistance there will be when they go after muzzleloaders, then cap-n-ball...gently casting a wider net incrementally....This should be reacted to in the same way as if the GGs were going after MSRs.

IMO this kind of stuff should be met with the ridicule it deserves. The best thing that can happen is to have everyone laughing at them.

See, I don't think this is her at all. I think it's her husband plotting his post-NASA career and using his handicapped wife for political purposes.

She strikes me as more of a puppet that does what her handlers have her do.

I completely agree. Giffords is being used as the respectable face for the gun grabbers to hide behind. Probably her husband, too. But at least she has an excuse, if brain damage can be considered that.
 
If they could, they would do what China does. Set a registration/tax on cars so high that the majority can't afford a car
Soon they won't need to.

In the same way the demonization of cash and the ascendancy of electronic transactions makes EVERY transaction traceable & taxable, so too will the "convenience & security" of self-driving cars eliminate the element of driver control from the automobile experience.

Control will come from Central Station.
 
Actually, If there is such a thing as a gun "loophole" this is it. Felons or mental cases can still possess, order, purchase or use a weapon that's just as deadly as any we carry and there is no law to stop them.
 
"My first pistol was a cap n ball Colt;
Shoots as fast as lightning, but loads a mite slow.
Loads a mite slow; soon I found out
It'll get ya into trouble, but it can't get ya out."
 
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No. Felons in NC can no longer own, nor possess any item that launches any type of projectile, it been that way for over ten years now.

https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-415.1.pdf
This section does not apply to an antique firearm, as defined in G.S. 14 - 409.11.

§ 14 - 409.11. "Antique firearm" defined.

(a) The term "antique firearm" means any of the following:

(1) Any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured on or before 1898.

(2) Any replica of any firearm described in subdivision (1) of this subsection if the replica is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition.

(3) Any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading p istol, which is designed to use black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition.

(b) For purposes of this section, the term "antique firearm" shall not include any weapon which:

(1) Incorporates a firearm frame or receiver.

(2) Is converted into a muzzle loading weapon.

(3) Is a muzzle loading weapon that can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof. (1969, c. 101, s. 2; 2006 - 259, s. 7(a).)
 
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This section does not apply to an antique firearm, as defined in G.S. 14 - 409.11.

§ 14 - 409.11. "Antique firearm" defined.

(a) The term "antique firearm" means any of the following:

(1) Any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured on or before 1898.

(2) Any replica of any firearm described in subdivision (1) of this subsection if the replica is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition.

(3) Any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading p istol, which is designed to use black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition.

(b) For purposes of this section, the term "antique firearm" shall not include any weapon which:

(1) Incorporates a firearm frame or receiver.

(2) Is converted into a muzzle loading weapon.

(3) Is a muzzle loading weapon that can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof. (1969, c. 101, s. 2; 2006 - 259, s. 7(a).)

I'm sorry Mr. Green, I failed to properly articulate the felons in question, that I was referring to, are those who have completed their active sentences, but have post release supervision to complete under DCC, or have been J&C'd to a sentence not requiring active incarceration, but requiring active supervision by DCC.

Once this supervision is complete you are correct in the contents of GS 14-409.11

Even though I'm now retired, I still get hung-up on terms & requirements of supervision.
 
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I'm sorry Mr. Green, I failed to properly articulate the felons in question, that I was referring to, are those who have completed their active sentences, but have post release supervision to complete under DCC, or have been J&C'd to a sentence not requiring active incarceration, but requiring active supervision by DCC.

Once this supervision is complete you are correct in the contents of GS 14-409.11

Even though I'm now retired, I still get hung-up on terms & requirements of supervision.
Tried to PM you but your profile didn't have that as an option.
 
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So....I acquired 3 new muzzleloaders today...NO paperwork...NO background check....actually my 8 yo and 10yo boys acquired them...I mean... this old man just HANDED them to a couple of minors! AND it all happened ACROSS STATE LINES!!!!

My God....someone please stop me before disaster strikes!
 
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So....I acquired 3 new muzzleloaders today...NO paperwork...NO background check....actually my 8 yo and 10yo boys acquired them...I mean... this old man just HANDED them to a couple of minors! AND it all happened ACROSS STATE LINES!!!!

My God....someone please stop me before disaster strikes!

Those pics confirm your status as "enchanter!" Good to see tradition moving forward.
 
No. Felons in NC can no longer own, nor possess any item that launches any type of projectile, it been that way for over ten years now.

https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-415.1.pdf

Read carefully:

This section does not apply to an antique firearm, as defined in G.S. 14-409.11.

and that says:

§ 14-409.11. "Antique firearm" defined. (a) The term "antique firearm" means any of the following: (1) Any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured on or before 1898. (2) Any replica of any firearm described in subdivision (1) of this subsection if the replica is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition. (3) Any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. (b) For purposes of this section, the term "antique firearm" shall not include any weapon which: (1) Incorporates a firearm frame or receiver. (2) Is converted into a muzzle loading weapon. (3) Is a muzzle loading weapon that can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof
 
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"Giffords’s gun control group released a report on warning of the dangers of muzzle loading rifles, along with a number of other firearms and gun accessories."

Is gun. Gun not safe.

Aaaaaaand...isn't that the point of guns?
 
Is a mass shooting possible with a 68 caliber smooth bore? Yes it is. One bullet could kill a few people. A well trained person could do it again in 30 seconds. A muzzle loader in the Vegas situation could hurt a lot of people. Multiple guns pre loaded with a person who was trained at distance shooting could have hurt a lot of people. Lets look at the entire history of mass shootings muzzle loaders in America. There was that mass shooting where a bunch of Brits got shot and a country was born in 1775. Then we had another in 1812 when we mass shot some more brits. Then in 1861 a bunch of northern aggressors came South and they were mass shot. Unfortunately the good guys don't always win. Sounds like the tyrant has a good reason to fear them.
 
.actually my 8 yo and 10yo boys acquired them...I mean... this old man just HANDED them to a couple of minors! AND it all happened ACROSS STATE LINES!!!!

That is so cool!!!! (OK now I am in ECHELON - again)

The old man is making life hell for Santa Claus!!!!!

Make sure they wear gloves and respirator when they handle the lead to load those.

I have been writing this for 15 minutes and this is all I can get on paper while keeping it PG rated.

What a bunch of dangerous dummies.
 
This makes sense if you keep in mind that they want to take away every means of self defense a citizen has. Cops don't know it but they'd be next on the list.
Yeah, the Japanese tried this in feudal times so the peasantry learned how to fight with farm implements, e.g. nunchacku, kama, walking staff, etc
 
Yeah, the Japanese tried this in feudal times so the peasantry learned how to fight with farm implements, e.g. nunchacku, kama, walking staff, etc

Tried it in the A-stan too til the peasants learned how to turn washing machine timers into roadside fireworks.

Winebottles and T-shirts.
 
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So....I acquired 3 new muzzleloaders today...NO paperwork...NO background check....actually my 8 yo and 10yo boys acquired them...I mean... this old man just HANDED them to a couple of minors! AND it all happened ACROSS STATE LINES!!!!

My God....someone please stop me before disaster strikes!

Winning at 2Aing right here.
 
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