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GRNC candidate evaluations just out

Discussion in 'Firearms News and Views' started by MadMan4Ever, Feb 15, 2020.

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  1. MadMan4Ever

    MadMan4Ever Sig-Sauer devotee

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    HMP Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    So which ones are squishy approved?



    In all seriousness, I am curious how previous candidates GRNC has picked have fared.
    Like, which ones did GRNC list as ones to vote for that turned out to be anti-2a etc. I got to thinking about it when you (MadMan) posted about the guy here in Davidson County, really curious how GRNC felt about him a few years back
     
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    MadMan4Ever Sig-Sauer devotee

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    You are referring to the traitorous Sam Watford in district 80, the man who cost us Constitutional Carry, and I suggest 2A stalwart Roger Younts replace him.

    No answer to that information, it’s not listed on the website so I don’t know.
     
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    bigfelipe Phil-osopher... Charter Life Member

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    They're all a bunch of crooks and rats...
     
  5. MadMan4Ever

    MadMan4Ever Sig-Sauer devotee

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    Some are worse than others.
     
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    B00ger Das B00G Charter Member Supporting Member

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    I agree...I would prefer hanging over drowning.


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    bigfelipe Phil-osopher... Charter Life Member

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    Lesser of two evils only slows the ride to hell... Best to just get there if you are going and start looking for a way out...
     
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    HMP Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    You dont recall, or cant get, the information from 4 years ago?
    I mean, I would think that you, a representative of the organization, would remember how people stacked up in the last election.
     
  9. MadMan4Ever

    MadMan4Ever Sig-Sauer devotee

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    I did ask, nobody is even sure if he had a primary opponent in 2016, therefore he wasn’t rated.
    https://www.ammoland.com/2016/03/2016-grnc-candidate-recommendations/

    Also, four years ago he hadn’t voted against us on hb 746 for Constitutional carry. :rolleyes:

    That was also before he got in a pissing match with Bill sponsor Chris Millis over HB 746 and also before he was overheard to say that he would’ve voted against the second amendment if it came before him.:mad:
     
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    HMP Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    Mad, Im just trying to see what sort of record GRNC has of grading folks, that's all.
    Obviously people change or go against what they say they'll do or not, but I was just curious how records were for GRNC to pick a 'winner,' if that makes sense

    Also, whether he had an opponent or not, politicians should still be graded, yes?
    I mean, do you expect us to blindly following a letter beside of a name? Oh, wait, dont answer, I know you do already.
     
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    MadMan4Ever Sig-Sauer devotee

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    What I expect, is that when unsure about a candidate’s 2A stance, the R is usually a safer wager than a D.

    As for grading candidates regardless of if they have an opponent, what part of “volunteer organization “ do you not get? Our lives require jobs, some of us have kids, housework etc.

    Certain members of the legislative action team live 2+ hours from Raleigh, some of us have major health problems. We can only give limited time, so we focus on that which we can change potentially.
     
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    I have to agree with them on Tillis and Trump.
     
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    So GRNC just guesses. Got it Dont rely on them GOT IT
     
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    I like how youve skipped the piece about your 'record' of candidates youre supporting/trying to get others to support.
    Ive searched, and, like you said, no longer on the grnc site. Unfortunate, it'd be nice to see how Watford was rated a few years back (yeah yeah, 'before he was against...')
    Same for others who turned out not so pro-2a
     
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    Guesses? Where did you see that? o_O

    Frankly, if we lose 2020, I’m planning on retiring from GRNC & giving up on 2A advocacy altogether. Then you & HMP, etc can jerk off over your “molon labe” stickers, while grunting “won’t get my guns”... blissfully unaware that whether they get your guns is irrelevant.:rolleyes:

    You may keep your AR’s, but you can’t take them to local range, show them to friends, sell them if you need quick cash, or leave them to your kids.

    You just get to hold them in the closet/cache until you die, then they are forgotten. The state doesn’t have to send JBT’s to every house, just a few. They will do it to one of you & none of the others will do a damn thing because it wasn’t them & they have work tomorrow.

    I’m convinced many of you hate me because I call you out on your bullshit. If what’s happening in Virginia happens here, you won’t start stacking bodies, you will just comply...

    GRNC is the only NC state group doing anything that isn’t a scam, but you are determined to run us down..:rolleyes:
     
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    What BS have we done?

    Is it 'running you down' if we're asking questions on the past picks by the organization? Are you upset (hell, I know you are) that Im digging into the validity of the folks you want people to vote for? I think it's a legitimate thing, what sort of track record do you, GRNC, have for selecting candidates.
    You post a thread here about a local (to me) guy and Im questioning where you stood on him a few years back. You can get salty about that, but I really dont care. You can say something like, "Well that was before..." but it doesnt change the facts

    Dude, you and GRNC claim victim status anytime anyone asks a question and, well, QUESTIONS grnc... How dare us, feeble plebs, question the all-great Paul Valone and GRNC!


    And, for the record, youre more than welcome to look at my wares - no Molon Labe stuff or whatever. Dont own anything like that, but nice stereotype of gun owners...

     
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    I usually ignore all the GRNC drama, but good heavens.
    Ask a valid, pertinent question, get an ad hominem attack in return. You're not doing your group any favors.
     
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    There is no 100% way to know if a candidate is truly 100% 2A supportive all organizations go by their past voting record and surveys that the candidate answers on 2A issues and we all know politicians never lie.
     
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    I agree it would be nice to know, but unfortunately sometimes there is very little to go on when evaluating these slimy bastard politicians and it becomes a crap shoot. They can, and do, lie about what they stand for especially when they’re trying to get their foot in the door.

    Speaking of which letter they fly, even that is not reliable. A friend likes to remind me of a state Supreme Court nominee and who is currently a “just us” that is a flaming Democrat that ran as an R just to get on the court and succeed.
     
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    I realize that, but, still, wouldnt you like to know how their record was before blinding following their guides? @noway2
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    @HMP ain’t wrong for questioning past picks or current ones. That’s being smart and doing research on someone he will or won’t vote for and not just taking some other persons or organizations word for it. The major problem and the one that makes organizations like NRA/GRNC look foolish is that they are dealing with politicians. 90% of the people they say are 2nd friendly are absolutely steadfast in their support right up till its politically expedient for them not to be. There is a lot of pressure on these politicians to “do something “ when there is a mass shooting and they will dump the 2nd faster then we dump a jamming Tarus if they feel it will keep them in office.
     
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    Sadly...this is just par for the course for our GRNC friend:

    GRNC: “Hey guys! Do this because GRNC says!”
    Forum: “Cool, but where is your research? Can you show your validity?”
    GRNC: “OMG We R volunteers! Ain’t nobody got time to do what you ask!”
    Forum: “No...we get it...but if you want people to do X, you need to show them that Y is worse.”
    GRNC: “I give up on y’all! You don’t even care about the 2A! You owe us everything and don’t know it!!!”
    Forum: “I think that’s wrong.”
    GRNC: “I don’t even know why I bother with all you losers!”
    Forum: “Maybe it’s because you insult us when we don’t fall in lockstep completely without all the information.”
    GRNC: “HAIL PAUL!”


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    Staff hat is off. This is my personal views


    You are the one that said yall have lives and kids and dont have time to research.

    As for why we dont like you Yeah I dont care for you one bit. Its because of these personal attacks and attacks of this forum.

    You said in another post you don't like this forum and wont reccomend it to anyone yet you come in here and spew off your mouth at me and @HMP when I ask a legitimate question based on your response.

    My personal opinion of you and GRNC is not good one. If you "retire" would help their image exponentially in my view
     
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    @MadMan4Ever Ive been thinking about something, you seem to have a poor view of the Molon Labe shirts/hats etc, do you treat gun show patrons worse if they're wearing an item like that or something? Do you still speak to them about your organization, or let them pass on by without saying anything?

    And when you say, "If we lose 2020...," who, exactly, are you referring to?
     
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    You know...I’ll try to actually be helpful...


    Mad...I do appreciate your enthusiasm for “your cause”. But you are representing an organization and it’s upon you to properly portray that organization. Sadly, you aren’t doing that. And responding to people who tell you so with snark and anger is counter productive to what you are attempting.

    See, negative reviews travels around the world at light speed by the time good reviews have even left the parking lot. For example, if I have a good hamburger for lunch today, I may tell my wife who is sitting beside me how good it is. But if I open the burger and find a cigarette butt stuck in it, I’m plastering that sucker all over the Internet.

    The same applies with what you are doing here. You have given a very rough representation of GRNC to many of us here. Intended or not, that’s the way it is. So as far as trying to garner support for your organization, you have failed. And that is your fault.

    So, how to remedy these issues:

    When faced with push back on your organization, you do not respond with snark or anger. Be professional. If you don’t know an answer, don’t attack the question, either seek the answer or admit you don’t know.

    Most here know that I work for a bank...I have been asked a number of times why we charge “horrid fees for stuff!” Sometimes I have a good answer, but when I don’t I admit it. I’m just a cog in the wheel. Saying “Beats me why we do that, but I can try to find out for you.” is far better received than “How dare you question the bank! We didn’t get as large and successful as we are by making mistakes! If you don’t bank with us then you just hate money!”

    So, take this advice for exactly how much you paid for it. If you treat “customers” like idiots, then don’t be surprised when they dislike your product.


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    Did he get the banhammer?
     
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    Well damn.

    He shared some good information while he was here. I hate he couldn't just ignore the obvious goading and pestering @HMP takes apparent pride in.

    It definitely brought out the worst in him.
     
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    Looks like goading and pestering to me. This is partial but chronological.

    But yeah, nice gif bro.
     
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    Looks like asking honest questions to me. Especially nice considering the guy had a history of disparaging remarks against the forum and its members. But you do you.


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    Oh...and you don’t get banned because HMP is mean to you.

    You get banned for proving to be an ongoing issue, a repeat rule breaker, a troll, or for openly disparaging the forum unapologetically.


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    Thanks for clearing that up mister helper.
     
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    well at least I found out I got RE-DISTRICTED out of all this. So long George Holding. I barely knew you.
     
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    You are welcome. Glad to help.


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    He was asked legitimate questions in this thread and others and acted like we were supposed to kiss his ass. Trying to lay the blame on someone else for MadMan acting like he did is condoning the way he acted. We’re not gonna stand for it but for so long.
     
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    This thread is done. Anyone who wants to take up for him can start another thread, or PM me. We aren’t gonna continue this pissing match.
     
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